Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread V | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[Nakawick]

Grigorrenko is a 23 year old C who wasn't qualified by the worst team in the league who is rebuilding. He isn't someone you win cups with as one of your 4c's.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He'd maybe lower down to a 55% faceoff-man if he did them consistently over a full season, which is still extremely good.

Grigorenko over his last 3 years is at a 47.8% on faceoffs while taking 870ish faceoffs. That's what I'd expect from him over a full season.

 

[clefty]

He'd maybe lower down to a 55% faceoff-man if he did them consistently over a full season, which is still extremely good.

Firstly, that's a ridiculous and arbitrary projection.

Secondly, Nick Bonino took more faceoffs last year than Grigorenko has in his whole career. And incidentally, his career faceoff percentage is a whopping 46.8.

Grigorrenko is a 23 year old C who wasn't qualified by the worst team in the league who is rebuilding. He isn't someone you win cups with as one of your 4c's.

I think he mostly plays left wing.

 

[Peat]

Grigorenko over his last 3 years is at a 47.8% on faceoffs while taking 870ish faceoffs. That's what I'd expect from him over a full season.

Which isn't bad for a young centre and given his improvement this season in a small sample, might continue trending up.

Thing is, I'd be happy to take might in a useful bottom 6 forward who hopefully works out at centre when he gets his game together. Is that Grigorenko? More useful than our other bottom 6 guys?

Would we rather than Grigorenko than Rowney?

 

[cygnus47]

Grigorrenko is a 23 year old C who wasn't qualified by the worst team in the league who is rebuilding. He isn't someone you win cups with as one of your 4c's.

Any GM that bases their moves purely on other GMs is dumb.

They're a terrible team that is poorly run at all levels, if anything you should do the opposite of whatever they're doing. Or you could make your own decisions. Think how bad Schultz looked on Edmonton.

 

[Nakawick]

Any GM that bases their moves purely on other GMs is dumb.

They're a terrible team that is poorly run at all levels, if anything you should do the opposite of whatever they're doing. Or you could make your own decisions. Think how bad Schultz looked on Edmonton.

I place a premiem on center quality and depth. Grigorenko has a long way to go.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Grigorenko over his last 3 years is at a 47.8% on faceoffs while taking 870ish faceoffs. That's what I'd expect from him over a full season.

Well I guess he has practiced on them, hasn't he? I'd understand if he had only taken maybe 50 faceoffs that the percentage may drop significantly, but somewhere around 200 is a good sample size.

 

[Riptide]

Grigorenko took less than 200 faceoffs last year. Probably a decent factor as to why he was at 57%.

He took 192, which is at least 2 a game. And won 57.8% of those. The only time he wasn't over 50% was on the PP (2/5), otherwise was strong in all 3 zones - especially the D zone draws - something we'll need if Cullen doesn't come back.

If we're looking for someone who's young, has some skill and can at least start with the puck more often then not... he seems like a great buy low candidate. Maybe it doesn't work out... but it's not like it would cost us anything to try.

 

[Riptide]

Full-time centers usually take well over 1,000 in a season, you know...

Even Malkin, who sucks at them, takes 800-900.

Sure. But the intent behind that post was that he didn't take enough draws to evaluate his ability due to the sample size. 192 faceoffs is not a ton by any means... but it is enough that you can determine that he can probably hold his own in the circle.

 

[Riptide]

Grigorrenko is a 23 year old C who wasn't qualified by the worst team in the league who is rebuilding. He isn't someone you win cups with as one of your 4c's.

Funny... I think we've heard that before.

 

[Riptide]

Grigorenko over his last 3 years is at a 47.8% on faceoffs while taking 870ish faceoffs. That's what I'd expect from him over a full season.

His entire time in Colorado he's only taken 541 faceoffs. So unless you're counting the faceoffs taken while in Buffalo - where he played a grande total of 68 games over 3 years... not sure how you're arriving at that number.

 

[clefty]

Sure. But the intent behind that post was that he didn't take enough draws to evaluate his ability due to the sample size. 192 faceoffs is not a ton by any means... but it is enough that you can determine that he can probably hold his own in the circle.

It really isn't. It's about five times less than normal.

And the reason he doesn't take many is because he doesn't even play much center in the first place.

I can't believe this is even being discussed at all. The guy is pretty awful, and I'm not just talking about faceoffs.

 

[BustaKapanen]

Seen someone mention girgensons. Man I like that kid alot. He'd be freaking perfect. Doubt they would want to get rid of him tho.

The thing about Cullen and bonino is they are freaking clutch face off guys. Seems like every time you think to yourself, man we have to win this draw. They do.

Looking at bones stats he had kind of alil dip to 47% in regular season. But raised it to 52% in playoffs.

Back to my original point I wonder what it would take to get zegmus off of botsy.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Something I wonder is how much we should be spending on back-up goaltending. Murray's injury history isn't great so far.

 

[Nakawick]

We have too many forwards signed as is to have him as a winger and hope he can somehow develop into a cup winning calibre center.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Something I wonder is how much we should be spending on back-up goaltending. Murray's injury history isn't great so far.

Well at least there is no world cup this year so he should come in healthy

I like Jarry and think he can handle it

 

[Nakawick]

Something I wonder is how much we should be spending on back-up goaltending. Murray's injury history isn't great so far.

I hope we can be a destination for a veteran goalie who was or is capable of being a starter. It would suck to have MM go down for a week or two in the playoffs and lose a series because Jarry isn't ready. Maybe Jarry is ready, but I would love if a vet came here cheap for a year.

 

[mpp9]

Doubt it'd happen, but who would move Maatta for Henrique?

20/20 last year with 14 goals at ES. 30 goals the year before. Plays as much PK time as Zajac. Took 1214 faceoffs last year (one more than Bonino) and slightly bettered him. Signed for a 4 mil cap hit for two more years. Could see him forming a nice duo with Phil's playmaking.

Has limited playoff experience but he performed well in their Cup run in 2012. Also seems to be a guy who raises his game in clutch situations.

 

[Peat]

Something I wonder is how much we should be spending on back-up goaltending. Murray's injury history isn't great so far.

17 back to backs too. Plus we want him nice and fresh for our cup run.

I don't think we need to go big as there's a few good guys who haven't been on much but we definitely need to go good.

 

[Peat]

Doubt it'd happen, but who would move Maatta for Henrique?

20/20 last year with 14 goals at ES. 30 goals the year before. Plays as much PK time as Zajac. Took 1214 faceoffs last year (one more than Bonino) and slightly bettered him. Signed for a 4 mil cap hit for two more years. Could see him forming a nice duo with Phil's playmaking.

Has limited playoff experience but he performed well in their Cup run in 2012. Also seems to be a guy who raises his game in clutch situations.

I don't hate the idea. I feel like they should add though and they'll feel like they shouldn't.

 

[66-30-33]

Last thread people talked about Yak...why? if he's confused where he is supposed to play in the O zone due to lack of hockey IQ how would he succeed here? He's not even worth a gamble because you can't fix his issues, he should be KHL bound.

 

[mpp9]

I don't hate the idea. I feel like they should add though and they'll feel like they shouldn't.

Shero loves Maatta as far as I know. And we have no high center prospect coming. Henrique is signed for what we hope Bonino would take without the term drawback.

Maatta makes more sense for the Devils as a young D locked up longterm who could help replace Larsson. We need a center who can help us win now.

If Bonino moves on, we're gonna have to overpay in free agency or downgrade. If we have to trade for one, I'd like that deal.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Shero loves Maatta as far as I know. And we have no high center prospect coming. Henrique is signed for what we hope Bonino would take without the term drawback.

Maatta makes more sense for the Devils as a young D locked up longterm who could help replace Larsson. We need a center who can help us win now.

If Bonino moves on, we're gonna have to overpay in free agency or downgrade. If we have to trade for one, I'd like that deal.

I like it in theory, but it leaves us needing a top 4 left D just as badly as we currently need a 3C. So I guess it depends on the market for each position.

 

[Peat]

Shero loves Maatta as far as I know. And we have no high center prospect coming. Henrique is signed for what we hope Bonino would take without the term drawback.

Maatta makes more sense for the Devils as a young D locked up longterm who could help replace Larsson. We need a center who can help us win now.

If Bonino moves on, we're gonna have to overpay in free agency or downgrade. If we have to trade for one, I'd like that deal.

And we then need to add a dman and in two years time have the same problem at centre. It's not like we've got a nice pipeline on the blueline to sort this problem either.

I feel like age and contract length says we have the more valuable asset there and I think our situations means we should be firm on that, unless we can see a top 4 dman just dropping into the laps somehow.

 

[JTG]

Bozak. Just do it JR.