Post-Game Talk: 2017 NHL Entry Draft from Chicago - Round 1 completed

[LouJersey]

Pens fans are pissed they could have drafted Kostin and they drafted a 30 year old Reaves instead

Then they should abandon the team for the third time.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Tolvanen and Kostin failling to the end of 1st round.

What I thought was strange (and maybe I missed it) was when they talked about Tolvanen falling, they talked about being arrogant in his interviews, but didn't say anything about the BC situation, which I think played a huge role in him falling.

 

[Number8]

What I thought was strange (and maybe I missed it) was when they talked about Tolvanen falling, they talked about being arrogant in his interviews, but didn't say anything about the BC situation, which I think played a huge role in him falling.

Agree.

That's a tough combination. Rumors of arrogance in interviews and then BC admissions says no to a highly recruited player.

May turn out to be much ado about nothing, but I can see why that would hurt a kids draft ranking late in the game.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

More like Spooner #18, and 2018 conditional #1. That is probably what it would have taken .

Maybe Phi would have taken Frederick or one of the top Bruins wing prospects instead of the 2018 #1

Personally, I would not have included Frederic in a deal for Schenn.

Anybody think that if the offers were close, PHI would rather send him to the Western Conference?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Agree.

That's a tough combination. Rumors of arrogance in interviews and then BC admissions says no to a highly recruited player.

May turn out to be much ado about nothing, but I can see why that would hurt a kids draft ranking late in the game.

I think the thing that hurt was not necessarily the rejection, but the resulting uncertainty. It wasn't great that they didn't admit him, but that stuff happens sometimes.

The issue is, where will he be playing next year? Kid goes to BC, you know he's in good hands and will play one of the toughest schedules in the NCAA. Now what? Could end up somewhere good, but no guarantees.

He should go to UMass with Makar so I can watch them both

 

[DKH]

I didn't interview Urho or watch him play live or even tape but at 18 you swing hard - you go safe at 27 or 31

Vesalainen
Yamamoto
Poehling
Oettinger
Tolvanen
Thomas

On and on

I assume and hope I can add this to my I was wrong List

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I didn't interview Urho or watch him play live or even tape but at 18 you swing hard - you go safe at 27 or 31

Vesalainen
Yamamoto
Poehling
Oettinger
Tolvanen
Thomas

On and on

I assume and hope I can add this to my I was wrong List

I'm not going to pretend I know much about UV, because I don't. What I do know is that right now in the NHL, probably the most valuable commodity going is good d-men. Sweeney looks like he's stocking up and I doubt he keeps them all.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

What I thought was strange (and maybe I missed it) was when they talked about Tolvanen falling, they talked about being arrogant in his interviews, but didn't say anything about the BC situation, which I think played a huge role in him falling.

Well most mock drafts recently has him falling to the 20s even before the BC news.

If the BC news had any impact than that is a crying shame. It is completely meaningless as to whether he becomes a good hockey player. Beyond that, he was likely rejected because of some transcript issues, where BC basically rejected some of his HS credits.

 

[LouJersey]

Zboril, Lauzon, Lindgren and Vaakanainen would be prospect #1-2-3-4 on D in Mtl. And they don't have a Carlo or McAvoy on the pro-roster either.

With TB likely going back into the top-3 in the division next year and they improvement of Tor+Buf and to an extend Flo, I wiould not be surprised to see the Habs on the outside looking in after game 82 this year.

Yeah and you have Krug, Chara for a couple more years and still need a top pair guy so where are these 46 LHD going to play?

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I think the thing that hurt was not necessarily the rejection, but the resulting uncertainty. It wasn't great that they didn't admit him, but that stuff happens sometimes.

The issue is, where will he be playing next year? Kid goes to BC, you know he's in good hands and will play one of the toughest schedules in the NCAA. Now what? Could end up somewhere good, but no guarantees.

He should go to UMass with Makar so I can watch them both

The unsurity is a possibility, on the other hand their are teams out there that don't like drafting college players, or having their kids go to college. You often see teams draft a kid who is committed to college and then convince hm to give it up to go play juniors instead

 

[GloryDaze4877]

The unsurity is a possibility, on the other hand their are teams out there that don't like drafting college players, or having their kids go to college. You often see teams draft a kid who is committed to college and then convince hm to give it up to go play juniors instead

You obviously disagree, but I think not knowing where the kid will be (as opposed to BC) definitely makes a difference.

As far as what actually happened, I don't know, but if the kid WAS arrogant at his interviews and then didn't get into BC because of his grades, those would be red flags for me.

 

[dredeye]

I didn't interview Urho or watch him play live or even tape but at 18 you swing hard - you go safe at 27 or 31

Vesalainen
Yamamoto
Poehling
Oettinger
Tolvanen
Thomas

On and on

I assume and hope I can add this to my I was wrong List

Are you saying you do or don't like the pick?

 

[Fenway]

The unsurity is a possibility, on the other hand their are teams out there that don't like drafting college players, or having their kids go to college. You often see teams draft a kid who is committed to college and then convince hm to give it up to go play juniors instead

This was a very weak NCAA class.

A few weeks ago I had a talk with someone who works for one of the elite agencies and we talked about the NCAA vs CHL debate. He told me that now agencies are steering New England born prospects towards NCAA hockey because players born in NE are assigned to the Quebec League. The main issue for parents is education and that can be an issue in some of the smaller Quebec towns that host a team.

 

[BruinDust]

You obviously disagree, but I think not knowing where the kid will be (as opposed to BC) definitely makes a difference.

As far as what actually happened, I don't know, but if the kid WAS arrogant at his interviews and then didn't get into BC because of his grades, those would be red flags for me.

That's a huge red flag. Your committed to a Division 1 university who will pay your way, and you can't put in the work off the ice into your studies to get into the school, knowing your set-up for a full athletic scholarship if you do put in the work. It's not like he needed straight As to get admitted.

Not saying the kid can't overcome this set-back, or that he won't mature over time, but it's a red flag none the less.

 

[bruinmann77]

I thought maybe DS might went for a scorer at 18 or trade down but i am am not going to complain with DS draft pick at this point. We also have to remember you need two to make a trade

 

[JOKER 192]

Hate this pick..........

Hated the Pasternak and McAvoy picks too so we should be good.

 

[DitClapper]

They should be drafting a RW in the 2nd round. I guess you can say that's where we lack prospect depth.

Kole Lind would be worth it to trade up a bit.

 

[bruinmann77]

I thinking the Goalie comming in round 2

 

[Fenway]

You obviously disagree, but I think not knowing where the kid will be (as opposed to BC) definitely makes a difference.

As far as what actually happened, I don't know, but if the kid WAS arrogant at his interviews and then didn't get into BC because of his grades, those would be red flags for me.

I preface my remarks being a graduate of BU.

Boston College in 2017 might have a tougher admission standard than Harvard does when it comes to athletics. BC was a joke in the 80's when you had athletes enrolled in night school playing varsity athletics.

Mike Milbury walked away from BC in 1994 without coaching a game and BC then hired Jerry York.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-06-03/sports/9406030220_1_boston-college-mike-milbury-quits

BC has become a laughing stock in the ACC because admissions is brutal but it is hard to condemn a school for placing academics over athletics.

 

[Alicat]

From what I was told by a friend who went to BC, the history class Tolvanen took, and passed, did not transfer under the academic rules between US and European schools and they couldn't get around it.

Essentially he had the grades to get into BC but his history credit simply did not transfer under the current system.

 

[DKH]

Are you saying you do or don't like the pick?

I don't if I'm honest with myself

Sweeney said skyped to the Draft party he's projected to be a top pair with McAvoy

He said Vaakanainen and McAvoy as a pairing

The good news is Boston has 2 stud under 21 RHD

4 LHD drafted in top two rounds of last 3 drafts

Also

I see him as a third pair but O'Gara improved by the month in the AHL and should be a very capable and plus third pair

I wanted Vesalainen when he made it to them or go for the next Marchand type in Yamamoto

Frederic had me enraged last year and Vaakanainen at least I liked but not here

They couldn't have moved back 5-10 spots and got him?

 

[DKH]

Hate this pick..........

Hated the Pasternak and McAvoy picks too so we should be good.

I have to laugh

Every pick I hate ends up good

From Bergeron to Logan Mankins and Devon McCourtey of the Patriots. Hate hate hate (Kirk leudike told me that day in 2003 Bergeron could be a phenomenal pick. Kudos to one KL)

The more I drank the more I wanted Vesalainen or one of the sexy guys

 

[BruinLVGA]

I would've given the 18th for Reaves.

This is like the black belt of sarcasm. Love it!

 

[BruinLVGA]

I didn't interview Urho or watch him play live or even tape but at 18 you swing hard - you go safe at 27 or 31

Vesalainen
Yamamoto
Poehling
Oettinger
Tolvanen
Thomas

On and on

I assume and hope I can add this to my I was wrong List

No offense to Uhro, but I am with you on this one.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I like the pick. Safe, big upside, can never have enough D prospects

Looking for some fireworks today