2016 World Cup?
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Big Phil
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The NHL will obviously be behind this thing. I've heard 2015 or 2016. Probably the latter.
My guess is some of the European teams will play overseas for their round robin games and the US/Canada/Russia or whoever else will play in another division with most of the games in Canada.
You could do 8 teams I guess. 16 is too much. I would prefer that they do a best-of-3 in the final though. That provides some of the most epic hockey ever!
I will guess most of the games will be in Canada. Maybe Philadelphia or somewhere else gets a US game. But traditionally the cities hosting the final are Toronto, Montreal, Hamilton (at one time). So expect that. I'd be excited for that. I don't mind if they do a combined thing with the Olympics. The World Cup every 6 years or so is fine with me as well as participation in the Olympics.
My guess is some of the European teams will play overseas for their round robin games and the US/Canada/Russia or whoever else will play in another division with most of the games in Canada.
You could do 8 teams I guess. 16 is too much. I would prefer that they do a best-of-3 in the final though. That provides some of the most epic hockey ever!
I will guess most of the games will be in Canada. Maybe Philadelphia or somewhere else gets a US game. But traditionally the cities hosting the final are Toronto, Montreal, Hamilton (at one time). So expect that. I'd be excited for that. I don't mind if they do a combined thing with the Olympics. The World Cup every 6 years or so is fine with me as well as participation in the Olympics.
I agree. I would hope 2016.
To be honest, if we didn't have another Best on Best for 4 years, that would be okay with me. Too much of a good thing.
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I'd go with 8 teams. With Slovakia and the Czechs less competitive now than before, there are really only four teams that can win and maybe Finland. If you have more than 8 teams then it's too many filler games. The ideal format would be two groups of four with 6 group games and two teams advancing from each group followed by a semi-final and final but that would be too many games and their actual format would likely have no more than 6 or 7 games.
Minding that Slovakia isn't really what they used to be and Germany would be something of a joke, what about 6 teams? Hosted around Canada and the United States in various cities with and without NHL hockey. Everyone plays everyone and the best 4 advance to semi-finals.
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After the last CBO, wasn't another World Cup virtually a sure thing? The NHL and the NHLPA have to be the dumbest, slowest moving ****** out there.
Just have a meeting, get some Timmy's and pizza and hammer it out already. Bunch of lawyers, jeezuz.
Just have a meeting, get some Timmy's and pizza and hammer it out already. Bunch of lawyers, jeezuz.
MadLuke
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Yeah the Swiss could be the sixth team now.
If you just have 6 teams, a 5 games prelimary round, so we can see every team play every one, with the top 4 team going to the semi-finals then a best 3 final for the cup ?
With all respect, 16 teams is too much, at the moment there isn't enough depth for an international hockey tournament with that many teams to keep the tournament interesting
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16 teams, a World Cup of Hockey should show the World there are more than 8 nations who play hockey.
We have the IIHF World Championships for that. Really, the NHL size rink would just underline the already huge differences as exactly the worst teams have no experience in it.
cujoflutie
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I don't know how well this would fly but any chance they let the smaller countries team up; ie a Slovenia/Norway squad?
VMBM
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Previously I had thought that the Winter Olympics were enough, but waiting something for 4 years and then getting this kind of anti-climax like Sochi (although the games were ok) is just not good enough. Another best-on-best tournament is not such a bad idea after all, especially since the future of the Winter Olympics is still unclear, hockey-wise (i.e. will we see the best players also in 2018 and beyond?).
BUT there has to be some consistency/continuity... and not just some half-assed tournament played once in a blue moon which the players themselves don't care about. It will be tough to get it right.
Unfortunately, hockey is a very small sport. Another reminder of that was obviously seen in Sochi; when Russia was eliminated, there was not much feeling/athmosphere/interest left in the arena(s) anymore.
And when thinking about the past Canada Cups, there was still the great USSR-CAN rivalry, which alone made the tournaments exciting. Right now, Russia's no match for Canada, and maybe no one is... although I'm expecting great things from Team Finland in the future; if Finland gets ALL the best players + continues to play as a team as well as they've recently done, then "only sky is the limit".
Anyway, hopefully it will happen, and hopefully the top players in the world will be interested. But after Sochi, how eagerly do e.g. the best Russian players participate in these kind of tournaments in the future?
BUT there has to be some consistency/continuity... and not just some half-assed tournament played once in a blue moon which the players themselves don't care about. It will be tough to get it right.
Unfortunately, hockey is a very small sport. Another reminder of that was obviously seen in Sochi; when Russia was eliminated, there was not much feeling/athmosphere/interest left in the arena(s) anymore.
And when thinking about the past Canada Cups, there was still the great USSR-CAN rivalry, which alone made the tournaments exciting. Right now, Russia's no match for Canada, and maybe no one is... although I'm expecting great things from Team Finland in the future; if Finland gets ALL the best players + continues to play as a team as well as they've recently done, then "only sky is the limit".
Anyway, hopefully it will happen, and hopefully the top players in the world will be interested. But after Sochi, how eagerly do e.g. the best Russian players participate in these kind of tournaments in the future?
You do understand that NHL is pretty much just an organizer here and NHLPA's role is even smaller? If they want to organize the World Cup with the teams actually representing the countries you have to negotiate with IIHF and national federations. And if you want more teams to participate than USA, Canada and Sweden you need to negotiate with other leagues too especially if they want to organize the World Cup mid-season.
Meh, it could be nice.
But IIHF should demand an agreement for NHL players participating to next Olympics before sanctioning this tournament, to drop the idea that World Cup could replace Olympics in some shape or form.
But IIHF should demand an agreement for NHL players participating to next Olympics before sanctioning this tournament, to drop the idea that World Cup could replace Olympics in some shape or form.
This looks good! I think it needs to be enough games to get the teams to gel (cuz we want to see great hockey) and the best game is the final so why not 3 of them!
Theokritos
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IF they decide to go for it...
1) 12 teams in two groups of 6.
-Top 8 of the IIHF world ranking are in (as of now that would be Sweden, Finland, Canada, Russia, Czech Republic, USA, Switzerland, Slovakia).
-The rest of the world plays qualification tournaments for the 4 remaining spots (so most likely 4 out of the following countries would qualify: Norway, Latvia, Germany, France, Denmark, Slovenia, Belarus, Austria ...)
2) QF, SF and F all best of three.
3) Schedule two editions right away: one in North America (2016) and the next one in Europe (2020). You want to make sure they take it seriously on both sides of the Atlantic. Alternate the hosting is the way to go.
1) 12 teams in two groups of 6.
-Top 8 of the IIHF world ranking are in (as of now that would be Sweden, Finland, Canada, Russia, Czech Republic, USA, Switzerland, Slovakia).
-The rest of the world plays qualification tournaments for the 4 remaining spots (so most likely 4 out of the following countries would qualify: Norway, Latvia, Germany, France, Denmark, Slovenia, Belarus, Austria ...)
2) QF, SF and F all best of three.
3) Schedule two editions right away: one in North America (2016) and the next one in Europe (2020). You want to make sure they take it seriously on both sides of the Atlantic. Alternate the hosting is the way to go.
Theokritos
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Good question, 8 is not enough in today's hockey (do you really want to exclude the likes of Slovenia and Latvia from the go after their performances in Sochi?) and 16 is a bit much. I'd prefer 16 over 8 though, 8 is really a relict from the 70s/80s when there was no point in including smaller nations.
Namba 17
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I don't know the formula, but I'd like to see each top team plays against each and after that something like play-offs with series to 3 victories. Short tournament with one elimination game, where is a chance you'll never see some countries against each other - it's not what I like.
And it would be nice to have Olympic with it's usual formula and World cup with this formula, each 2 years.
And it would be nice to have Olympic with it's usual formula and World cup with this formula, each 2 years.
Do 10 teams. 2 groups of 5, top 3 in each group make the next round. Division winners get bye's into the Semi's and the other 2nd and 3rd place teams in each group play in the Quater-Finals. Winners of those games obviously move on to play the division winners in the Semi's.
You could have the 2nd place team in Group A play the 3rd place team in Group B and have the 2nd place team in Group B play the 3rd place team in Group A.
Example.
Group A Group B
-Canada - Sweden
-USA - Finland
-Russia - Slovakia
-Switzerland - Czech Republic
Canada and Sweden advance to Semi's. USA plays Slovakia in the QF's, Finland plays Russia in the QF's and so on and so forth.
Best of 3 in the final.
You could have the 2nd place team in Group A play the 3rd place team in Group B and have the 2nd place team in Group B play the 3rd place team in Group A.
Example.
Group A Group B
-Canada - Sweden
-USA - Finland
-Russia - Slovakia
-Switzerland - Czech Republic
Canada and Sweden advance to Semi's. USA plays Slovakia in the QF's, Finland plays Russia in the QF's and so on and so forth.
Best of 3 in the final.
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