GDT: 2016-17 NHL Playoffs Thread - II

[Therick67]

Crosby is right in front of him, not like he's got to turn his head to look for him. He's also looking for that puck thing.

 

[BMC]

Like or Hate Crosby and the Pens, its not good to see him like that.

Ovy being Ovy with a dirty play to start the whole thing off.

When Ovy came into the NHL I thought he was going to be great for the game. He was an excellent player yes but also brought a lot of enthusiasm. Instead he's turned into a world class dirt bag.

 

[Lobster57]

Crosby is right in front of him, not like he's got to turn his head to look for him. He's also looking for that puck thing.

yep, if you view the incident through the lens of Niskanen trying to hurt Crosby, the only reason he wouldn't be looking at him is one of plasuible deniability. If you view it through the lens of "guy playing hockey" it actually makes sense, because knowing where the puck is happens to be an important part of playing hockey

 

[rocketdan9]

Sens looking like the luckiest team this playoffs... Most of the bounces (and calls) going their way

 

[Ladyfan]

The hit was so not intentional.

I hope Sid will be OK. He sometimes gets on my nerves but he is such a great player.

 

[Ladyfan]

Like or Hate Crosby and the Pens, its not good to see him like that.

Ovy being Ovy with a dirty play to start the whole thing off.

I saw that . He gets away with SO much

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Disagree, Niskanen had no interference from another player, no reason to line him up and plenty of time to avoid crosschecking him in the head. I can see why people could claim it was unintentional, but Niskanen has the skill and awareness to avoid doing what he did. Hell, he even changed direction after Crosby started to fall. . .

Here's a little newsflash for you, Niskanen is just as entitled to that space as Crosby is. Niskanen had the awareness to determine that a player was going for the same piece of real estate that he was and braced himself for a collision. It was unfortunate that Crosby was on his knees and took the shot in the helmet instead of the arm/chest, where contact would have been made if he was more upright.

I don't think we'd be talking about that hit if it didn't happen to Crosby.

I think if a player is lining up to hit another player yes he's going to be looking at him to make sure he hits the guy, after all the guy has the ability to move to avoid contact. I don't see Niskanen doing that here but of course I can't read his mind as to his intention to injure Crosby or not.

This and this.

This further confuses me.

I think the Niskanen hit was dirty and purposeful. I can't believe that it isn't going to be subject to further discipline.

We've seen far less get punished more severely.

I am 180 degrees away from you on this. Niskanen WAS punished, he missed almost the entire game on what was a judgement call IMO. It was a hockey play where two guys collided and one got the worst of it. I have seen that happen in games many times and nothing is called if both players get up.

I saw that . He gets away with SO much

So does Crosby.


One could make the argument that Crosby, if he were punished the way other players are, has more of a "history" than Niskanen. Both he, Ovechkin, Subban, and a few select others have gotten away with stuff that would have cost Marchand many, many games.

 

[Ladyfan]

Here's a little newsflash for you, Niskanen is just as entitled to that space as Crosby is. Niskanen had the awareness to determine that a player was going for the same piece of real estate that he was and braced himself for a collision. It was unfortunate that Crosby was on his knees and took the shot in the helmet instead of the arm/chest, where contact would have been made if he was more upright.


One could make the argument that Crosby, if he were punished the way other players are, has more of a "history" than Niskanen. Both he, Ovechkin, Subban, and a few select others have gotten away with stuff that would have cost Marchand many, many games.

I agree with you.

His "Rep" would be worse than Brad's if he got called for all of the stuff he does.

 

[Over the volcano]

Here's a little newsflash for you, Niskanen is just as entitled to that space as Crosby is. Niskanen had the awareness to determine that a player was going for the same piece of real estate that he was and braced himself for a collision. It was unfortunate that Crosby was on his knees and took the shot in the helmet instead of the arm/chest, where contact would have been made if he was more upright.

Sure he has right to that space- he doesn't have the right to get his head with a crosscheck (again, made the move toward him after Crosby started falling).

Totally agree that it's getting more attention b/c its Crosby, but IMO its a dirtbag play no matter who's on the receiving end (except for Cooke maybe).

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Sure he has right to that space- he doesn't have the right to get his head with a crosscheck (again, made the move toward him after Crosby started falling).

Totally agree that it's getting more attention b/c its Crosby, but IMO its a dirtbag play no matter who's on the receiving end (except for Cooke maybe).

I have watched the play many, many times. You have your interpretation and I have mine...and never the two shall meet. I'm not even sure he deserved two minutes, let alone 5 and the game.

 

[Hali33]

I think the majority of battles in the crease will look malicious and dirty if you slow them down and freeze frame the contact.

Those battles go on 10 times a game. We are talking about it because it happened to Crosby. If the roles are reversed it's not a major penalty. And Crosby is just as likely as anyone else to take his questionable shots at another player.

 

[TMac21]

Sid diagnosed with a concussion as per the Pens.

 

[PB37]

I feel bad for Sid. I don't feel bad for that organization. They continued to employ and defend pukes like Matt Cooke and Ulf Samuelsson and with a cry-baby at the helm like Mario....yeah, **** 'em.

 

[Lady Rhian]

Hey, Ex-Bruins discussion! Where's the playoff thread?

Last I knew, Looch is still in the playoffs? In my post, I discussed several issues going on in the current Oilers/Duck series. Crosby and Ovi, etc, aren't former Bruins, but are discussed in this thread because they are currently playing in the playoffs, right?

 

[Aeroforce]

I feel terrible about Crosby being concussed again.

While still a ways off, Crosby vs. McDavid would be great hockey, and superb for the league. Without a rooting interest, watching the two best players in the world go head to head in a seven game series for the Cup would pique my interest.

We can go back and forth on how much certain teams trap; I don't think anyone is going to change the mind of someone else. But I'll side with Quenneville/Kane on watching Nashville, and we all know what the Sens do. Heck, even the Rangers.

I know some B's fans want to see PK Subban bring the Cup to Montreal; but I don't think that would chap Habs fans the way many think. The majority of them were vehemently against trading Subban, and if anything, it would just prove they were right.

Still a lot of hockey to be played, and I've maintained at least some interest. But if marquee players continue to go down, that could wane.

 

[patty59]

I have watched the play many, many times. You have your interpretation and I have mine...and never the two shall meet. I'm not even sure he deserved two minutes, let alone 5 and the game.

It's definitely a penalty since you are always supposed to be in control of your stick. The fact that the play casued an injury si why it got upgraded to a major and game. I don't think it was intentional, I think it was a player bracing him self for contact, Crosby was falling because he clipped skates with Ovechkin, to be honest I think they got this one pretty right. I suppose a case could be made that Ovechkin slashed him and warranted a minor penalty, but those types of calls around the net get let go all the time and I doubt they're giving the Pens a full 2 minute 5 on 3 out of that play.

 

[bobbyorr04]

In game one, there was a bit of a scruff at the end of the Oilers/Ducks game, and Getzlaugh was being a bully toward Sekera, a guy smaller than himself and isn't a fighter. In game two, they had Looch out the last minute of play, and strange enough, Getzlaugh didn't make a peep out of him, nor did the rest of his linemates. When Looch is on the ice, he's a bit of a policeman, so to speak. Oh, and I might add that in the first period of the first game of their series, Getzlaugh chopped Looch twice in the back of his legs with his stick, no call. Then another oiler slugged him right after, no call. When Looch retaliated, guess who went to the box for two minutes? Kind of like watching the Bruins/Sens series, in terms of reffing.

Once a Bruin, always a Bruin in the eyes of the officials!

 

[GloryDaze4877]

It's definitely a penalty since you are always supposed to be in control of your stick. The fact that the play casued an injury si why it got upgraded to a major and game. I don't think it was intentional, I think it was a player bracing him self for contact, Crosby was falling because he clipped skates with Ovechkin, to be honest I think they got this one pretty right. I suppose a case could be made that Ovechkin slashed him and warranted a minor penalty, but those types of calls around the net get let go all the time and I doubt they're giving the Pens a full 2 minute 5 on 3 out of that play.

It has nothing to do with this one play, but I have always felt that you call the play, not the result. That's a cop out. I probably would have given Ovi 2 and Niskanen 2. It was unfortunate that Crosby was hurt, but I would not have called the 5 and a game just because he did.

If Niskanen and Sid were going for the puck and MN got his stick in Crosby's skate, he fell, slid 10 feet, hit the boards and separated his shoulder, he would get two for tripping. Should he get a major and a game just because Crosby got hurt?

 

[TP]

I feel bad for Sid. I don't feel bad for that organization. They continued to employ and defend pukes like Matt Cooke and Ulf Samuelsson and with a cry-baby at the helm like Mario....yeah, **** 'em.

Agree with Veddar.

 

[sarge88]

I am 180 degrees away from you on this. Niskanen WAS punished, he missed almost the entire game on what was a judgement call IMO. It was a hockey play where two guys collided and one got the worst of it. I have seen that happen in games many times and nothing is called if both players get up.

I still see it as much worse than a lot of things that have garnered suspensions, and more intentionally dirty than a lot of people seem to think it is.

For instance, when comparing what Niskanen did with Marchand ducking under a hard charging Sami Salo, I think the Niskanen act is much worse.

 

[Fossy21]

Last I knew, Looch is still in the playoffs? In my post, I discussed several issues going on in the current Oilers/Duck series. Crosby and Ovi, etc, aren't former Bruins, but are discussed in this thread because they are currently playing in the playoffs, right?

That's fine, but it was 3 or so pages where 90% of posts had nothing to do with his or his team's performance in the playoffs, but his performance with the Bruins 3-4+ years ago. Even then, any overlap would make it more suitable for that thread than this one. Any and all former Bruins players could be discussed in many other threads, but that specific one exists for a reason.

Sure he has right to that space- he doesn't have the right to get his head with a crosscheck (again, made the move toward him after Crosby started falling).

Totally agree that it's getting more attention b/c its Crosby, but IMO its a dirtbag play no matter who's on the receiving end (except for Cooke maybe).

He watches the play unfold, sees through the corner of his eye a player approaching, and braces for impact. If that player is low... sucks for him. Caps could've had several suspensions after their last game against the Bruins, won't pretend to be surprised if they don't get hit with suspensions in the playoffs for lesser (if at all) infractions.

 

[BMC]

I feel bad for Sid. I don't feel bad for that organization. They continued to employ and defend pukes like Matt Cooke and Ulf Samuelsson and with a cry-baby at the helm like Mario....yeah, **** 'em.

This x 1,000,000.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword. No sympathy from me for the Flightless Birds.

 

[bp13]

I feel bad for Sid. I don't feel bad for that organization. They continued to employ and defend pukes like Matt Cooke and Ulf Samuelsson and with a cry-baby at the helm like Mario....yeah, **** 'em.

Right there with you. He's a great player and hockey fans are worse off when he's out. But of course that organization can suck it.

 

[bp13]

I have watched the play many, many times. You have your interpretation and I have mine...and never the two shall meet. I'm not even sure he deserved two minutes, let alone 5 and the game.

I agree with you. Zero premeditation there...that's an instinctive reaction. If you have to give him a penalty for not taking care of his stick around a guy's head then call it a minor or double minor, but 5 and a game was an overreaction. Game misconduct there seems to indicate "intent" to injure, which is a laughable interpretation of that play, IMO.

And I hate the Capitals.

 

[LouJersey]

I agree with you. Zero premeditation there...that's an instinctive reaction. If you have to give him a penalty for not taking care of his stick around a guy's head then call it a minor or double minor, but 5 and a game was an overreaction. Game misconduct there seems to indicate "intent" to injure, which is a laughable interpretation of that play, IMO.

And I hate the Capitals.

Well said and I agree 100%