No, it shows that a 4th liner can be well out of his depth with a small sample size. Trying to make that equivocation between Haley and his talent and his role to Pavelski or Marleau and their talents and their roles is being purposely misleading. But even if that were an honest comparison, it's still apples to oranges.
Speculation: 2019-2020 Sharks Roster Discussion, part три (3)
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No, it shows that a 4th liner can be well out of his depth with a small sample size. Trying to make that equivocation between Haley and his talent and his role to Pavelski or Marleau and their talents and their roles is being purposely misleading. But even if that were an honest comparison, it's still apples to oranges.
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Ryan was on the cheapest deal possible at 650k last year. His QO was I believe the lowest of anyone. You can’t re-sign him for any cheaper. He is soft and plays a weak defensive game. Let him walk. Literally his only attribute is he’s played some games and he’s cheap. Can find more than that from someone else.
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His QO was way too high for a 4th line grinder. He will be back, but just signed as a UFA.
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Rumors of Dilllon being on the block and Ryan not qualified makes me wonder what Doug’s planning for D. Has he spoken to some FA d-men? Is he planning a trade? I know we’ve got some guys in the A but playing 3 rookies can’t be his plan (though I don’t hate it if it is... but it’s not like him).
My guess is: we don’t re-sign Pavs, we sign at least one FA d-man (ugh why do I think it’ll be Phaneuf) and someone like Nyquist, Zucc, etc.
Possibly trade Dillon/picks/prospect for a young, cheap top 6 forward with a high ceiling (yeah yeah he’s not worth that... but this is Doug we’re talking about).
My guess is: we don’t re-sign Pavs, we sign at least one FA d-man (ugh why do I think it’ll be Phaneuf) and someone like Nyquist, Zucc, etc.
Possibly trade Dillon/picks/prospect for a young, cheap top 6 forward with a high ceiling (yeah yeah he’s not worth that... but this is Doug we’re talking about).
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Didnt Phaneuf get health scratched last season in LA? I know he is a physical D-man but I would rather take a chance with our kids than play him. He is a slow skater and gets out of position a lot while making hits.
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Don’t say eye test when you mean points
And it also shows that that 4th liner can be very solid in terms of Corsi and Expected Goals.
Fistfullofbeer
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Wouldn't shock me I guess but there have to be better bargain bin options than Phaneuf. Guess we will find out.
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Fistfullofbeer
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I was thinking about that yesterday but remember someone saying that he has slowed down considerably in the last couple of years.
LadyStanley
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Ryan had arbitration rights. Could be that the Sharks didn't want to deal with that in a cap crunch situation.
Fistfullofbeer
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When was the last time it took us so long to re-sign a player of Meier's caliber? Last player I remember taking too long to re-sign was Tierney who went to arbitration and then ended up being traded for EK65.
And Tierney is not even close to Meier level.
And Tierney is not even close to Meier level.
Fistfullofbeer
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Weird. We all know he wants to stay here but from a business perspective makes much more sense for him to atleast show the Sharks that he is willing to walk.
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Stralman would have to come in around 2 years and $2-2.5 mil per for me to be interested and even then I would rather pass on bringing him in. He is similar to Braun in that he has taken a beating and his body is just not what it once was. His underlying stats are all on a steep decline as well. Hard pass for me. A few years ago, would have been all aboard in bringing that kinda guy in.
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Think it speaks to how the RFA landscape has changed. DW may not be able to work his magic on usual cost effective bridge deals.
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That certainly seems to be the case. If it went to arbitration I could see him being awarded north of a million. I suspect that Doug wants to come at that or just below.
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Don’t say eye test when you mean points
I know that DW reportedly had interest in Alex Edler. That's the only external player we've heard anything about. But I wonder if that was something that Edler's camp leaked in order to improve leverage from the Canucks.
I think Pavs ends up in Minnesota. Close to his home and I think he’s likely a bit irritated the Sharks want him to take a discount.
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I think the RFA landscape is definitely crazy right now. Look at the list below. None of the high profile RFA's have signed with their teams yet. Seems so freaking strange.
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Pavelski2112
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That's unfortunate. I wanted Stralman so bad when Tampa got him. Was an incredibly underrated defender.
Honestly after everything he’s done since being drafted he deserves to get paid. I’d wanna see him on the hawks and win a cup if we don’t
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