Prospect Info: 2019 Draft

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Kaliev is one of the most divisive prospects in a long lomg time. Like Josh Ho-Sang level divisive. There's some serious concern about how seriously he takes the game and his overall intensity level. Not saying i wouldn't take him because the skill level is undeniable.

Doesn't matter if we would take him. If that's true about him, I can't see any way the Canes would take him while still coached by Brindy.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

just read the preview of the article. the person who wrote it was pronman so im not worrying to much about it. Also EP isn't updated so he is probably just outside of the top 10 by now. seen a few saying 12-28 now for him. also Cole is going to be gone. now ranked in the 8-15 range by most.

 

[DaveG]

i mean his parents are rich company owners and his sister is a pro tennis player if i remember correctly but i feel zadina was also but because he had such a amazing WJC with Necas nobody payed attention to it. Also i haven't seen anything about his attitude to make me think that

I don't think he's a hot head or total attitude case in the sense that a DeAngelo type player might have been, but things like his intensity level on the forecheck are a red flag about being able to work in our system. His skating isn't that great but that doesn't necessarily prevent a player from being NHL level.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

There's no sure thing about a guy being "gone" once you get outside top 5-8 picks. Teams many times love a certain guy and take him even if he was ranked a few spots lower. Cole being so small could scare off a lot of teams so it wouldn't shock me at all to see him still on the board. Wouldn't shock me to see him gone either. McKenzie, which is a poll of actual scouts, doesn't have Cole in the top 16 for instance in his rankings from a couple days ago.

For reference, here's where he ranks in various rankings that have been updated in the last 2 months:

ISS (mar 6): 17
McKenzie (Apr 4): Outside the top 16 and listed as an Honorable mention.
Button (Mar 26): 10
Larry Fisher THW (Mar 6): 12
Future Considerations (Mar 5): 16
Hockey Prospect (Feb 28): 27
Scott Wheeler-Athletic (Feb 18): 11
Sam Cosetino-Sportsnet (Feb 13): 19
Dobber Prospects (Feb 6): 14
NA Scouting Central (Feb 4): 16

 

[FaulkYouAho]

I don't think he's a hot head or total attitude case in the sense that a DeAngelo type player might have been, but things like his intensity level on the forecheck are a red flag about being able to work in our system. His skating isn't that great but that doesn't necessarily prevent a player from being NHL level.

His IQ is extremely high and he also has one of the best shots in the class if not the best. but the way you are describing him is a "Holyier than thou" attitude.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

There's no sure thing about a guy being "gone" once you get outside top 5-8 picks. Teams many times love a certain guy and take him even if he was ranked a few spots lower. Cole being so small could scare off a lot of teams so it wouldn't shock me at all to see him still on the board. Wouldn't shock me to see him gone either. McKenzie, which is a poll of actual scouts, doesn't have Cole in the top 16 for instance in his rankings from a couple days ago.

For reference, here's where he ranks in various rankings that have been updated in the last 2 months:

ISS (mar 6): 17
McKenzie (Apr 4): Outside the top 16 and listed as an Honorable mention.
Button (Mar 26): 10
Larry Fisher THW (Mar 6): 12
Future Considerations (Mar 5): 16
Hockey Prospect (Feb 28): 27
Scott Wheeler-Athletic (Feb 18): 11
Sam Cosetino-Sportsnet (Feb 13): 19
Dobber Prospects (Feb 6): 14
NA Scouting Central (Feb 4): 16

if you notice most of these are outdated and most of the ones in martch are listed higher, outliers being ISS and Mckinzie

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

His IQ is extremely high and he also has one of the best shots in the class if not the best. but the way you are describing him is a "Holyier than thou" attitude.

Holier than though. C'mon I was simply pointing out that there's no guarantee the guy would be gone in the top 8-15. There's a very good chance he is gone by #15, but it's not a given if teams have concerns about him.

EDIT: Some examples is how everyone thought Fowler would be gone in the top 5 of 2010 and went 12th, or how DeBrincat was ranked anywhere from 15-25 (except by McKenzie) and went 39. There are plenty of examples is all I'm saying. I'm not saying he will slip, but I don't think he's a lock to go top 15 either.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

Holier than though. C'mon I was simply pointing out that there's no guarantee the guy would be gone in the top 8-15. There's a very good chance he is gone by #15, but it's not a given if teams have concerns about him.

EDIT: Some examples is how everyone thought Fowler would be gone in the top 5 of 2010 and went 12th, or how DeBrincat was ranked anywhere from 15-25 (except by McKenzie) and went 39. There are plenty of examples is all I'm saying. I'm not saying he will slip, but I don't think he's a lock to go top 15 either.

I think you read the wrong reply. I said that to Dave not you. i did say most of them were outdated tho

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think you read the wrong reply. I said that to Dave not you. i did say most of them were outdated tho

You are right. Sorry about that.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

You are right. Sorry about that.

all good. i was a little confused at first tho

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

The lottery for the draft is tomorrow and it's a bit weird not to be apart of it after so long. I'm rooting for Arizona personally to win. 1.5%? That means there's a chance!

 

[FaulkYouAho]

The lottery for the draft is tomorrow and it's a bit weird not to be apart of it after so long. I'm rooting for Arizona personally to win.

meh, just as long as EC teams don't win it im happy, or Edmonton...

 

[The Faulker 27]

The lottery for the draft is tomorrow and it's a bit weird not to be apart of it after so long. I'm rooting for Arizona personally to win. 1.5%? That means there's a chance!

It's weird to not be comfortably bitter.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I just realized that the Rangers could have 4 first round picks this year.

NYR Pick
WPG Pick - Hayes trade
TBL Pick - McD/Miller trade. Is a 2nd round pick that becomes a 1st round pick if TBL wins the cup.
Dal Pick - Zuccarello trade. Is a 2nd round pick that becomes a 1st round pick if Dallas makes it to the WCF and Zucc plays at least 50% of the playoff games.

I guess the good news is that if by chance, those conditions are met, they will at least be very late 1st round picks.

 

[MinJaBen]

I guess the good news is that if by chance, those conditions are met, they will at least be very late 1st round picks.

And maybe if they have so many, one for Fox becomes more reasonable.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And maybe if they have so many, one for Fox becomes more reasonable.

Talk about pick your poison...kind of sucks that we have to hope the Rangers get 4 1st round picks so they'd be more willing to give one of them up.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

A player that intrigues me is Brett leason. Two year overager who put up good numbers this year. I guess what really interests me is how he’s pretty much carried his team all season.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Instead of thousands of times, hoping for a specific result, and since the lottery is so early this year, I'm using a lottery simulator *once* and only once. Here it is:

I got Anaheim jumping up from 8 to 2, but otherwise, nothing exciting. COL, ANA, NJD, LAK, DET, BUF, NYR, EDM, VAN, PHI.

We can only hope.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I would love for Ottawa to win the lottery so I can laugh at them.

 

[MinJaBen]

I want Edmonton to win the 3rd spot just for the LOLs both in other saying they always win and for the high probability that whoever they take is disappointing compared to the top 2 guys.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

Instead of thousands of times, hoping for a specific result, and since the lottery is so early this year, I'm using a lottery simulator *once* and only once. Here it is:

I got Anaheim jumping up from 8 to 2, but otherwise, nothing exciting. COL, ANA, NJD, LAK, DET, BUF, NYR, EDM, VAN, PHI.

We can only hope.

this will probably be the best thing to happen if it does unless LA or Van or EDM gets it instead of NJ. imagine Hischer and Hall with Podkolzin or Cozens. or imagine Severson Vatanen Butcher Byram... i don't want to see that and i don't think anyone else here does to...

 

[A Star is Burns]

A player that intrigues me is Brett leason. Two year overager who put up good numbers this year. I guess what really interests me is how he’s pretty much carried his team all season.

I'm intrigued by him too, but more so if we decide to trade up from the Buffalo pick to the tail end of the first round.

 

[zman77]

Arthur Kaliyev:
Pure sniper who scored 51 goals this season for Hamilton @ 17 years old.
He'll need to improve his skating to be an effective NHL player.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I have paid no attention to this stuff this year as the Hurricanes haven’t been crap.

 

[My Special Purpose]

I have paid no attention to this stuff this year as the Hurricanes haven’t been crap.

-- signed, Hurricanes scouting staff