2016-17 Kings Roster Part 2

[kingsfan28]

You mean because Gaborik was hurt, Pearson was suspended, and because Mersch et. al. couldn't beat him out? I do too.

Actually I don't I remember him playing an effective third line with Brown and Dowd but whatevs.

It still blows my mind that he didn't win a spot considering how highly the org rated him. Did he take the spot for granted, and thought he was a lock?

 

[Omni Owl]

It always irked me how DL went after Purcell instead of Versteeg/Vrbata in the offseason.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Sam Gagner, PA Parenteau could have been signed, right? King fans always give Dean a pass saying "well he didn't give them a lot of money". That's correct but if you add up ALL the money Dean wasted this summer on players most fans would have agreed did not fit the Sutter mold and failed miserably one solid player could have been signed.

That especially rings true with regards to Purcell. Versteeg could've been brought back but for some unexplained reason they figured Purcell was an upgrade?

Funny enough, Dean used to do this in San Jose too. He signed up a bunch of washed up, former Kings in the late 90s.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Interviews from Rosen indicate that Kings always wanted to bring up the youngsters around the All-Star break (these were interviews from Nov/Dec). They just needed a few warm bodies to sit on the bench/pressbox while the youngsters got playing time in the AHL. Now that the youngsters are up, they can cast off the vets.

I think the plan from the get go was to sink or swim with the young guys. Anyone who thought the vets were brought in for impact are out to lunch.

I guess Dean Lombardi was out to lunch then when he signed Purcell.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2016/07/01/kings-sign-purcell-for-one-year-1-6m/

 

[kingsfan28]

Sam Gagner, PA Parenteau could have been signed, right? King fans always give Dean a pass saying "well he didn't give them a lot of money". That's correct but if you add up ALL the money Dean wasted this summer on players most fans would have agreed did not fit the Sutter mold and failed miserably one solid player could have been signed.

You could add Grabner to that list too. He has done extremely well in NY scoring 26 goals and is a plus 28, for basically what we paid fro Purcell.

When I look at what DL did this summer, every one was a bust and aside from Zatkoff who also falls in the bust catagory, they were either waived, traded or are in Ontario.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Aside from Budaj (who wasn't intended to be in LA), who was the last good free agent signing who made an impact? Would it be Willie Mitchell?

 

[LAKings88]

It was a head scratcher of a summer. I expected better from Purcell and Zatkoff.

I feel like he wasted too much time on Lucic and then scrambled.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Muzzin was also a free agent signing that summer.

The kings won 2 cups in 3 years with a WCF sandwiched in there. There was no need to go heavily for UFAs during that period. Even in 2014-2015, there was the expectation that contending status would continue and thus no need for UFAs that year.

 

[driller1]

I guess Dean Lombardi was out to lunch then when he signed Purcell.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2016/07/01/kings-sign-purcell-for-one-year-1-6m/

What else was DL going to say? We think he's press box fodder? I for one never believed the Purcell signing was going to amount to anything. I don't think any $1.6M signing was going to impact anything. Hard to believe anyone thought we were getting a Top 6 guy who was going to play Sutter hockey for that price.

I think it's fair to ask what could we have gotten if we collected all the dumpster dive salaries and gone after a higher priced guy, but I just don't remember who was available for $2.5-$3MM.

I still maintain that 1 decent FA or no FAs, we would sink or swim depending on the development of our young guys.

 

[Kingspiracy]

You've got to have those placeholder journeymen players though, otherwise you're gifting a spot to a prospect. If a prospect can't outplay the gooch/ purcell/ gilbert/ shooter tutor to a place on the team then they don't deserve to be in the NHL. We'd end up like the old oilers.

 

[Telos]

Meh, the free agent signings last summer were just stopgap life raft signings to either get us to the trade deadline or be sem-useful. I can't see how it would matter either way. They were no risk, filler, signings due to a very restrained cap situation.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I think this is where Dean Lombardi is going in less than 2 years.

Let King, Purcell, Nolan, Greene go when their contracts are up. McNabb is taken by vegas. Re-sign shore, brodzinski, andreoff, mersch, gravel, ladue for an average of $1 million - probably will be less but call it that. (thanks Kings4thecup!). these contracts should still be in play for the 2018-2019 season.

for 2018, the kings have 10 players signed for $52,886,894. Plus the above 6. Sign Campbell as the backup for $1 million. Toffoli and Pearson get re-signed for $9.5 million or so. 19 contracts.

Re-sign Dowd and Forbort. I'm hoping $2 million each.

But during the summer, teams can go 10% over the cap. Only trade Clifford and Gaborik and maybe Lewis (replace with amadio) if the below happens.

Move Carter to wing as the Gaborik replacement. Go for Tavares is he's available - remember signing him requires no assets just cap space. May also have to trade one of Martinez/Muzzin for this to work but the major points are there.

Brown--Kopitar--Carter 5,875,000--10,000,000--5,272,727
Toffoli--Tavares--Pearson 6,000,000--10,000,000--3,500,000
Kempe--Dowd--Brodzinski 894,167--2,000.000 (RFA)--1,000,000 (RFA)
Mersch--Shore--Lewis 1,000,000--1,000,000--2,000,000
Total: 48,541,727

Forbort--Doughty 2,000,000--7,000,000
LaDue--Muzzin 1.000.000--4,000.000
Gravel--Martinez 1,000.000--4,000,000
Total: 19,000,000

Quick 5,800,000
campbell 1,000,000
Total: 6,800,000

Total: 74,341,727

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Well with Gilbert and Purcell combined alone that's $3M in cap space. They didn't gain much relief by assigning them to Ontario either. With Setoguchi, that puts it up to $3.575M in space.

Versteeg, who signed for $950K has 10 goals and 23 points.

Gagner, who was 26 at the time, signed for $650K. He has 14 goals and 34 points. I think the Kings are paying a certain center $10M for similar numbers (and less goals).

Justin Schultz, who was a UFA that Pittsburgh re-signed at $1.4M (same money as Gilbert), has 39 points.

Believe it or not, Eric Staal signed a 3-year deal worth $3.5M per year. He has 44 points.

The Caps signed Brett Connolly for $850K, he has 12 goals this season.

Thomas Vanek at $2.6M has 14 goals and 36 points.

Michael Grabner is earning $1.65M and has 26 goals. He's also really fast, so he wouldn't fit in here.

Patrick Eaves signed for $1M. He has 21 goals and 35 points.

These are some examples of some low risk signings that have paid off immensely and exceeded expectations.

Then again, most of these players would probably fail to produce playing here. They'd likely wind up playing sparingly like what happened with Purcell.

 

[Stimpythecat]

This is for 2018-2019.

Sure it's more than the current cap of $73 million. But it's 2 years from now. the last time the cap was flat was 2010 but that was off of data from 2008-2009.

2008 was the worst financial crisis since the Depression. Since 2010 and even factoring in the lockout reduction, the cap has gone up an average of $2.3 million but is on a current down trend.

Estimates are 0-2 million increase for next year but may be flat. It has not been flat 2 years in a row. So over a 2 year period I would think it goes up. And that's where Andreoff and Amadio and trading lewis and one of Muzzin/Martinez comes into play.

This has to be done or Doughty is gone when he hits UFA status.

 

[Winger23]

Well with Gilbert and Purcell combined alone that's $3M in cap space. They didn't gain much relief by assigning them to Ontario either. With Setoguchi, that puts it up to $3.575M in space.

Versteeg, who signed for $950K has 10 goals and 23 points.

Gagner, who was 26 at the time, signed for $650K. He has 14 goals and 34 points. I think the Kings are paying a certain center $10M for similar numbers (and less goals).

Justin Schultz, who was a UFA that Pittsburgh re-signed at $1.4M (same money as Gilbert), has 39 points.

Believe it or not, Eric Staal signed a 3-year deal worth $3.5M per year. He has 44 points.

The Caps signed Brett Connolly for $850K, he has 12 goals this season.

Thomas Vanek at $2.6M has 14 goals and 36 points.

Michael Grabner is earning $1.65M and has 26 goals. He's also really fast, so he wouldn't fit in here.

Patrick Eaves signed for $1M. He has 21 goals and 35 points.

These are some examples of some low risk signings that have paid off immensely and exceeded expectations.

Then again, most of these players would probably fail to produce playing here. They'd likely wind up playing sparingly like what happened with Purcell.

Your last statement summed it up. There's no way these guys produce with this system. Could you imagine how many goals Carter would have playing somewhere like Washington?

 

[Ollie Weeks]

And it's not like guys are lined up waiting for LA to pass on them. They have to want to come here.

 

[Telos]

Well with Gilbert and Purcell combined alone that's $3M in cap space. They didn't gain much relief by assigning them to Ontario either. With Setoguchi, that puts it up to $3.575M in space.

Versteeg, who signed for $950K has 10 goals and 23 points.

Gagner, who was 26 at the time, signed for $650K. He has 14 goals and 34 points. I think the Kings are paying a certain center $10M for similar numbers (and less goals).

Justin Schultz, who was a UFA that Pittsburgh re-signed at $1.4M (same money as Gilbert), has 39 points.

Believe it or not, Eric Staal signed a 3-year deal worth $3.5M per year. He has 44 points.

The Caps signed Brett Connolly for $850K, he has 12 goals this season.

Thomas Vanek at $2.6M has 14 goals and 36 points.

Michael Grabner is earning $1.65M and has 26 goals. He's also really fast, so he wouldn't fit in here.

Patrick Eaves signed for $1M. He has 21 goals and 35 points.

These are some examples of some low risk signings that have paid off immensely and exceeded expectations.

Then again, most of these players would probably fail to produce playing here. They'd likely wind up playing sparingly like what happened with Purcell.

Pretty much. Not to mention there are 29 other teams in the league (for now). Just because they signed cheap doesn't mean they would have come here. Not all of them would want to toil on our fourth line and head to Ontario. They have a better opportunity to play on many of those teams.

 

[Johnny Utah]

What annoys me is what is the total of you add up Latta, Trotman, Purcell, Gilbert, Seto and Zatkoff?

I'm guessing 5 -5.5 million total?

Are you telling me the Kings couldn't have found 1-2 players with that money?

Granted they just dumped Gilbert and Latta- that is only 2 million of the 5.

 

[YP44]

Well with Gilbert and Purcell combined alone that's $3M in cap space. They didn't gain much relief by assigning them to Ontario either. With Setoguchi, that puts it up to $3.575M in space.

Versteeg, who signed for $950K has 10 goals and 23 points.

Gagner, who was 26 at the time, signed for $650K. He has 14 goals and 34 points. I think the Kings are paying a certain center $10M for similar numbers (and less goals).

Justin Schultz, who was a UFA that Pittsburgh re-signed at $1.4M (same money as Gilbert), has 39 points.

Believe it or not, Eric Staal signed a 3-year deal worth $3.5M per year. He has 44 points.

The Caps signed Brett Connolly for $850K, he has 12 goals this season.

Thomas Vanek at $2.6M has 14 goals and 36 points.

Michael Grabner is earning $1.65M and has 26 goals. He's also really fast, so he wouldn't fit in here.

Patrick Eaves signed for $1M. He has 21 goals and 35 points.

These are some examples of some low risk signings that have paid off immensely and exceeded expectations.

Then again, most of these players would probably fail to produce playing here. They'd likely wind up playing sparingly like what happened with Purcell.

The last sentence is the thing. It's not just the player but the fit. I have no problems with the guys DL signed as they were all low risk signings. Granted not a one has panned out, but better than doing nothing.

The above is cherry picking a bit, but the point is valid. Would be nice for one of these low risk signings to actually turn into high reward...or even mediocre reward. Setoguchi is the best story we have from this offseason as he was on a PTO and earned a contract right?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Well with Gilbert and Purcell combined alone that's $3M in cap space. They didn't gain much relief by assigning them to Ontario either. With Setoguchi, that puts it up to $3.575M in space.

Versteeg, who signed for $950K has 10 goals and 23 points.

Gagner, who was 26 at the time, signed for $650K. He has 14 goals and 34 points. I think the Kings are paying a certain center $10M for similar numbers (and less goals).

Justin Schultz, who was a UFA that Pittsburgh re-signed at $1.4M (same money as Gilbert), has 39 points.

Believe it or not, Eric Staal signed a 3-year deal worth $3.5M per year. He has 44 points.

The Caps signed Brett Connolly for $850K, he has 12 goals this season.

Thomas Vanek at $2.6M has 14 goals and 36 points.

Michael Grabner is earning $1.65M and has 26 goals. He's also really fast, so he wouldn't fit in here.

Patrick Eaves signed for $1M. He has 21 goals and 35 points.

These are some examples of some low risk signings that have paid off immensely and exceeded expectations.

Then again, most of these players would probably fail to produce playing here. They'd likely wind up playing sparingly like what happened with Purcell.

Versteeg tried to go overseas because he didn't catch on anywhere here...and finally had to settle on a PTO with the Oilers before signing with the Flames. Versteeg signed me because I thought he hustled here and looked decend and the numbers backed that up. I do think the ball was in DLs court on this one and I was miffed he walked in favor of the schlubs we got.

But the rest? Come on.

Gagner bounced the entire league and couldn't even get re-signed in Philly or Arizona. He was likely Europe bound, but CBJ brought him aboard smartly....do you think he'd be used the same way here? He's a PP specialist and hidden on the 4th line the rest of the time. Talk about a bad fit for LA...he has 16 even-strength points with cushy usage.

Justin Schultz was a UFA in name alone, he wasn't testing the market.

Eric Staal is another resurgence gamble but if he would have signed here everyone would have called DL a dumpster diver. He was atrocious in NYR. You really wanted another 30+ player?

6/5/16:

Eric Staal sucks.

Connolly would have been a more interesting gamble at youth/upside but Washington is oozing forward depth. Color me unimpressed that he has 12 goals on a team that ridiculous. Tied for 6th in goals. He has 18 overall points. Guys get executed around here for less. 13th in overall scoring on that team, around guys like Winnik and Tom Wilson. Im pretty sure the Washington to Kings scoring translator is something like .33 as well However, it DOES sound like he is growing there playing on the third line.

**** Vanek, that guy is trash and a ghost and I hope he rots in Detroit.

Grabner is similar to Gagner, no one wanted him. Most thought he was off to Europe. All he had was his speed and that was hampered initially by surgery. Fast guy, can't score? Can you imagine how that would have gone here?

Patrick Eaves is simply having a career year on an offensive team. But another guy who was a UFA in name alone, he's been signing year after year in Dallas. It would be akin to King's 15 goal year. It happens to depth player sometimes. If we signed him as a top six option. DL should be executed.

Context. Other GMs have made lots of low-risk signings that have bombed. We just don't hear about them because we're not looking for them. Plus, as others have mentioned, role + fit...

 

[The Tikkanen]

What annoys me is what is the total of you add up Latta, Trotman, Purcell, Gilbert, Seto and Zatkoff?

I'm guessing 5 -5.5 million total?

Are you telling me the Kings couldn't have found 1-2 players with that money?

Granted they just dumped Gilbert and Latta- that is only 2 million of the 5.

That's the real issue that can't be argued away. The total for the dumpster dive equals one impact LW. Did any of the better options want to come to LA? No way to know or argue that. The point is Dean WASTED a #1 LW worth of money this summer. Not only that but the type of player that was signed did not fit the Sutter mold. Purcell has been a soft, floating wing for years. He does not go hard into the corners, cycle the puck or elevate the play of his linemates and hasn't for years. Edmonton didn't want him. Gilbert is almost the same exact player. Gilbert is a soft, offensive defenseman who needs PP time to put up points. Not gonna happen in LA and again-Edmonton said no thanks. Edmonton has started to turn the corner into a good team this season but before this started if they said no thanks you could bet your butt the player was done in the NHL. So if the ploy was merely to sign stop gap players until the break, which is complete speculation on fans part, the type of player that was signed was a huge waste of finances knowing what we know of the head coach.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's the real issue that can't be argued away. The total for the dumpster dive equals one impact LW. Did any of the better options want to come to LA? No way to know or argue that. The point is Dean WASTED a #1 LW worth of money this summer. Not only that but the type of player that was signed did not fit the Sutter mold. Purcell has been a soft, floating wing for years. He does not go hard into the corners, cycle the puck or elevate the play of his linemates and hasn't for years. Edmonton didn't want him. Gilbert is almost the same exact player. Gilbert is a soft, offensive defenseman who needs PP time to put up points. Not gonna happen in LA and again-Edmonton said no thanks. Edmonton has started to turn the corner into a good team this season but before this started if they said no thanks you could bet your butt the player was done in the NHL. So if the ploy was merely to sign stop gap players until the break, which is complete speculation on fans part, the type of player that was signed was a huge waste of finances knowing what we know of the head coach.

Who is this mythical impact top-line LW that we missed out on by signing depth parts to compete?

 

[KingsFan7824]

Sam Gagner, PA Parenteau could have been signed, right? King fans always give Dean a pass saying "well he didn't give them a lot of money". That's correct but if you add up ALL the money Dean wasted this summer on players most fans would have agreed did not fit the Sutter mold and failed miserably one solid player could have been signed.

Kings fans also always list guys like Gagner or Parenteau as after the fact signings. Who was lining up to sign Gagner last summer? Nobody. Not even Columbus gave him a lot of money. That's like saying Budaj was a great signing. No, it just worked out that way.

What annoys me is what is the total of you add up Latta, Trotman, Purcell, Gilbert, Seto and Zatkoff?

I'm guessing 5 -5.5 million total?

Are you telling me the Kings couldn't have found 1-2 players with that money?

Granted they just dumped Gilbert and Latta- that is only 2 million of the 5.

Who? Nobody that wanted a longer term deal, what with all the big contracts here. Gagner and Parenteau? Gagner had 8 goals last year, and found himself in the AHL. I'm sure that signing would've gone over well. What? Lombardi signed an underachieving soft player from all those horrible Oiler teams? Dumpster diver!

That's the real issue that can't be argued away. The total for the dumpster dive equals one impact LW. Did any of the better options want to come to LA? No way to know or argue that. The point is Dean WASTED a #1 LW worth of money this summer. Not only that but the type of player that was signed did not fit the Sutter mold.

What impact #1 LW that was out there, if he was out there at all, is signing for 1 year?

Purcell has been a soft, floating wing for years. He does not go hard into the corners, cycle the puck or elevate the play of his linemates and hasn't for years. Edmonton didn't want him. Gilbert is almost the same exact player. Gilbert is a soft, offensive defenseman who needs PP time to put up points. Not gonna happen in LA and again-Edmonton said no thanks. Edmonton has started to turn the corner into a good team this season but before this started if they said no thanks you could bet your butt the player was done in the NHL. So if the ploy was merely to sign stop gap players until the break, which is complete speculation on fans part, the type of player that was signed was a huge waste of finances knowing what we know of the head coach.

So you just described Sam Gagner, in pretty much perfect detail, but Sam Gagner is a guy Lombardi should've brought in last summer?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kings fans also always list guys like Gagner or Parenteau as after the fact signings. Who was lining up to sign Gagner last summer? Nobody. Not even Columbus gave him a lot of money. That's like saying Budaj was a great signing. No, it just worked out that way.

Who? Nobody that wanted a longer term deal, what with all the big contracts here. Gagner and Parenteau? Gagner had 8 goals last year, and found himself in the AHL. I'm sure that signing would've gone over well. What? Lombardi signed an underachieving soft player from all those horrible Oiler teams? Dumpster diver!

What impact #1 LW that was out there, if he was out there at all, is signing for 1 year?

So you just described Sam Gagner, in pretty much perfect detail, but Sam Gagner is a guy Lombardi should've brought in last summer?

Exactly. All these retrospect signings look genius but they were dumpsters at the time.

But I agree you could easily argue Budaj is as impactful a signing as any of them.

I'm not sure I buy the idea that the signings were JUST seatwarmers for the youth, but they were similar signings to the ones that have panned out. Gilbert is a former top-4 RHD coming off injuries, was fine to gamble on upside, for example.

 

[lexlavender]

Just a reminder that Gilbert did not flame out because he played badly, he simply did not out play our rookies + McNabb. If McNabb doesn't get injured and Gravel never gets his shot as early as he did, Gilbert is still up here with us.