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What makes me think he will slide past them is that Chicago has taken Defensemen with each of their top 2 picks in the last two drafts. I’m not sure that they will do it again. I can see Chicago taking the Russian.
Frolov 6'3
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Makes no sense to me either. No idea what some think. Its a total crapshoot between 12 and 25.
And the last times we were trading up we ended up with Teubert and Zykov.
BigKing
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It's interesting, Elliotte Friedman had an analytics guy (I forget which team he worked for, maybe Columbus) on his podcast a few months back. The analytics guy claimed the odds were better to trade down. I would respectfully disagree with that, or at least in the context of the first round. I could understand it if you'd rather have two 7th rounders instead of one 6th rounder. But historically the team trading up in the first round has done better during my time as a fan.
Even in the case with Zykov, Edmonton didn't exactly hit those picks out of the park. Kings gave up #57, #88 (Anton Slepyshev), and #96 (Kyle Platzer) for #37. Edmonton subsequently moved #57 for #83 (Bogdan Yakimov), #94 (Jackson Houck), #113 (Aidan Muir).
Kings also traded up for Forbort between the Teubert and Zykov drafts.
Herby
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Big pick for the Avs. They are absolutely loaded with young talent and if they hit on this pick they could have the type of team that could win multiple cups.
Hit on Byram and you have a couple of #1 caliber defenseman to go along with the forwards
Hit on Caufield and you have him and MacKinnon on a line for a decade producing video game numbers.
Hit on any of the C's and you have a high end 2C to compliment the elite superstar 1C
Sakic gets to think about all of this while watching his team make a run in the playoffs, life is good in Denver.
Hit on Byram and you have a couple of #1 caliber defenseman to go along with the forwards
Hit on Caufield and you have him and MacKinnon on a line for a decade producing video game numbers.
Hit on any of the C's and you have a high end 2C to compliment the elite superstar 1C
Sakic gets to think about all of this while watching his team make a run in the playoffs, life is good in Denver.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Kings traded up for Forbort so it will be judged a mistake, but had they drafted Teresenko it would have been considered one of the best trades in team history. So the idea was right, just the player was wrong. Same as in 2006 and 2008.
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Why would the Avs break up 1 of the best lines in hockey and put Caufield with MacKinnon? If anything the Avs could use a #2 center to take some pressure off the #1 line.
One mock has us with both Alex Turcotte and Bobby Brink... I would be pretty damn happy with those two
The more I think about it the more I believe Byram will not last til our pick. I think he's too good of a prospect not to be taken by chicago or Colorado. Damn.
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I would still prefer Turcotte or Byram at #5 if either available. If the Kings took Caulfield, you could not cast aspersion on the org. Caulfield is breaking records and is set apart at scoring goals. Debrincat is also 5'7" and just scored 41 goals. Interesting to note that the Kings just went after and signed Lizotte, who is also 5'7" 165. Caulfield turned 18 January 2. It's highly possible he grows another 2" and adds 15 lbs. 5'9" 180 is not tiny exactly. I would have a player like MacDermid on the team to help curtail beatdowns on the smaller players.
No one is penciling him in....but he sure showed some tenacity and skills his one game. Will most probably be in Ontario, but saying the Kings had no reservations signing him...and probably would have no reservations drafting Caulfield, if they believe he's BPA at 5. After watching the Avs totally shutdown Gaudreau, by playing him relentlessly physical, my concern is that in a playoff war, Caulfield would be targeted the same.
I just think the Kings need a top center...but you take the BPA. But after Kakko, any one of the next 8 on the board, can be the best player, 3 years from now.
If Vilardi was healthy and just had a 50 pt rookie season, things would be different. I know they see Kupari at center and want his speed up the middle. As another year or 2 passes, Kopitar will be more of 2C than your #1 center. 2 years from now, Vilardi, Kupari and JAD could be centers 1,2,3. Or even Akil Tthomas in there. It's not like the Kings do not have emerging talent at center...but to me, Turcotte is a lock to be a top 2 center the next 12 years. Watched more of Dach and Cozens last 2 days and can say Dach does have high skill in vision and passing...he is gifted and has the size and power. And yes, his skating is not top end. If that is something the Kings felt that they could help improve, I could be in. Cozens is good at everything, but maybe not elite at anything. But his overall game is top 7 for sure in this class.
It's just that when I watch Turcotte, his speed is top end and love the fact he can score and make plays. When you add the 200 foot game, think he is the BPA at 5 for the Kings. If Byram and Turcotte are both on the board at #5, you can't lose in taking either.
Turcotte still my choice i available. Top end speed, skills, finish, playmaking, 2 way game and center is your most important position, after goalie.
No one is penciling him in....but he sure showed some tenacity and skills his one game. Will most probably be in Ontario, but saying the Kings had no reservations signing him...and probably would have no reservations drafting Caulfield, if they believe he's BPA at 5. After watching the Avs totally shutdown Gaudreau, by playing him relentlessly physical, my concern is that in a playoff war, Caulfield would be targeted the same.
I just think the Kings need a top center...but you take the BPA. But after Kakko, any one of the next 8 on the board, can be the best player, 3 years from now.
If Vilardi was healthy and just had a 50 pt rookie season, things would be different. I know they see Kupari at center and want his speed up the middle. As another year or 2 passes, Kopitar will be more of 2C than your #1 center. 2 years from now, Vilardi, Kupari and JAD could be centers 1,2,3. Or even Akil Tthomas in there. It's not like the Kings do not have emerging talent at center...but to me, Turcotte is a lock to be a top 2 center the next 12 years. Watched more of Dach and Cozens last 2 days and can say Dach does have high skill in vision and passing...he is gifted and has the size and power. And yes, his skating is not top end. If that is something the Kings felt that they could help improve, I could be in. Cozens is good at everything, but maybe not elite at anything. But his overall game is top 7 for sure in this class.
It's just that when I watch Turcotte, his speed is top end and love the fact he can score and make plays. When you add the 200 foot game, think he is the BPA at 5 for the Kings. If Byram and Turcotte are both on the board at #5, you can't lose in taking either.
Turcotte still my choice i available. Top end speed, skills, finish, playmaking, 2 way game and center is your most important position, after goalie.
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Hypothetically, what would you rather have?
5th, 23rd, 33rd picks
or
10th, 30th, 33rd, 40th, 61st picks
If Byram isn't available at 5, I'd seriously consider the latter.
5th, 23rd, 33rd picks
or
10th, 30th, 33rd, 40th, 61st picks
If Byram isn't available at 5, I'd seriously consider the latter.
Im pulling for one of podkolzin, Caufield, or Byram. I think this is the draft to go after a goal scoring winger if we dont go Defense.
My dream scenario would be drafting Podkolzin or Caufield then trading up to pick Broberg if he is still available around 13.
I also like Beecher alot if we dont trade up and would like us to target him with our 33rd pick but doubt he makes it there.
My dream scenario would be drafting Podkolzin or Caufield then trading up to pick Broberg if he is still available around 13.
I also like Beecher alot if we dont trade up and would like us to target him with our 33rd pick but doubt he makes it there.
Here's the informal list (the ones that were pick for picks) from my time since first watching the draft in 1995. The analytics guy on Friedman's podcast more or less said he went through this exercise and decided he liked the names for the teams trading down which I would disagree with.
Once in awhile you'll get that home run like Anaheim got in 2011, but that's a little more rare than we like to think as armchair scouts. Usually the overriding thought it just how hard it is to hit on picks out of the top 20. Dallas' had a run of trading down in the late 90s / early 00s which turned out some really good players for the teams trading with them. Above average NHLers in bold (admittedly some debatable).
1996:
San Jose: #21 (Marco Sturm)
Chicago: #31 (Remi Royer) and #46 (Geoff Peters)
1997:
San Jose: #23 (Scott Hannan)
Carolina: #28 (Brad DeFauw) and 1998 3rd (Erik Cole)
1998:
Chicago: #8 (Mark Bell) and #94 (Matthias Trattnig)
Toronto: #10 (Nik Antropov), #69 (Jamie Hodson), #126 (Morgan Warren)
New Jersey: #27 (Scott Gomez)
Dallas: #39 (John Erskine) and #57 (Tyler Bouck)
1999:
NY Islanders: #28 (Kristian Kudroc)
Dallas: #32 (Michael Ryan) and #96 (Matthias Tjarnqvist)
2001:
Phoenix: #11 (Fredrik Sjostrom)
Calgary: #14 (Chuck Kobasaw) and #41 (Andrei Taratukhin)
Ottawa: #23 (Tim Gleason)
Philadelphia: #27 (Jeff Woywitka), #225 (David Printz), 2002 2nd (Tobias Stephan)
Florida: #24 (Lukas Krajicek)
New Jersey: #44 (Igor Pohanka) and #48 (Thomas Pihlman)
2002:
Washington: #13 (Alexander Semin)
Dallas: #26 (Martin Vagner), #42 (Marius Holtet), #185 (Francis Wathier)
Atlanta: #30 (Jim Slater)
Detroit: #41 (Joakim Lindstrom) and #96 (Jeff Genovy)
2003:
San Jose: #16 (Steve Bernier)
Boston: #21 (Mark Stuart), #66 (Masi Marjamaki), #107 (Byron Bitz)
New Jersey: #17 (Zach Parise)
Edmonton: #22 (Marc-Antoine Pouliot) and #68 (J.F. Jacques)
Florida: #25 (Anthony Stewart)
Tampa Bay: #34 (Mike Egener), #41 (Matt Smaby), #192 (Doug O'Brien)
Anaheim: #28 (Corey Perry)
Dallas: #36 (Vojtech Polak) and #54 (B.J. Crombeen)
2004:
Carolina: #4 (Andrew Ladd)
Columbus: #8 (Alex Picard) and #59 (Kyle Wharton)
NY Rangers: #19 (Lauri Korpikoski) and #247 (Jonathan Paiement)
Calgary: #24 (Kris Chucko) and #46 (Adam Pineault* pick later traded)
New Jersey: #20 (Travis Zajac)
Dallas: #22 (...) and #88 (Clayton Barthel)
San Jose: #22 (Lukas Kaspar) and #153 (Steve Zalewski)
Dallas: #28 (Mark Fistric), #52 (Raymond Sawada), #91 (Alex Edler* pick later traded)
2005:
San Jose: #8 (Devin Setoguchi)
Atlanta: #12 (...), #49 (Chad Denny), #207 (Myles Stoesz)
NY Rangers: #12 (Marc Staal)
Atlanta: #16 (Alex Bourret) and #41 (Ondrej Pavelec)
Florida: #20 (Kenndal McArdle)
Philadelphia: #29 (Steve Downie) and 2006 2nd (Cory Emmerton* pick later traded)
Washington: #27 (Joe Finley)
Colorado: #47 (Tom Fritsche) and #52 (Chris Durand)
2006:
San Jose: #16 (Ty Wishart)
Montreal: #20 (David Fischer) and #53 (Mathieu Carle)
St. Louis: #25 (Patrik Berglund)
New Jersey: #30 (Matt Corrente) and #77 (Vladimir Zharkov)
Phoenix: #29 (Chris Summers)
Detroit #41 (Cory Emmerton) and #47 (Shawn Matthias)
2007:
San Jose: #9 (Logan Couture)
St. Louis: #13 (Lars Eller), #44 (Aaron Palushaj), aand #87 (Ian Schultz)
Minnesota: #16 (Colton Gillies)
Anaheim: #19 (Logan MacMillan) and #42 (Eric Tangradi)
St. Louis: #18 (Ian Cole)
Calgary: #24 (Mikael Backlund) and #70 (John Negrin)
Edmonton: #21 (Riley Nash)
Phoenix: #30 (Nick Ross) and #36 (Joel Gistedt)
2008:
Toronto: #5 (Luke Schenn)
NY Islanders: #7 (...), #68 (Shawn Lalonde* pick later traded), 2009 2nd (Mat Clark* pick later traded)
Nashville: #7 (Colin Wilson)
NY Islanders: #9 (Josh Bailey) and #40 (Aaron Ness)
Los Angeles #12 (...)
Anaheim: #17 (Jake Gardiner) and #28 (...)
Buffalo: #12 (Tyler Myers)
Los Angeles: #13 (Colten Teubert) and future 3rd (Ryan Howse)
Ottawa: #15 (Erik Karlsson)
Nashville: #18 (Chet Pickard) and future 3rd (Taylor Beck)
Washington: #21 (Anton Gustafsson)
New Jersey: #23 (...) and #54 (Patrice Cormier)
Minnesota: #23 (Tyler Cuma)
New Jersey: #24 (Mattias Tedenby) and future 3rd (Alexander Urbom)
Phoenix: #28 (Viktor Tikhonov)
Anaheim: #35 (Nic Deschamps) and #39 (Eric O'Dell)
2009:
NY Islanders: #12 (Calvin de Haan)
Minnesota: #16 (Nick Leddy), #77 (Matt Hackett), #181 (Erik Haula)
Calgary: #20 (Tim Erixon)
New Jersey: #23 (Jacob Josefson) and #84 (Nic Deslauriers* pick traded)
Columbus: #21 (John Moore)
Anaheim: #26 (Kyle Palmieri) and #37 (Mat Clark)
Tampa Bay: #29 (Carter Ashton)
Detroit: #32 (Landon Ferraro) and #75 (Andrej Nestrasil)
2010:
Los Angeles: #15 (Derek Forbort)
Florida: #19 (Nick Bjugstad) and #59 (Jason Zucker* pick traded)
Montreal: #22 (Jarred Tinordi) and #113 (Mark MacMillan)
Phoenix: #27 (Mark Visentin) and #57 (Oscar Lindberg)
NY Islanders: #30 (Brock Nelson)
Chicago: #35 (Ludvig Rensfeldt) and #58 (Kent Simpson)
2011:
Toronto: #22 (Tyler Biggs)
Anaheim: #30 (Rickard Rakell) and #39 (John Gibson)
Ottawa: #24 (Matt Puempel)
Detroit: #35 (Tomas Jurco) and #48 (Xavier Ouellet)
2012:
Buffalo: #14 (Zemgus Girgensons)
Calgary: #21 (Mark Jankowski) and #42 (Patrick Sieloff)
2013:
San Jose: #18 (Mirco Mueller)
Detroit: #20 (Anthony Mantha) and #58 (Tyler Bertuzzi)
2014:
Chicago: #20 (Nick Schmaltz) and #179 (Ivan Nalimov)
San Jose: #27 (Nikolay Goldobin) and #62 (Justin Kirkland* pick traded)
NY Islanders: #28 (Joshua Ho-Sang)
Tampa Bay: #35 (Dominik Masin) and #57 (Johnathan MacLeod)
2015:
Philadelphia: #24 (Travis Konecny)
Toronto: #29 (...) and #61 (Jeremy Bracco)
NY Islanders: #28 (Anthony Beauvillier)
Tampa Bay: #33 (Mitchell Stephens) and #72 (Anthony Cirelli)
Columbus: #29 (Gabriel Carlsson)
Toronto: #34 (Travis Dermott) and #68 (Martins Dzierkals)
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With the Canes moving on, pick moved down to 22 lock now? And if Colorado and Columbus move on,
20th ! But just elimintated the 23rd slot and will now be 20-22. Awesome.
KingsOfCali25
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I really think if both Turcotte and Byram are gone before 5, LA should move down. Farthest I'd be willing to move down is 8th to Edmonton. Maybe something like..
5th OA + LaDue for 8th OA + Puljujarvi + 3rd
NJ- Hughes
NYR- Kakko
CHI- Turcotte
COL- Byram
EDM- Dach
DET- Cozens
BUF- Zegras
LA- Podkolzin
Still get the Elite talent at a cheap price but also gain another skilled winger for moving down
Edit: the only teams that could take the risk on Podkolzin in the Top 10 would be Chicago and Colorado. But I think they both go a different route than him.
5th OA + LaDue for 8th OA + Puljujarvi + 3rd
NJ- Hughes
NYR- Kakko
CHI- Turcotte
COL- Byram
EDM- Dach
DET- Cozens
BUF- Zegras
LA- Podkolzin
Still get the Elite talent at a cheap price but also gain another skilled winger for moving down
Edit: the only teams that could take the risk on Podkolzin in the Top 10 would be Chicago and Colorado. But I think they both go a different route than him.
Something tells me Blake got those extra picks to make trades during the draft.. don’t be surprised to see us acquire another 2nd rounder or even move our extra 3rd and 4th..
20-22 OA+Wash 3rd to move up
33OA+CAL 4th to move into the 1st
2003 all over again but here’s hoping we actually cash in!!!
20-22 OA+Wash 3rd to move up
33OA+CAL 4th to move into the 1st
2003 all over again but here’s hoping we actually cash in!!!
Frolov 6'3
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True that.
Yet I always say it is irrelevant what choices the other team made because it doesnt mean LA had picked them too. Thats also the reason why most fans rather trade picks than own prospects. They have no emotional attachment to it.
Of course we had picked Miles Wood and Jack Guentzel when Zykov was gone.
avsfan09
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ibleedkings
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Watching highlights of this kid really reminds me of Kopitar. Not sure how his defensive game is though.
avsfan09
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It's actually good. He's cerebral defensively like Kopitar rather than dogged though but he still reads the play well on the D side. For as much credit as Cozens gets as a 2way guy I think Dach can be just as good. He reads the play so well. If the Avs don't take Byram, Dach would be my personal choice. He has a huge ceiling.
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I'd be thrilled with Dach at 5. He has legit 1C potential. Elite vision, hands, size. Stride is a bit choppy, but that can be improved. Consistency issues? Give me a break. The same was said about Kopitar.
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