Speculation: 2017-2018 Trade Rumors Thread
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AngelDuck
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I think Steel is just as NHL ready as Terry. I actually think he's stronger on his skates
caliamad
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If we play our young guys regular minutes at the beginning of he season we may be bad to start but eventually we will be better.
If we don’t I hope Carlyle Is fired.
A big sign will be how many “vets” are signed to 1 way contracts. 2 way / tryouts are all good to maintain a professional environment, by I don’t want Carlyle to even be given the option to play them over our plethora of prospects.
I think we will be able to make people earn ice time simply because we have so many young players to ice. someone dogging it then we send them down to the ahl.
We will be a fast team if we can get these guys playing time.
If we don’t I hope Carlyle Is fired.
A big sign will be how many “vets” are signed to 1 way contracts. 2 way / tryouts are all good to maintain a professional environment, by I don’t want Carlyle to even be given the option to play them over our plethora of prospects.
I think we will be able to make people earn ice time simply because we have so many young players to ice. someone dogging it then we send them down to the ahl.
We will be a fast team if we can get these guys playing time.
I don't mind cheap vet signings, even on 1 way contracts. Losing so many ruined the Gulls IMO. Fehr, Rasmussen, and White all leaving at similar times pretty much doomed them IMO. The key will be if Murray sends him down (Murray is the one who ultimately decides who's called up/sent down.
I still don't see how this team is going to get "faster". I can't see Carlyle making that much of an adjustment to his system. People keep mentioning players like Steel, Kossila, and Terry. Where do they slot in the lineup? The regular lineup is only losing two players and we're gaining one back in Eaves.
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Murray’s idea of getting faster is probably going to be adding a couple of no talent speedsters to our bottom 6 and hoping one discovers some kind of scoring touch.
Also the majority of our prospects coming through aren’t burners. Some are above average and even fast but the in general what we have coming through is more of the same. Terry and Steel who are our best two forward prospects rely on hockey sense and creativity more than skating, especially Steel.
Vinegar Strokes
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So we'll be signing Magnus Paajarvi? I actually wouldn't hate him on the 4th line.
I agree with you in that I think that's going to be his logic. Anyone who thinks Carlyle simply changing is going to have that much impact deserves to have their logic questioned. If he adds a 4th line speedy guy, i'm fine with that. I'm worried he's going to overpay someone like Grabner and repeat the Hagelin thing all over again.
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The team has to get younger that's all there is too it, some of our older guys with the Gulls should get first crack. I think it's a complete joke Kossilla has never had a real opportunity he always impressed me when I watch SD
I don't disagree with you, but the only way that happens if we just started trading guys like Silfverberg for picks and prospects. We can day dream about Perry and Kesler not being here, but that's not realistic. The fact is that we're stuck with those guys for at least 2 years. Trading Getzlaf and Rakell would be stupid. That leaves: Cogliano, Silfverberg, and Henrique. I just don't see how people think this roster is all of a sudden going to get much younger or faster.
Keeping Carlyle was just an awful, awful decision. I think a change in system can make the team play faster. That won't happen under Carlyle. Good news is that we'll fire him midseason next year when all the good coaching candidates have already been picked up!
AngelDuck
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The roster gets younger and faster by not signing the type of guys Murray brought in for last year. It gets younger and faster by letting some guys in SD have a chance instead of getting worthless veterans that we already know are going to suck. It also gets faster by playing 4 lines and letting Getzlaf and Kesler rest more than they did last year.
Agreed, the Carlyle situation is ridiculous, and it's going to cost us a season next year probably until we fix the mistake
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Terry seems to need to gain a lil muscle mass on him... hes going to get knocked around a bit. When I watch Steel he looks a lot more compact than Terry.
I think Henrique could be really good as Getzlafs Left wing... idealy if we could manage to trade Perry(I know its not likely)
Henrique Getzlaf Eaves
Rakell Steel Kase (assuming steel has a good camp and earns it)
Cogs Kesler Silfverberg
Ritchie Kossila Perry or whoever wins the spot at camp, if perry is moved.
Physical play/big guys arnt as necessary in todays NHL... the problem is I don't think RCs system would ever work with that roster...I also thought Kase and Rakell showed some chemistry together in the limited time they got to play along side each other... takes a little pressure off the kesler line to have to put up line 2 #'s... and gives us a very high skilled 2nd line.
Defense I'm pretty much fine with, though I think the mins should be a little more evenly distributed in our 1st 2 pairings.... id like to see lindholm get more of a shot on the PP, even if its on the 2nd unit... hes pretty good at walking the line and creating shooting lanes... and has a surprisingly decent shot.
Fowler Montour
Lindholm Manson
Larsson ______ potential FA signing, or whatever young dmen earns the spot.
eternalbedhead
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Impossible. Such a lineup would require Carlyle to actually play his 4th line.
The Mighty Duck Man
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Henrique was pretty great at center, I'm not sure why there's a rush to switch him out. If anything you'd probably start Steel at left wing coming into the league (although I don't think I would).
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Bob said in his exit interview that it would be a system change and noted that Pavelski and couture aren’t fast but the system they played allowed them to consistently attack.
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The fourth line should be left for Grant and a couple of kids. No more old crappy veterans. 4th line vets can be found anywhere. We're better off finding out if any of these kids can play so we know if it's time to cut bait in some guys.
There's no excuse to be playing Kelly, Chimera etc type players over them anymore. You can get the same crappy result if they're no good
Dr Johnny Fever
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I think rookie camp in July will be more interesting than watching the September gong show. I may actually make an effort to attend.
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the sharks are not a fast team what Bob is failing to mention is the Sharks looked that way bc of our constant mistakes. I don't see much changing with Randy sticking around.
All I know is our window is closed with the status quo, it's time to try some kids out. Can't hurt, no more useless vets, it serves no short or long term purpose
I seriously doubt Steel will be able to center any of a top 3 line right away (and in a Randys system any of the lines, therefore). No one of us knows how it will go, but just imagine the jump he will have to make without ever even playing a game before.
I have optimism regarding Terry - because he very easily projects as a wing, not a center. There are chances they both start off as Gulls next year.
I have optimism regarding Terry - because he very easily projects as a wing, not a center. There are chances they both start off as Gulls next year.
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I would not rush both nor would I count on them being a factor next season. Terry needs to get much stronger and I fear Sam will need the same improvement. I think one year in San Diego would do wonders.
Yeah, I much much rather see them develop and improve in San Diego rather than trying to catch up with everyone in the NHL thus killing their potential, if they are not ready. A lot will depend what system changes there will be. I don`t think that nor Barzal, nor all the Boston youngster and definitely nor Keller are all ways ahead Steel and Terry on strenght department.
Who are the guys that Murray brought in for last year? The only forwards that weren't the prior year were: Henrique, and the 4th line scrubs (Grant is obviously not a scrub though). Some obvious guys are gone (Chimera, Kelly, Vermette), but you're adding Eaves back into the lineup. So again, unless we start trading players like Ritchie or Silfverberg, there really isn't any room to change it up that much.
This is what makes the decision to keep Carlyle even more asinine than it was. "We want to play faster. Same personnel, but want to play faster and we're sticking with same coach." Makes sense... f***ing idiot.
Let me say something just so we're clear: I don't disagree with what you're saying, but IMO, several are saying things with out putting much thought into this. Things like:
-Play the kids more. (including things like "Kossila, Terry, Steel, etc. deserve a shot"
-We need to play faster.
How do the people saying the first one expect that to happen? Assuming the RFAs all re-sign, we're currently:
Rakell-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg
Ritchie-Henrique-Kase
Eaves___-___-____
Lindholm-Manson
Fowler-Montour
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Gibson
Miller
Just not sure where people are seeing these changes. I understand the desire to see some of these kids, but do people really think changing the 4th line is going to make that much of a difference?
Edit: Forgot Eaves
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