I don't look at Bayern like that. I think they are right up there with the best clubs in the world, and should expect to be the best, not be happy going out to the eventual champion.
You are right that they've done what's expected of them in the league and the cups, but unless any team in the Bundesliga elevates to their level, that should be a requirement each season. I think expectations for the CL should be ambitious but not crazy. I'm not saying they should be winning it every year, but winning once in Pep's three years is a reasonable expectation.
The season isn't over, but we are talking about perceptions if they didn't win it this season.
Even the best teams in the world can't expect anything more than making it to the CL SF any given year...especially not when they're hit hard by injuries and enter the SF outgunned because of it. Yeah they should win a CL during his time there for it to be a smashing success, but expecting that the year he took over wasn't reasonable, especially after the core of that team had just won absolutely everything in sight over the previous 12 months and were satiated. Then look at the injuries they were battling last year and tell me that you really think Pep should've beaten Barca.
I get the notion that in three years he should win the CL with one of the 3 best clubs on the planet; but look at what's specifically happened in those CLs campaigns. You can't look at any of them and say his team should've gone any further than they did. If they get past Juve this year, despite their injuries in defense necessitating an Alaba-Kimmich CB pairing, that'll be a strong achievement in and of itself; but I already know the Pep doubters will paint it as just doing what he's supposed to. Even though Juve have had even less competition in Serie A, and can be even more dangerous than last year's finalists now that they have Dybala up top, Marchisio's no longer in Pirlo's shadow, Cuadrado & Sandro give them dangerous width, and Rugani's joined that much venerated CB rotation.
As for what they've done in the BuLi; it's easy to say that winning the saladbowl should be the requirement each season...but them dominating the way they have can not be expected as it's simply unprecedented. He's dominated more than Bayern managed to when most of the golden-era West German NT was in their lineup and they had one of the 3 greatest players of all time driving them from the back. Nevermind that even just winning the league was still something Pep's predecessors failed to do in 2 of the 3 seasons prior to his arrival. Winning the BuLi just isn't that easy, even with more money than BVB/S04/HSV/the-plastics. Jupp couldn't do it until that treble-season; and Jupp was a very strong manager in his own right; despite the BuLi having had much less depth in the european places then than it does now.
You know me, Mourinho isn't exactly my cup of tea and I don't respect him a whole lot, so I'm surprised you refer to him as if I'd pass him anything.
As for Pep, I was firmly against his choice to go to Bayern as well.
Lack of character to me. Going to FC Hollywood when they had a powerhouse was weak. And I can say I love every second of him getting asskicked out of the CL (though I can't say I loved Real beating them).
Him going to City is also weak to me. Money, money, money. As if he didn't have enough.
United, because of recent success and support and Arsenal because of the town would have made more sense.
As I said, Tottenham or a team with less media appeal would have been so much respectable. Building a winner from a decent team.
Here, he once again takes the best roster in the league. And the richest. Just like in every league.
That powerhouse had failed to win the league for multiple seasons before that Treble that they won because every player was at full focus all season long after the Vice-treble the year before. That focus was visible very early in the season, and it's not something that we get to see on a team-wide basis very often. Thinking of the way that team played during that unique season is why people have these warped expectations of Bayern under Pep; it leads folks to ignore the issues they had had prior to the boys 'winning one for Jupp'.
At least Madrid had an identity with Mourinho
And he had the balls to drop players who were not playing well
I...is this meant to be a critique of Pep? Cause he's absolutely changed Bayern's identity and dropped under-performing players.
So you think they lose the Bundesliga with a different manager?
There's a couple others who could've won it each season as well, but it's unlikely they'd have done it with as much dominance and that assumes that the guys with the tactical nuance capable of doing so would've been able to take over such an ego-rich locker-room. i.e. if they had gotten Mourinho, Prandelli, Conte, Allegri or Rafa instead they'd surely have lost 1 saladbowl, at least; but it's tough to say whether FC Hollywood would've followed someone like Tuchel or Favre, who had the tactical acumen to get it done. Simeone and Pellegrini probably could've won 2 league titles but it wouldn't have been a sure thing, and they wouldn't have been as dominant in doing so.
Plus none of those coaches would've gotten them past Barca last year, or gotten the satiated 2014 team to stop Real from winning La Decima.
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