Give me Olerud and Alomar from the 93 Dynasty team on one side of the diamond. Tulo and Donaldson on the other half of the diamond. Probably the best infield in Jays history.
In Jays history? No that's more like the best in baseball history.
Give me Olerud and Alomar from the 93 Dynasty team on one side of the diamond. Tulo and Donaldson on the other half of the diamond. Probably the best infield in Jays history.
I don't think Morris gets the credit for being the pitcher he was. He pitched that 10 inning world series winning game for the Twins. He was the ace of that great Tigers team. He would pitch to give his bullpen a break. Until he came here, our team lacked that winning attitude that pushed them over the top.
If I had to rate my top Jays Pitchers he would be there.
Tough call.
But Cone, Key, Stieb, Hentgen, and Morris would be right there.
You're leaving a lot more better pitchers off though.
I don't think Morris gets the credit for being the pitcher he was. He pitched that 10 inning world series winning game for the Twins. He was the ace of that great Tigers team. He would pitch to give his bullpen a break. Until he came here, our team lacked that winning attitude that pushed them over the top.
If I had to rate my top Jays Pitchers he would be there.
Tough call.
But Cone, Key, Stieb, Hentgen, and Morris would be right there.
Yep, from a sentimental view. From the winning years. Perhaps.
I would go to war with
Morris
Cone
Stieb
Key
Hentgen
In the pen:
Henke
Ward
Timlin
Eichorn
Lavalle
And why don't you like Guzman? He was the objectively better pitcher during the Jays winning years. He came onto the scene and pitched lights out ball.
I liked Juan. Overpowering when on his game. His games took too long. For the same reason why teams score runs for Buerle. He keeps players in the game. Juan had a tendency to be wild at times, and took a lot of time between pitches at time. As funny as this sounded it was true. But really how can you have Juan in front to any of the guys I have?
As for Clemons and Halladay. Yeah great pitchers no doubt. Just that we never saw them for good jays teams. Wells took off when he was traded, he was good here, and got better after being traded.
Jim Clancy was a decent pitcher for us too for those that recall him. He and Stieb used to anchor our staff.
Because Morris wasn't really the ace of the staff in '92. He was past his prime, just playing on a team that was pretty much guaranteed to win a title. Dave Stewart was the same way, though he pitched well in the '93 ALCS.
Morris won 21 games the year he joined the Jays. He was the ace no doubt. I recall Borders crediting him for bringing in the attitude to win it all after the jays were stalled being close bridesmaids but never brides.
"Probably" lolIn Jays history? No that's more like the best in baseball history.
Yeah he had great run support, of course. He was also on the hook for two world series losses.
21-6. Some pitchers get run support because they keep their players in the game. Jack was always like this. I don't think it is a coincidence why some pitchers get better defence and run support than others.
The guy won 256 games, lost 186. He was a great pitcher. He has won world series for 3 different teams. Not trying to diminish Guzman, but he never won 20 games, and he certainly only emerged that year as a pitcher. Not in the same league as Morris was.