Pre-Game Talk: 2019 NHL Draft, Pt. V: Got your ticket? (Mod note in pinned post)

[Bitz and Bites]

Yeah, not saying the Canucks wouldn't pick Krebs, but so far there hasn't been a single report or mention with his name and the Canucks in the same breath. Like zero smoke there.

It is odd unless management has an inside scoop that another team like Edmonton or Buffalo have him in their sights.
I think Krebs deserves to be in the conversation with Zegras,Newhook,and Boldy as someone who could be available and would be a good fit.

 

[CanaFan]

It is odd unless management has an inside scoop that another team like Edmonton or Buffalo have him in their sights.
I think Krebs deserves to be in the conversation with Zegras,Newhook,and Boldy as someone who could be available and would be a good fit.

Agree he should be, given the boxes he ticks (high end skating, IQ, character, effort) and the fact that he can potentially play either C or LW. TBH while I like Newhook a shade more, I’m surprised the Canucks don’t like Krebs more than Alex. Seems like he *should* be more in their sights.

 

[0494]

Really wish we could find a way to get another 1st rounder.

 

[elitepete]

Really wish we could find a way to get another 1st rounder.

Markstrom.

 

[0494]

Markstrom.

While I agree with the optics of trading Markstrom, I don't want Hughes' first year to be in front of a rookie goaltender.

 

[The Drop]

Was bored so I checked the mock draft section. Why is Cozens dropping so much past the Canucks lately?

I think there’s zero chance he gets by Vancouver. I also believe size is going to be a factor if STL wins because GMs are dumb

 

[DonnyNucker]

While I agree with the optics of trading Markstrom, I don't want Hughes' first year to be in front of a rookie goaltender.

If we could lock up Markstrom for a reasonable contract over 4 years I’d prefer to trade Demko. Return may be higher

 

[Bleach Clean]

If we could lock up Markstrom for a reasonable contract over 4 years I’d prefer to trade Demko. Return may be higher

I would not think of trading Demko until after his play this year. Let's see what is there first.

 

[DonnyNucker]

I would not think of trading Demko until after his play this year. Let's see what is there first.

That’s totally fair. I just feel he is a bit overrated but no harm in waiting a year.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Agree he should be, given the boxes he ticks (high end skating, IQ, character, effort) and the fact that he can potentially play either C or LW. TBH while I like Newhook a shade more, I’m surprised the Canucks don’t like Krebs more than Alex. Seems like he *should* be more in their sights.

I don't think he "should me more in their sights" due to the difference in pure skill. Newhook is more skilled and makes creative plays at high speed. As a result, Krebs really wouldn't be in consideration unless the Canucks felt that both Zegras and Newhook would be off the board by pick #10.

That’s totally fair. I just feel he is a bit overrated but no harm in waiting a year.

How do you feel he is being rated, and where do you think he should be rated?

 

[elitepete]

While I agree with the optics of trading Markstrom, I don't want Hughes' first year to be in front of a rookie goaltender.

Maybe we could sign someone from FA like Mrazek?

 

[elitepete]

Was bored so I checked the mock draft section. Why is Cozens dropping so much past the Canucks lately?

I think there’s zero chance he gets by Vancouver. I also believe size is going to be a factor if STL wins because GMs are dumb

I like Cozens but I would rather get a winger like Boldy or one of the others.

 

[DonnyNucker]

I don't think he "should me more in their sights" due to the difference in pure skill. That would be the difference. As a result, he wouldn't really be in consideration unless the Canucks felt that both Zegras and Newhook would be off the board by pick #10.





How do you feel he is being rated, and where do you think he should be rated?

I feel we are all guilty of being too attached to our players. And with our prospects it’s even worse. Demko was solid in the A but he has been a mixed bag with the Canucks. His numbers collectively are fine, but he doesn’t seem calm and composed in the crease. Goaltending is 80% mental imo. Just not sure if he has what it take to be a number one. Hope I’m wrong obviously it’s impossible to say at this point.

Just feel Markstrom is proven and he isn’t too old to be a part of the next core. If a team was really high on Demko instead of Markstrom, it’s worth considering

 

[CanaFan]

I don't think he "should me more in their sights" due to the difference in pure skill. That would be the difference. As a result, he wouldn't really be in consideration unless the Canucks felt that both Zegras and Newhook would be off the board by pick #10.





How do you feel he is being rated, and where do you think he should be rated?

Depends what aspect of “skill” they are looking at. Krebs is plenty skilled, though his puck skills are a bit below Newhooks, but his vision and playmaking is at a higher level. Like I say, I like Newhook a bit more but I would hope that they are at least giving Krebs some consideration if Newhook, Zegras, and Boldy are off the board.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I feel we are all guilty of being too attached to our players. And with our prospects it’s even worse. Demko was solid in the A but he has been a mixed bag with the Canucks. His numbers collectively are fine, but he doesn’t seem calm and composed in the crease. Goaltending is 80% mental imo. Just not sure if he has what it take to be a number one. Hope I’m wrong obviously it’s impossible to say at this point.

Just feel Markstrom is proven and he isn’t too old to be a part of the next core. If a team was really high on Demko instead of Markstrom, it’s worth considering

Jacob Markstrom was 29 when he finally figured it out...I'm sure the 23 year old Demko will be fine.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Jacob Markstrom was 29 when he finally figured it out...I'm sure the 23 year old Demko will be fine.

He may be. Or he may not be. Development isn’t linear. Just saying that Demko may never reach MArkstroms level. There are no guarantees

 

[Bleach Clean]

Depends what aspect of “skill” they are looking at. Krebs is plenty skilled, though his puck skills are a bit below Newhooks, but his vision and playmaking is at a higher level. Like I say, I like Newhook a bit more but I would hope that they are at least giving Krebs some consideration if Newhook, Zegras, and Boldy are off the board.

It seems like you are leveling their overall skill level by saying that Krebs makes up ground with this vision and playmaking. Is that an accurate interpretation of what you're saying? If so, then I don't believe this to be true. I see Newhook as clearly the more skilled player. It's apparent.

Also, it's not likely that all of Zegras, Boldy and Newhook are all off the board. If such an event should come to pass, then Broberg becomes a more serious consideration (based upon reports anyway)...

I feel we are all guilty of being too attached to our players. And with our prospects it’s even worse. Demko was solid in the A but he has been a mixed bag with the Canucks. His numbers collectively are fine, but he doesn’t seem calm and composed in the crease. Goaltending is 80% mental imo. Just not sure if he has what it take to be a number one. Hope I’m wrong obviously it’s impossible to say at this point.

Just feel Markstrom is proven and he isn’t too old to be a part of the next core. If a team was really high on Demko instead of Markstrom, it’s worth considering

Player attachment or lionizing is a common team sport occurrence.

I think the way people think about Demko is how they have always thought of him. Meaning, recent play has not swayed opinion. He is still highly touted for his pedigree. I'm not sure that's wrong. Goalltending is voodoo. Who really knows at this point?

Contract wise, it's tricky. They should have had more information on Demko by this point. I would be very conservative in giving Markstrom a long-term deal simply because of what Demko could represent. Slow play it until you no longer can.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He may be. Or he may not be. Development isn’t linear. Just saying that Demko may never reach MArkstroms level. There are no guarantees

Agreed ,there are no guarantees..Markstrom was very highly touted when he was drafted, move ahead a few years..and he clears waivers..Reinvented his game somewhat, and is looking good.

In saying that, I think Demko looks great..a lot of poise for the newcomer ..and pretty agile for a big guy.

 

[CanaFan]

It seems like you are leveling their overall skill level by saying that Krebs makes up ground with this vision and playmaking. Is that an accurate interpretation of what you're saying? If so, then I don't believe this to be true. I see Newhook as clearly the more skilled player. It's apparent.

Also, it's not likely that all of Zegras, Boldy and Newhook are all off the board. If such an event should come to pass, then Broberg becomes a more serious consideration (based upon reports anyway)...





Player attachment or lionizing is a common team sport occurrence.

I think the way people think about Demko is how they have always thought of him. Meaning, recent play has not swayed opinion. He is still highly touted for his pedigree. I'm not sure that's wrong. Goalltending is voodoo. Who really knows at this point?

Contract wise, it's tricky. They should have had more information on Demko by this point. I would be very conservative in giving Markstrom a long-term deal simply because of what Demko could represent. Slow play it until you no longer can.

I’m not sure you can say that re: Krebs v Newhook. Newhook isnt *that* skilled that the gap between he and Krebs is that large, IMO. I like Kreb’s decisions with the puck better tbh while Newhook has better hands and a bit more goal scoring instincts, but I don’t think the gap is insurmountable by the other plus traits that Krebs has.

 

[docbenton]

I’m not sure you can say that re: Krebs v Newhook. Newhook isnt *that* skilled that the gap between he and Krebs is that large, IMO. I like Kreb’s decisions with the puck better tbh while Newhook has better hands and a bit more goal scoring instincts, but I don’t think the gap is insurmountable by the other plus traits that Krebs has.

I think the two players are similar, Newhook is more of a goal scorer, but both can skate and make creative plays and handle the puck. They're also inconsistent in their execution, which is why they're not top-of-the-draft players: they make sloppy passes or turnovers often enough that their effectiveness is reduced from what it could be. You might argue Newhook has a bit more creativity and speed, or that Krebs is a slightly better puck retriever, but the margins there are not big. Newhook coming in at only at little over 5'10 is a bit disappointing. He's probably been displaced by Broberg in my top 10 after further thought, with Krebs staying behind him in the mid-teens.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I’m not sure you can say that re: Krebs v Newhook. Newhook isnt *that* skilled that the gap between he and Krebs is that large, IMO. I like Kreb’s decisions with the puck better tbh while Newhook has better hands and a bit more goal scoring instincts, but I don’t think the gap is insurmountable by the other plus traits that Krebs has.

Logically, if Krebs' vision and playmaking was good enough to level the skill gap between the two, why would you have Newhook over Krebs? At that point, Krebs is the better overall player is he not? He would have the skill + 200 ft game + motor + size over Newhook.

The skill gap between Krebs and Newhook is large enough to be noticeable IMO. Better puck handler, better able to play at high speed, better shot, crafty passer in his own right, better creativity overall etc... That's what I think the Canucks see. The other tell to this is interviewing Zegras, who also has among the highest skill levels in the draft.

 

[lawrence]

I hope benning is trolling the teams above by expressing the interest in Broberg with misleading information.

 

[CanaFan]

Logically, if Krebs' vision and playmaking was good enough to level the skill gap between the two, why would you have Newhook over Krebs? At that point, Krebs is the better overall player is he not? He would have the skill + 200 ft game + motor + size over Newhook.

The skill gap between Krebs and Newhook is large enough to be noticeable IMO. Better puck handler, better able to play at high speed, better shot, crafty passer in his own right, better creativity overall etc... That's what I think the Canucks see. The other tell to this is interviewing Zegras, who also has among the highest skill levels in the draft.

Because I think that the things Newhook does well - skating, hands, goal scoring - are more valuable or at least more what I value in an NHL scorer. I just *like* Newhook’s particular combination of plus skills a bit more than Krebs, but I don’t think they are really at different skill levels. I think if both hit their upsides, Newhook will out-goal Krebs quite easily while Krebs will probably create more / set up his teammates more. Which in a vacuum probably makes Newhook a bit more valuable as a stand alone asset, even if Krebs might actually be the more valuable player to a team. Sort of a Matt Duchene (Newhook) vs Mike Richards (Krebs) dynamic.

Edit: I should add that when Krebs and Newhook played together at the U18’s along with Cozens, I didn’t think Newhook looked any more skilled or dangerous than Krebs. TBH I found Krebs was more noticeable with the puck and the significantly better (albeit a bit sloppy) passer. Given that’s the only time I’ve ever seen them on the same ice at the same time, that is forming pretty much the entirety of my opinion here. If the Canucks have a higher / lower opinion of these players from the BCHL / WHL seasons then that’s fair, I am only explaining why I see it differently and am surprised they don’t have more stated interest in Krebs. I’m certainly not purporting to have the same eye for talent as NHL scouts. However the guys at HP gave Newhook (who they ranked 17) a 6 / 9 for “skill” and Krebs (ranked 6) a 7 /9.

 

[docbenton]

I have Caufield and Newhook vying for that 10th spot. In general I care about how good somebody is at what they do well more than who they can't do. The concern I have with Cole is that his shot might not be hard enough to score from the circles consistently against NHL goaltenders. I watch his one-timers and wrist shots and they are rarely overpowering. Anyone else feel similarly? It can probably improve still, but if your resume is a goal scorer you better have the tools, and I'm not 100% sold on his shot.

 

[CanaFan]

I have Caufield and Newhook vying for that 10th spot. In general I care about how good somebody is at what they do well more than who they can't do. The concern I have with Cole is that his shot might not be hard enough to score from the circles consistently against NHL goaltenders. Anyone else feel similarly?

HockeyProspect’s blackbook draft guide does a great job of breaking down Caufield’s unique shooting mechanics. While board rules won’t let me post it verbatim, they attribute his shot quality to how quickly he elevates pucks and his ability to change the release point so that goalies can’t pick it up in time. Throw in the fact that he’s just so bloody accurate and always seems to put it in the one spot where the goalies body/equipment isn’t, accounts for his gaudy totals. I wouldn’t be too concerned about pure velocity, as I think he’s advanced enough as a shooter (I think he’s in the 1% of shooting skills) that he will adapt as needed to NHL-quality goaltending.