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Prospect Info: 2020-2021 Senators Prospect Watch - Part 3
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DJ Dorion
yeah totally "disingenuous"...
Initially, I simply stated facts... Batherson and Brannstrom are from the same drafts, the first one plays a major role on the team and the second doesn't (not even on the team right now). If some posters are trying to find ways to discredit those simple facts for whatever reason or think that I am "freaking out", it's not my problem.
So with those simple facts stated, I never meant (or even implied) to say that Brannstrom is a bust or anything like that. But PERSONALLY, I am lowering my expectations a bit. I said before that I expect somewhere between a Enstrom and Krug level player. I am now forgetting about the Krug part and focus more towards Enstrom, who was an excellent 2-way PMD IMO and paced over 0.53 PPG 4 seasons in a row (two 50+ pts seasons). Since Brannstrom is younger at the moment than vs when Toby started, maybe he can have a longer peak.
I never said I couldn't be wrong on this but after all this time in the Sens organization, how he looked and everything (development path, etc), I'd be very surprised if he becomes a top player... People totally have the right to think differently.
If Brannstrom was a 2nd round pick+ and not the return for Mark freaking Stone, I'd have zero expectations but considering everything, I want him to be a good NHL player. Am I being unfair and disingenuous?
Edit : regarding the point if Brannstrom was canadian, he'd be in his 2nd pro season. Totally true and never said the opposite, doesn't mean he wouldn't have been able to play and even be good in the AHL though. Exhibit : look at Ridly Greig who looked by far like the best B-Sens player if those first few games (goalies excluded as they were the only reason it wasn't bigger massacres). Or other U-20 players in the AHL in this covid season.
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Alf Silfversson
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No offense but this seems like a bit of a weird argument.
Brannstrom has been very good in pro leagues since he was 18. He's been dominant in the AHL the last two times he's ended up there. Comparing him to Batherson (who has less than 30 games of being a big part of the NHL team) and is a forward seems strange. For one he's almost a year and a half younger than Batherson. Second he's a defenseman, who typically come into their own later.
Brannstrom should be playing regularly in the NHL. You could argue (and you kind of did statistically in the Wolanin thread) that Brannstrom is one of the 4 best D we have right now. But even using your Batherson comparison, if Brannstrom isn't a regular in 18 months from now when he's Batherson's current age, then maybe there will be more concern.
For now I think our coach just has a bias about what style he likes to play on D and Brannstrom is a victim of that. I'd bet by the end of this season Brannstrom will be playing well in Ottawa. To see the confidence that he gets from playing for Mann (who trusts him) is night and day with how he looks under DJ.
Fair. I remember quite a few people losing faith in Ellis as he stayed in junior
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I was not the one comparing Batherson and Brannstrom initially. Someone only said that Sens are bringing him slowly like Batherson. I just TRIED to state that they were from the same drafts (different argument) and it's been messed up ever since. My fault I guess as I quoted that post and it created massive confusion. After all that time on HF, I never realized that you have to entirely follow up on the post you quote
Maybe he should be playing in the NHL but also thought the same for Balcers, Chlapik, Jaros and Wolanin. The team just got rid of them for basically nothing. I'm not saying EB is on the same path (or that'd be kinda disastrous) but trying to give the team the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing. So based on what is going on (EB in the AHL), we won't see Brannstrom establish himself in the NHL before his D+5 season, which was basically my only argument, an argument that is apparently contested for some reason
And to be clear, the "concern" has never been Brannstrom busting. I have been pretty clear on that in the past and even "defended" him when people had no more faith in him. He's still going to be a NHL player and probably a good one. All that being said, I have lowered my expectations a little. Not the same as after the 1st year we got him.
And yes agreed with "DJ types"
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That's a good move. He will now be in the Hockey East conference which is far more credible. Depending on what his production looks like he could still earn his ELC with the Sens.
Former Sens prospect Chlapik scored his first 2 goals for Pelicans in Finish Liiga who lost 4-2.
Talking of Liiga, Jarvente and his team Ilves have not played for 10 days due to a Covid outbreak, they will have had 7 games postponed, there next game that is still scheduled is April 6
Talking of Liiga, Jarvente and his team Ilves have not played for 10 days due to a Covid outbreak, they will have had 7 games postponed, there next game that is still scheduled is April 6
I don’t think DJ has any bias against Bran, I think Bran is legit in Belleville to continue to develop his defensive game while being able to dominate offensively. I would be surprised to here that he was not an important project in the coaches mind. Both DJ and Mann have had lots of good things to say about him.
He just needs to work on his D and he’ll be great for us, which is what he’s doing.
He just needs to work on his D and he’ll be great for us, which is what he’s doing.
The major issue for me is simply DJ saying he will never play him on the right because he is a lefty. It's a big red flag, how do you know if you never try it especially as a young coach in a losing season. No player is the same. You are young, "fresh", your team is bad, be imaginative, it's the time to experiment.
He is an old mind in a young body, it's problematic.
The only thing i like about DJ as a coach is that the players are fighting on the ice and don't let him down.
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Alf Silfversson
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Sure, but I mean playing on his off wing will make things even harder in the d-zone, and his play in the d-zone on his strong side is already the only thing holding him back.
He can play his off wing on the PP eventually, but for now he has to master the fundamentals in his own zone, and playing on his strong side should make that easier for him to do.
I’m hesitant to pass sweeping judgements about the coaching staff with next to no information. You mention the only thing you like about the coach, and then go on to sum up an extremely complex set of group behaviours as if it was just one thing.
It sounds like it should be the other way around, as in you love the way the coach has the entire team playing on the ice, but one thing you wish is that they would try EB on his weak side for a change, while admittedly not having seen him in practice to see if he is even as effective as his strong side.
More like HF Sens know it all about everything from medicine to land deals, to legal ins and outs in civil and criminal law, all that on top of scouting, managing, owning, and coaching.
In reality there is lots of in between here. DJ is obviously not preventing EB from playing on his off side simply because he isn’t a righty. It would be reasonable to think that there are some real world hockey reasons that are specific to EB.
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1ST 0:22 #17 Ridly Greig (3) scores. Assists: #22 Ben McCartney, #19 Jake Chiasson
1ST 9:35 #22 Ben McCartney (6) scores. Assists: #10 Nolan Ritchie, #17 Ridly Greig PP
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1ST 9:35 #22 Ben McCartney (6) scores. Assists: #10 Nolan Ritchie, #17 Ridly Greig PP
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Me, Greig on my team: haha f*** yeah this guy
Me, Greig on the other team: wow f*** this guy
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Tkachuk and him on one line.
Formenton and Pinto on another.
Watson on the 4th. Kleven on 3rd pairing.
Going to be fun watching Sens soon.
Perhaps, but the best hockey I ever saw was when the forwards were not restricted to their positions and could skate anywhere at any time. That takes special skating abilities and high hockey IQ. It was the Gretzky line which Sather coached and modelled on an earlier line that played for the Winnipeg Jets (Hull - Nillson - Hedberg).
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