Prospect Info: 2019 Prospects PART 2

[wetcoast]

I'd have Jasek and Woo higher, but other than a few minor quibbles, I pretty much agree with your list.

The big question everyone's asking: will surprise seasons from Manukyan, Palmu, Gadjovich, Utunen, and Teves have them emerge into this deep top twenty?

I don't think combined the 5 guys you list play even 50 NHL games.

And deep top 20?

I only see one top pairing Dman, one top line guy and Demko who knows as opportunity can make or break any goalie.

I like some of these guys, like Woo who should be rated higher but even in my wildest dreams he tops out as a very good #3 Dman for me.

Every team has 20 guys on a list, this isn't a very good or deep list.

 

[Lindgren]

I don't think combined the 5 guys you list play even 50 NHL games.

And deep top 20?

I only see one top pairing Dman, one top line guy and Demko who knows as opportunity can make or break any goalie.

I like some of these guys, like Woo who should be rated higher but even in my wildest dreams he tops out as a very good #3 Dman for me.

Every team has 20 guys on a list, this isn't a very good or deep list.

Your sarcasm metre needs recharging.

 

[wetcoast]

Your sarcasm metre needs recharging.

You know there is an emoji for that right?

Probably serves me right for posting when extremely tired.

 

[Lindgren]

You know there is an emoji for that right?

Probably serves me right for posting when extremely tired.

It always feels to me that the sarcasm emoji spoils the humour (or attempt at humour, anyway).

Good morning. I hope you got a good sleep.

 

[wetcoast]

It always feels to me that the sarcasm emoji spoils the humour (or attempt at humour, anyway).

Good morning. I hope you got a good sleep.

Sarcasm in person tends to work better I find as I'm an extremely sarcastic person.

For the written word here the emoji only can enhance clarification as some "serious posters" often have posts that can clearly be taken as sarcastic even when they lack very little in reality.

 

[Lindgren]

Sarcasm in person tends to work better I find as I'm an extremely sarcastic person.

For the written word here the emoji only can enhance clarification as some "serious posters" often have posts that can clearly be taken as sarcastic even when they lack very little in reality.

All right, I admit that I think Artyom Manukyan has a good shot. I've got him pencilled in beside Pettersson in 2021/22.

 

[wetcoast]

All right, I admit that I think Artyom Manukyan has a good shot. I've got him pencilled in beside Pettersson in 2021/22.

Probably more likely than Tanev ever playing 70 games in a season again.

 

[orcatown]

Watched Focht in the tournament and he showed reasonably well. Got lots of time and played in all situations - PP, PK and lots of 5 on 5. Has good speed and decent puck movement through the neutral zone although had trouble completing plays once he got in the o-zone. Was good positionally on the PK and moved puck fine on the PP.

For a fairly late round draft, he showed he could stay with some the better prospects around. That said, only the very best of these of these players have a chance to ever see the NHL and Focht will need to up every aspect of his play to have chance. But even saying he has shown some chance is important for a player taken in the 5th round.

Utenen still doesn't show really any dynamic quality but he is his mobile and plays a very steady and smart game. Does a good job of keeping the play in front of him and reading play in the d-zone.

Saw little of Woo but lack of game time is a concern. You do wonder about upside.

 

[John Belushi]

I look at our prospect depth and see a team that ranks in the bottom ten in terms of quality.

The scarcity of even AHL-level talent astounds me, especially considering where we've landed in the standings the past few years.

Yet again, there are people who project players solely on their junior numbers and the facts are many of these players hit a wall once they move into professional hockey against men and teams that are there to win.

You'd think as a supposed scouting savant that Jim Benning would acquire more picks to unearth more gems like Gaudette or Tryamkin, but the guy has shown a propensity to play to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

Not going to start the whole IQ debate again but sometimes you begin to wonder.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Watched Focht in the tournament and he showed reasonably well. Got lots of time and played in all situations - PP, PK and lots of 5 on 5. Has good speed and decent puck movement through the neutral zone although had trouble completing plays once he got in the o-zone. Was good positionally on the PK and moved puck fine on the PP.

For a fairly late round draft, he showed he could stay with some the better prospects around. That said, only the very best of these of these players have a chance to ever see the NHL and Focht will need to up every aspect of his play to have chance. But even saying he has shown some chance is important for a player taken in the 5th round.

Utenen still doesn't show really any dynamic quality but he is his mobile and plays a very steady and smart game. Does a good job of keeping the play in front of him and reading play in the d-zone.

Saw little of Woo but lack of game time is a concern. You do wonder about upside.

I'm assuming that Woo's lack of game time probably has something to do with his recuperating from the injury he suffered in the playoffs.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

I look at our prospect depth and see a team that ranks in the bottom ten in terms of quality.

The scarcity of even AHL-level talent astounds me, especially considering where we've landed in the standings the past few years.

Yet again, there are people who project players solely on their junior numbers and the facts are many of these players hit a wall once they move into professional hockey against men and teams that are there to win.

You'd think as a supposed scouting savant that Jim Benning would acquire more picks to unearth more gems like Gaudette or Tryamkin, but the guy has shown a propensity to play to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

Not going to start the whole IQ debate again but sometimes you begin to wonder.

Do Canucks rank in bottom 10 in quality? Hughes alone makes team better than that.
Does your analysis factor in Petterson and Boeser playing in NHL?
Your only point could be depth of drafting, but then you bring up Tryamkin and Gaudette?
I wonder why people relate IQ to decision making and job performance of executives. It is very unlikely that any executive has deficient IQ to do their job. Though many fail for a number of reasons, lack of IQ is not one of them.

 

[Bad Goalie]

Do Canucks rank in bottom 10 in quality? Hughes alone makes team better than that.
Does your analysis factor in Petterson and Boeser playing in NHL?
Your only point could be depth of drafting, but then you bring up Tryamkin and Gaudette?
I wonder why people relate IQ to decision making and job performance of executives. It is very unlikely that any executive has deficient IQ to do their job. Though many fail for a number of reasons, lack of IQ is not one of them.

Dumb decision after dumb decision after dumb decision after dumb decision, etc., etc., etc. heading now in its 6th season. The 2 are related.

 

[Peter10]

I wonder why people relate IQ to decision making and job performance of executives. It is very unlikely that any executive has deficient IQ to do their job. Though many fail for a number of reasons, lack of IQ is not one of them.

The evidence is right there. See how the guy talks, the decisions that he makes, the very basic things he doesnt understand and you have very clear indications about the level of his IQ.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

anyone know any info on our euro guys where they are or when their season begin?
better call S_C

 

[The Iron Goalie]

anyone know any info on our euro guys where they are or when their season begin?
better call S_C

Season openers

Hoglander (Rogle SHL) - Sept 14th
Podkolzin (SKA KHL) - Sept 2nd
Manukyan (Avangard KHL) - Sept 1st
Utunen (Tappara Liiga) - Sept 13th
Tryamkin (Avtomobilist KHL) - Sept 2nd
L. Karlsson (Karlskrona Allsvenskan) - Sept 20th
Palmu (TPS Liiga) - Sept 14th
Plasek (Kometa Brno Czech) - Sept 13th

Does this help?

 

[Bad Goalie]

Season openers

Hoglander (Rogle SHL) - Sept 14th
Podkolzin (SKA KHL) - Sept 2nd
Manukyan (Avangard KHL) - Sept 1st
Utunen (Tappara Liiga) - Sept 13th
Tryamkin (Avtomobilist KHL) - Sept 2nd
L. Karlsson (Karlskrona Allsvenskan) - Sept 20th
Palmu (TPS Liiga) - Sept 14th
Plasek (Kometa Brno Czech) - Sept 13th

Does this help?

Do you know that Palmu for a fact is playing this season in Finland?

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Do you know that Palmu for a fact is playing this season in Finland?

Not for sure, but I figured I'd add him to the list incase he does stay in Finland this season. We should know in the next few weeks what the plan is.

 

[Bad Goalie]

Thanks. That's a similar thought that I have. I always list him as a potential forward on this season's Comets roster. He will have to have come a long ways since last season to be useful. Last year's player had bust written all over him.

 

[wetcoast]

Do Canucks rank in bottom 10 in quality? Hughes alone makes team better than that.
Does your analysis factor in Petterson and Boeser playing in NHL?
Your only point could be depth of drafting, but then you bring up Tryamkin and Gaudette?
I wonder why people relate IQ to decision making and job performance of executives. It is very unlikely that any executive has deficient IQ to do their job. Though many fail for a number of reasons, lack of IQ is not one of them.

The thing is that other teams also have excellent players from the last 2 drafts playing in the NHL as well.

Our prospect base isn't all that it was made out to be last offseason.

Sure we have some good young players but alot of work needs to be done here.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Season Openers:

Hoglander (Rogle SHL) - Sept 14th
Podkolzin (SKA KHL) - Sept 2nd
Manukyan (Avangard KHL) - Sept 1st
Utunen (Tappara Liiga) - Sept 13th
Tryamkin (Avtomobilist KHL) - Sept 2nd
L. Karlsson (Karlskrona Allsvenskan) - Sept 20th
Palmu (TPS Liiga) - Sept 14th
Plasek (Kometa Brno Czech) - Sept 13th

I was assuming Arvid Costmar would play for Linkopings in SHL.

OHL Opener Sep 19
Ethan Keppen, Flint
Arturs Silovs, Barrie
QMJHL Opener Sep 19
(none?)
WHL Opener Sep 20
Jett Woo, Calgary
Carson Focht, Calgary
AHL Opener Oct 4
ECHL Opener Oct 11

NCAA Opener Oct 4
Will Lockwood, Michigan
Tyler Madden, Northeastern
Jack Rathbone, Harvard
Aidan McDonough, Northeastern
Matthew Thiessen, Maine
Jack Malone, Cornell

S_C

 

[Lindgren]

Season openers

Hoglander (Rogle SHL) - Sept 14th
Podkolzin (SKA KHL) - Sept 2nd
Manukyan (Avangard KHL) - Sept 1st
Utunen (Tappara Liiga) - Sept 13th
Tryamkin (Avtomobilist KHL) - Sept 2nd
L. Karlsson (Karlskrona Allsvenskan) - Sept 20th
Palmu (TPS Liiga) - Sept 14th
Plasek (Kometa Brno Czech) - Sept 13th

Does this help?

Great post. I believe that Zhukenov will also be playing for Avtomobilist.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Consolidated List of Prospects

KHL
Dmitry Zhukenov, Avtomobilist (Sep 2)
Nikita Tryamkin, Avtomobilist (Sept 2)
Artem Manukyan, Avangard (Sept 1)
Vasili Podkolzin, SKA (Sept 2)

SHL
Nils Hoglander, Rogle (Sept 14)
Arvid Costmar, Linkopings (Sept 14)

Allsvenskan
Linus Karlsson, Karlskrona (Sept 20)

Finland
Toni Utunen, Tappara (Sept 13)
Petrus Palmu, TPS (Sept 14)

Czech
Karel Plasek, Kometa Brno (Sept 13)

OHL (Sep 19)
Ethan Keppen, Flint
Arturs Silovs, Barrie

WHL (Sep 20)
Jett Woo, Calgary
Carson Focht, Calgary

NCAA (Oct 4)
Will Lockwood, Michigan
Tyler Madden, Northeastern
Aidan McDonough, Northeastern
Jack Rathbone, Harvard
Matthew Thiessen, Maine
Jack Malone, Cornell

AHL (Oct 4)

ECHL (Oct 11)

S_C

 

[Lindgren]

Consolidated List of Prospects

KHL
Dmitry Zhukenov, Avtomobilist (Sep 2)
Nikita Tryamkin, Avtomobilist (Sept 2)
Artem Manukyan, Avangard (Sept 1)
Vasili Podkolzin, SKA (Sept 2)

SHL
Nils Hoglander, Rogle (Sept 14)
Arvid Costmar, Linkopings (Sept 14)

Allsvenskan
Linus Karlsson, Karlskrona (Sept 20)

Finland
Toni Utunen, Tappara (Sept 13)
Petrus Palmu, TPS (Sept 14)

Czech
Karel Plasek, Kometa Brno (Sept 13)

OHL (Sep 19)
Ethan Keppen, Flint
Arturs Silovs, Barrie

WHL (Sep 20)
Jett Woo, Calgary
Carson Focht, Calgary

NCAA (Oct 4)
Will Lockwood, Michigan
Tyler Madden, Northeastern
Aidan McDonough, Northeastern
Jack Rathbone, Harvard
Matthew Thiessen, Maine
Jack Malone, Cornell

AHL (Oct 4)

ECHL (Oct 11)

S_C

S_C absolutely rocks.

 

[wetcoast]

S_C absolutely rocks.

Wish our prospects rocked like he does.

That being said he have had some good hits in EP and Hughes but huge misses in Virtanen and Juolevi.

Also while Hughes has some outstanding offensive skills let's not confuse him with the next coming of Drew Doughty, there are going to be growing pains and limitations to his game at the NHL level.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

I look at our prospect depth and see a team that ranks in the bottom ten in terms of quality.

The scarcity of even AHL-level talent astounds me, especially considering where we've landed in the standings the past few years.

Yet again, there are people who project players solely on their junior numbers and the facts are many of these players hit a wall once they move into professional hockey against men and teams that are there to win.

You'd think as a supposed scouting savant that Jim Benning would acquire more picks to unearth more gems like Gaudette or Tryamkin, but the guy has shown a propensity to play to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

Not going to start the whole IQ debate again but sometimes you begin to wonder.

So a neutral site ranked our prospect pool 4th in NHL. Does that make you question your analysis? If you are that far off with this analysis does it make you question your own deductive abilities?