2016 Draft Thread IV (June 24-25)

[KJ Dangler]

I'm as shocked and surprised as anyone by this pick, but I am reminded of a comment by Dan Rooney of the Steelers. When asked why they have been able to draft so well regardless of where they pick he responded, "We want players who fit into our team concept. Our entire staff knows what a Steeler looks like. I think you'll find other successful teams know what their type of player looks like- teams like the Ravens and the Patriots. Less successful teams, the Browns, Lions etc. usually take the best player available whether he fits their team or or not."

That video leads me to believe they think he's a Blue Jacket type player.

You are exactly right. At the beginning the scout says I thought this a few times this year, when we started last year , and jarmo had conference call with what we were looking for , size ,skill, hockey sense, hard to play against, ",

Clearly from the video, he fit best into what they are building as the identity of the Columbus blue jackets. Pittsburgh is a great analogy , as u mentioned they do this exact same thing . There is more to building a team , then focusing on just one aspect, pure skill. Maybe this is why Edmonton keeps drafting the consensus best player, year after year, and sees no improvement . Also, what the blue jackets are doing , is the exact same formula that the red wings have employed over the years in building there team thru the draft , they stick to that formula.

When we see the core that was built in the draft for St Louis , we just have to trust that Jarmo knows what he's doing . Wennberg, Werenski, are hard to argue with, and Rychel was very good for Lem, in the finals . Same thing with Dano . The only one that appears to not fit that mold , may be Milano ?

 

[JacketsDavid]

Well Jarmo will have to live and die with this pick. If Pulj goes on to become an elite player in the league it will be the thing Jarmo will be remembered for. If Dubois goes on to become a great player (better than Pulj) he'll be viewed as a genius.

What I don't get is why they wouldn't trade with Edmonton to move down a spot when Edmonton wanted Pulj. Just add a 3rd round pick and move on.
Now it does sound if Dubois was 100% the guy they wanted they likely couldn't trade down any further, because #5 also wanted him, but take the #4 and move on. As others mentioned it does sound like Jarmo blinked and made it obvious we were not taking Pulj at #3 so Edmonton knew they were in a good position, unless Jarmo could pull a trade.

Again like most others I'm not happy. Hopefully Jarmo's intel (whatever it is that most other scouts didn't know) is correct.

 

[BluejacketNut]

The problem with the Steelers analogy is that they've been a pretty successful team throughout the years and are picking in a spot that the picks can go either way. When youre drafting in a lottery pick slot, you pick the BPA and im not sold that JK is smarter than pretty much EVERYONE else in the hockey world.

 

[BluejacketNut]

What I don't get is why they wouldn't trade with Edmonton to move down a spot when Edmonton wanted Pulj. Just add a 3rd round pick and move on.

Because JK sucks as a GM. Chicago got 2 2nd round picks for Andrew Shaw

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

What I don't get is why they wouldn't trade with Edmonton to move down a spot when Edmonton wanted Pulj. Just add a 3rd round pick and move on.
Now it does sound if Dubois was 100% the guy they wanted they likely couldn't trade down any further, because #5 also wanted him, but take the #4 and move on. As others mentioned it does sound like Jarmo blinked and made it obvious we were not taking Pulj at #3 so Edmonton knew they were in a good position, unless Jarmo could pull a trade.

Ain't it quite of obvious that they might not be targeting the pre-draft top-3 hyped player if Blue Jackets would be willing to accept a deal to move past third?

I think it is perfectly good value at third to take the third ranked player on the only list which counts.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Ain't it quite of obvious that they might not be targeting the pre-draft top-3 hyped player if Blue Jackets would be willing to accept a deal to move past third?

I think it is perfectly good value at third to take the third ranked player on the only list which counts.

The list devised by the 26th best team in the league? I would argue may not be the best list.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

The problem with the Steelers analogy is that they've been a pretty successful team throughout the years and are picking in a spot that the picks can go either way. When youre drafting in a lottery pick slot, you pick the BPA and im not sold that JK is smarter than pretty much EVERYONE else in the hockey world.

The Steelers' history tells a different story. The Steelers were founded in 1933 by Dan Rooney's dad Art. If you think we waited a long time to make the playoffs, the Steelers first playoff game was 14 years after their inception in 1947. They lost that playoff game 21-0 to the Eagles. That would be Pittsburgh's last playoff game for 25 years. Fans annually complained they were the "same old Steelers." They had some great stars like Bobby Layne, John Henry Johnson, Ernie Stautner a great QB, FB and dominant defensive lineman.They drafted a number of players who they didn't develop well who became big stars elsewhere. Here are two: Johnny Unitas and Len Dawson- both went on to Hall of Fame QB careers elsewhere.They were a terrible team. Sound familiar?

In 1969, Art handed control of day to day operations to son Dan. Dan Rooney was the one who decided the Steelers first needed to decide who they were and then adopted the philosophy of only taking coaches, staff and players who fit the Steelers mold. Physical, aggressive, workmanlike and damn hard to play against. His first major hire was that year: Chuck Noll as Steelers coach. The 1969 team promptly went 1-13. To make matter even worse, Noll wasn't even Rooney's first choice. He first offered the job to Joe Paterno from Penn State who promptly declined. In 1970, the Steelers won a coin flip to pick first overall. They pick Terry Bradshaw. Bradshaw was anything but a lock to be their QB. In his first few years, the Steelers had an ongoing QB derby that included Joe Gilliam, Bradshaw and Notre Dame star Terry Hanratty. Fan hated Bradshaw, he threw 46 interceptions his first two years. To make it worse, he was sacked for a safety in his first 3 games. They compiled a 5-9 and then a 6-8 record. The fans and media constantly criticized Bradshaw. He was often called stupid, and he has no football sense. They were the same old Steelers! Dan was quietly building the team he envisioned. The team broke out the next year finishing 11-3 and seeing their first playoffs since 1947 - 25 years! They had a playoff run that took them all the way to the conference finals. It included the immaculate reception against the Raiders, but that's another story for another time. They won their division - the Central the next year and lost in the first round of the playoffs. Their next draft class was there best- taking four HOF players in one draft. The Steelers went 13-3-1 and won their first championship 42 years after they were founded. They went on to win championships 3 of the next five years and the Steelers tradition of excellence was firmly in place.

It started with Dan Rooney and his vision - What's a Steeler?

What if JD/JK have developed a vision? What's a Blue Jacket?

I don't know if that is going on. That video made me think of Dan Rooney. What if?

 

[JacketsDavid]

It started with Dan Rooney and his vision - What's a Steeler?

What if JD/JK have developed a vision? What's a Blue Jacket?

I get what you're saying but there is a major difference.

Rooney's are the owners and they have consistently hired the right people.

The McConnell's are the owners here and some things to consider:
1. They have made some bad hires (IDWT namely).
2. They had a coach (Hitch) who defined what a Blue Jacket is and helped lead them to the playoffs. They said they wanted to be a "Hitch" team (I was in that PSL holder meeting). Then the young guys got tired of being defensively responsible and the owners backed the players.

So maybe you can say that after 15 or so years that the McConnell's have learned something. Much as I respect Mr. Mac for bringing NHL hockey to Columbus they have very little in common with the Rooney family as far as being owners. One family/franchise finds a way to win Championships with often times an inferior team on paper, while the other one finds a way to lose and has never won a playoff series much less a championship. One family backs their coaches and has a long track record with them, the other shuffles through coaches every couple of years. One is fiscally responsible and let's it veteran players walk making tough choices, the other is nearly against the cap with a terrible record. One has added the right players to help it win, the other seemingly randomly adds pieces.

And I'm not a Steeler fan at all. But they are the model of how a franchise should be run. The CBJ are not.

PS - the JD/Jarmo vision of a CBJ player is almost identical to Hitch's vision. The McConnells turned their back on him and supported the players.

 

[Monk]

Because JK sucks as a GM. Chicago got 2 2nd round picks for Andrew Shaw

Or maybe Edmonton didn't want to?

EDIT: huh! Looks like Edmonton was going to trade down until JP fell to them.

 

[Nanabijou]

Surprised by the pick, but I give Jarmo a lot of slack when it comes to the draft. With Dubois #3 on their list, it is pretty clear that they were reasonably sure he wouldn't last past Vancouver. So, if they trade down to Calgary's spot, they had to be sure the return equals the drop to someone likely #5 or #6 on their list. That didn't happen.

As for trading with Edmonton, that is a tough trade to make. If they are talking trade at all, Edmonton knows that they might not be sold on Pulju as #3. The best the Jackets can do is try and bluff that they like Dubois and Pulju equally well, so are willing to let Edm pick their guy for a price. The Oil called the bluff...

 

[Cowumbus]

Please Jarmo get us Debrincat at 34, guy is Cam Atkinson 2.0, sleeper/steal in second round

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Not sold on the pick. Has less to do with loving Pulujarvi than it does not really liking PLD, but I guess we'll see. I'm obviously rooting for Dubois now.

Surprised at how far people were letting their disappointment take them, though, with a couple even toasting a (posssible) verbal dis of their city. The Jarmo might suck momentum built up so much throughout the day I guess in some quarters there was no stopping it. I'm anything but an apologist, but the lengths...

Anyway, to contribute to the "best thing about it" sub thread -- it's not having to read Pool Party as his nickname for the next however-many years. That's no effing horrible I can't even...

 

[TaketheCannoli]

I get what you're saying but there is a major difference.

Rooney's are the owners and they have consistently hired the right people.

The McConnell's are the owners here and some things to consider:
1. They have made some bad hires (IDWT namely).
2. They had a coach (Hitch) who defined what a Blue Jacket is and helped lead them to the playoffs. They said they wanted to be a "Hitch" team (I was in that PSL holder meeting). Then the young guys got tired of being defensively responsible and the owners backed the players.

So maybe you can say that after 15 or so years that the McConnell's have learned something. Much as I respect Mr. Mac for bringing NHL hockey to Columbus they have very little in common with the Rooney family as far as being owners. One family/franchise finds a way to win Championships with often times an inferior team on paper, while the other one finds a way to lose and has never won a playoff series much less a championship. One family backs their coaches and has a long track record with them, the other shuffles through coaches every couple of years. One is fiscally responsible and let's it veteran players walk making tough choices, the other is nearly against the cap with a terrible record. One has added the right players to help it win, the other seemingly randomly adds pieces.

And I'm not a Steeler fan at all. But they are the model of how a franchise should be run. The CBJ are not.

PS - the JD/Jarmo vision of a CBJ player is almost identical to Hitch's vision. The McConnells turned their back on him and supported the players.

You make some very valid points.

One major correction: While the Rooney's are the owners, Art Rooney consistently made the WRONG hires, the Steelers picked the wrong players and cut the right players for close to 50 years. It changed when Dan Rooney began managing the team for his father in 1969.

The Steelers were a terrible franchise for a long long time. A laughingstock. I grew up a Browns fan. For 20+ years the Browns represented excellence and the Steelers represented futility.

 

[JacketsDavid]

You make some very valid points.

One major correction: While the Rooney's are the owners, Art Rooney consistently made the WRONG hires, the Steelers picked the wrong players and cut the right players for close to 50 years. It changed when Dan Rooney began managing the team for his father in 1969.

The Steelers were a terrible franchise for a long long time. A laughingstock. I grew up a Browns fan. For 20+ years the Browns represented excellence and the Steelers represented futility.

I just really followed in late 70's and know that period. So I definitely stand corrected.

 

[The Jones Zone]

Jarmo at work for our next pick

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Please Jarmo get us Debrincat at 34, guy is Cam Atkinson 2.0, sleeper/steal in second round

While I was the only one here that wanted Dubois, looks like I have company in the "draft Debrincat" camp. I do like Abramov, the winger from Gatineau as well, but I have The Cat tops on my list for the 2nd round

 

[CBJFan827]

Now that we're not getting Pulju or Steel, I don't care who they draft, so long as there's no more players from the Q.

EDIT: to preempt the people who ask me why I feel this way, here's a list of every player Columbus has drafted out of the QMJHL, by far the weakest of the three Canadian junior leagues.

Louis Mandeville (9th, 2000)
Pascal Leclaire (1st, 2001)
Aaron Johnson (3rd, 2001)
Philippe Dupuis (4th, 2003)
Mathieu Gravel (8th, 2003)
Alexandre Picard (1st, 2004)
Petr Pohl (5th, 2004)
Justin Vienneau (7th, 2004)
Derick Brassard (1st, 2006)
Maxime Frechette (5th, 2006)
Matt Marquardt (7th, 2006)
Jakub Voracek (1st, 2007)
Steven Delisle (4th, 2008)
David Savard (4th, 2009)
Petr Straka (2nd, 2010)
Mathieu Corbeil (4th, 2010)
Julien Pelletier (4th, 2014)
Oliver Leblanc (7th, 2014)

 

[Jackets16]

Jarmo at work for our next pick

Yep, because our picks by Jarmo have just been so bad.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Jarmo at work for our next pick

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I might be on team trade down. We need more picks. We'll see what happens

 

[JacketsDavid]

I might be on team trade down. We need more picks. We'll see what happens

That's what I'm thinking too.

 

[hardkorejackets]

I wouldn't mind seeing us draft Debrincat, but I just don't see it

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC now3 seconds ago

Hearing Kulikov to BUF. Not sure of return yet.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

I'm as shocked and surprised as anyone by this pick, but I am reminded of a comment by Dan Rooney of the Steelers. When asked why they have been able to draft so well regardless of where they pick he responded, "We want players who fit into our team concept. Our entire staff knows what a Steeler looks like. I think you'll find other successful teams know what their type of player looks like- teams like the Ravens and the Patriots. Less successful teams, the Browns, Lions etc. usually take the best player available whether he fits their team or or not."

That video leads me to believe they think he's a Blue Jacket type player.

You will find that most successful teams also have many real good players. The Steelers became great after their roster was filled with future Hall of Famers not before.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie now1 minute ago

BUF is sending Mark Pysyk and picks to FLA for Dmitri Kulikov.