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Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C) - Part II

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One Winged Angel said:
I was the other way around. I still believe Lias was a panic pick after missing out on Pettersson and Glass in back to back picks.
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Lias was more a safe pick than a panic pick. They went with a player they thought would have the highest probability of making the NHL*, after not having a 1st rounder for 4 straight years.

*Highest probability =/= NHL ready at the time of the draft
 
I would guess they went with Andersson because he was the highest guy on their board when they picked. But none of us really know.
 
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Irishguy42 said:
McKenzie said the Rangers list was Pettersson, Glass, Andersson, Suzuki.

Didn't mention order, but would imagine it was exactly that order.

Pettersson and Glass were gone by the time the Rangers were picking. Andersson was next highest.

1 + 1 = 2

Most of the time, the easiest answer is the correct one.
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The same way they had Kravtsov as the 2nd best forward in the 2018 draft
 
Didn't they try to trade up for Pettersson?

I'm starting to think maybe they should have traded down after Pettersson and Glass were taken off the board. Though fans would have had a conniption, given it was their highest pick in ages.
 
I don't think the guys drafted after Lias have done much better than him, if at all:

- Mittelstadt's scoring rate and corsi in the NHL have only been a little bit better and he's played with much better linemates than Lias did and gotten significant PP time
- Rasmussen wasn't in the top 20 in PPG in the WHL last year and has been pretty quiet in the NHL this year
- Tippett's still in the OHL and is only 20th in the league in scoring. Andersson actually ranks higher among U21 players in PPG in the AHL than Tippett does in the OHL
- Vilardi's injuries seem like they could be a big deal
- Necas has scored at a slightly higher rate than Andersson in the AHL, but he's on the best team in the AHL while Andersson's on a team that's going to miss the playoffs
- Nick Suzuki's only been a little better than Tippett
- It seems like Cal Foote has been ok in the AHL, but nothing special
- Valimaki was pretty quiet in the NHL before getting hurt
- Liljegren seems to have regressed from last year in the AHL
- Vaakanainan doesn't look any better than Andersson in the AHL

Out of the next 12 picks, I think the only guy who's obviously been better than Lias is Brannstrom. Then you have Robert Thomas, who 12 other teams passed on and Chytil, who we took.

Tolvanen, Vesalainan, Frost, and Jokiharju all look good at the end of the draft, but:
- Tolvanen's been worse than Andersson in the AHL this year
- Vesalainan couldn't stick in the NHL this year and left for the KHL
- Frost is still in a junior league
- Jokiharju seemed to be struggling in the NHL the last game the Rangers played the Blackhawks

Batherson, who was passed over 120 times and came out of nowhere is probably the only other guy who clearly goes ahead of Andersson, but he's cooled off a lot after his great start to the season.

So out of the 210 guys drafted after Andersson, it seems to me like there are only 3-4 who have been clearly been better than him (1 of whom we drafted) and Andersson is in somewhere in the group of the best 10-15 players after that. We'll be able to judge the pick much better in 5 years, but based on how everyone else has performed so far it seems like very reasonable pick to me.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Lias was more a safe pick than a panic pick. They went with a player they thought would have the highest probability of making the NHL*, after not having a 1st rounder for 4 straight years.

*Highest probability =/= NHL ready at the time of the draft
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With his skating and being all over the board, I can’t imagine them really thinking he was the most NHL ready.
 
pblawr said:
I don't think the guys drafted after Lias have done much better than him, if at all:

- Mittelstadt's scoring rate and corsi in the NHL have only been a little bit better and he's played with much better linemates than Lias did and gotten significant PP time
- Rasmussen wasn't in the top 20 in PPG in the WHL last year and has been pretty quiet in the NHL this year
- Tippett's still in the OHL and is only 20th in the league in scoring. Andersson actually ranks higher among U21 players in PPG in the AHL than Tippett does in the OHL
- Vilardi's injuries seem like they could be a big deal
- Necas has scored at a slightly higher rate than Andersson in the AHL, but he's on the best team in the AHL while Andersson's on a team that's going to miss the playoffs
- Nick Suzuki's only been a little better than Tippett
- It seems like Cal Foote has been ok in the AHL, but nothing special
- Valimaki was pretty quiet in the NHL before getting hurt
- Liljegren seems to have regressed from last year in the AHL
- Vaakanainan doesn't look any better than Andersson in the AHL

Out of the next 12 picks, I think the only guy who's obviously been better than Lias is Brannstrom. Then you have Robert Thomas, who 12 other teams passed on and Chytil, who we took.

Tolvanen, Vesalainan, Frost, and Jokiharju all look good at the end of the draft, but:
- Tolvanen's been worse than Andersson in the AHL this year
- Vesalainan couldn't stick in the NHL this year and left for the KHL
- Frost is still a junior league
- Jokiharju seemed to be struggling in the NHL the last game the Rangers played the Blackhawks

Batherson, who was passed over 120 times and came out of nowhere is probably the only other guy who clearly goes ahead of Andersson, but he's cooled off a lot after his great start to the season.

So out of the 210 guys drafted after Andersson, it seems to me like there are only 3-4 who have been clearly been better than him (1 of whom we drafted) and Andersson is in somewhere in the group of the best 10-15 players after that. We'll be able to judge the pick much better in 5 years, but based on how everyone else has performed so far it seems like very reasonable pick to me.
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Looking more and more like a really weak draft. Chytil was probably the steal in the first round and we ended up with him, so can't be TOO upset if Andersson's fate is a bottom 6 forward. Plus, they've seen to have made up for it last year with three really solid, high upside picks. I think we're in better shape than some people think
 
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pblawr said:
I don't think the guys drafted after Lias have done much better than him, if at all:

- Mittelstadt's scoring rate and corsi in the NHL have only been a little bit better and he's played with much better linemates than Lias did and gotten significant PP time
- Rasmussen wasn't in the top 20 in PPG in the WHL last year and has been pretty quiet in the NHL this year
- Tippett's still in the OHL and is only 20th in the league in scoring. Andersson actually ranks higher among U21 players in PPG in the AHL than Tippett does in the OHL
- Vilardi's injuries seem like they could be a big deal
- Necas has scored at a slightly higher rate than Andersson in the AHL, but he's on the best team in the AHL while Andersson's on a team that's going to miss the playoffs
- Nick Suzuki's only been a little better than Tippett
- It seems like Cal Foote has been ok in the AHL, but nothing special
- Valimaki was pretty quiet in the NHL before getting hurt
- Liljegren seems to have regressed from last year in the AHL
- Vaakanainan doesn't look any better than Andersson in the AHL

Out of the next 12 picks, I think the only guy who's obviously been better than Lias is Brannstrom. Then you have Robert Thomas, who 12 other teams passed on and Chytil, who we took.

Tolvanen, Vesalainan, Frost, and Jokiharju all look good at the end of the draft, but:
- Tolvanen's been worse than Andersson in the AHL this year
- Vesalainan couldn't stick in the NHL this year and left for the KHL
- Frost is still a junior league
- Jokiharju seemed to be struggling in the NHL the last game the Rangers played the Blackhawks

Batherson, who was passed over 120 times and came out of nowhere is probably the only other guy who clearly goes ahead of Andersson, but he's cooled off a lot after his great start to the season.

So out of the 210 guys drafted after Andersson, it seems to me like there are only 3-4 who have been clearly been better than him (1 of whom we drafted) and Andersson is in somewhere in the group of the best 10-15 players after that. We'll be able to judge the pick much better in 5 years, but based on how everyone else has performed so far it seems like very reasonable pick to me.
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The sad part is I wanted brannstrom....so there's that.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Well, so far nothing seems to indicate we passed up on a significantly better player. Not even Mittelstadt
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I really like necas and brannstrom..those are 2 guys i wanted. I've been pretty down on lias' but I fully acknowledge that 1)there's still tons of time and 2)it was always thought to have been a really weak draft.
 
Inferno said:
I really like necas and brannstrom..those are 2 guys i wanted. I've been pretty down on lias' but I fully acknowledge that 1)there's still tons of time and 2)it was always thought to have been a really weak draft.
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One Winged Angel said:
It’s early. Like I said, I hope Lias proves me wrong, but if I had to take a look at talent, I believe they passed up more talented players.
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Necas and Brannstrom are 2 players I loved going into the draft, but both were ranked so low that nobody expected them to be picked in the top-10. For all the flack Gorton gets for "reaching" for Lias, I am surprised so many people bring up Brannstrom and Necas who would be as much of a reach as Lias.

It will be 3-5 years before we can truly evaluate the 2017 draft and see how we did.
 
I'd rather reach on talent than on intangibles....not saying lias' isn't talented...he's just not as talented as some of those other guys and Bob mckenzie stated more than once that the rangers liked lias' because they felt he's the kind of player who you win with...ie intangibles.
 
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Inferno said:
I'd rather reach on talent than on intangibles....not saying lias' isn't talented...he's just not as talented as some of those other guys and Bob mckenzie stated more than once that the rangers liked lias' because they felt he's the kind of player who you win with...ie intangibles.
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I think there has to be some balance on that skill/intangibles scale, you get your Jurco’s and Schremp’s on one side and your Beagle’s and Glass’ on the other end
 
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pblawr said:
I don't think the guys drafted after Lias have done much better than him, if at all:

- Mittelstadt's scoring rate and corsi in the NHL have only been a little bit better and he's played with much better linemates than Lias did and gotten significant PP time
- Rasmussen wasn't in the top 20 in PPG in the WHL last year and has been pretty quiet in the NHL this year
- Tippett's still in the OHL and is only 20th in the league in scoring. Andersson actually ranks higher among U21 players in PPG in the AHL than Tippett does in the OHL
- Vilardi's injuries seem like they could be a big deal
- Necas has scored at a slightly higher rate than Andersson in the AHL, but he's on the best team in the AHL while Andersson's on a team that's going to miss the playoffs
- Nick Suzuki's only been a little better than Tippett
- It seems like Cal Foote has been ok in the AHL, but nothing special
- Valimaki was pretty quiet in the NHL before getting hurt
- Liljegren seems to have regressed from last year in the AHL
- Vaakanainan doesn't look any better than Andersson in the AHL

Out of the next 12 picks, I think the only guy who's obviously been better than Lias is Brannstrom. Then you have Robert Thomas, who 12 other teams passed on and Chytil, who we took.

Tolvanen, Vesalainan, Frost, and Jokiharju all look good at the end of the draft, but:
- Tolvanen's been worse than Andersson in the AHL this year
- Vesalainan couldn't stick in the NHL this year and left for the KHL
- Frost is still in a junior league
- Jokiharju seemed to be struggling in the NHL the last game the Rangers played the Blackhawks

Batherson, who was passed over 120 times and came out of nowhere is probably the only other guy who clearly goes ahead of Andersson, but he's cooled off a lot after his great start to the season.

So out of the 210 guys drafted after Andersson, it seems to me like there are only 3-4 who have been clearly been better than him (1 of whom we drafted) and Andersson is in somewhere in the group of the best 10-15 players after that. We'll be able to judge the pick much better in 5 years, but based on how everyone else has performed so far it seems like very reasonable pick to me.
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Great post! You did the work on all picks and if it was me I’d exclude defensemen since it’s likely the Rangers were looking more toward forwards. Overall conclusion either way is that it proves it’s way too early to make a call on Lias and he’s been doing just fine relative to his peers.
 
Irishguy42 said:
McKenzie said the Rangers list was Pettersson, Glass, Andersson, Suzuki.

Didn't mention order, but would imagine it was exactly that order.

Pettersson and Glass were gone by the time the Rangers were picking. Andersson was next highest.

1 + 1 = 2

Most of the time, the easiest answer is the correct one.
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Glass sustained a pretty gruesome injury yesterday too, maybe broken leg? Likely out of the season.
 
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