2015 Draft thread. McEichel part 5

[N.Y. Orangeman]

I think the player's points per game up against the league's average points per game is fascinating. While 4 points per game is ridiculous, Sid's 2.7 in a league averaging 6.38 ppg is every bit as good. I wish there was a figure for Kariya...harrumph.

 

[explore]

This year's draft reminds me of the Ovie draft year, when Pittsburg was furious that they didn't win the lottery and had to "settle" for Malkin.

Ovie was considered generational, but how far was Malkin from Ovie in their draft year?

I feel like that's the best recent draft comparison of generational talent vs very good/potential franchise forward.

Though, Crosby vs Malkin is a better comparison when you consider position. I just don't know how close Eichel is to Malkin. Malkin seems like he should've been seen as a generational player, was he though?

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Would love to see Eichel's stats if he was playing in the CHL.

 

[1972]

It's interesting some are certain that Hanifin is the #3 pick, and think it's not even worth considering other players otherwise. While there are a few others who think he may not be, even Tim Murray mentioned a grouping of guys after the top 2.

You read quotes like this from Bob McKenzie

There was no surprise at No. 3 on TSN's mid-season ranking. Boston College freshman Noah Hanifin was in that slot in September and remains there. Hanifin, by all accounts, showed some inconsistency early in the college season, but reaffirmed his high ranking with a solid outing at the world juniors. Only one of 10 scouts surveyed didn't have the mobile, puck-moving defenceman at No. 3, dropping him to No. 4. The consensus, though, is quite clear that next to McDavid and Eichel, he's the premier prospect available.
"We usually debate the top three picks in any draft for quite some time at our scouting meetings," one scout said. "This year, it took about one minute to say, McDavid-Eichel-Hanifin and there was no debate. We moved on to who's No. 4 almost immediately."

Then you see things from other guys or on this board who think it could be a number of players, Tim Murray said "he is a number 1 defenceman" and he didn't never said that about Ekblad last year, but then in Erie he made it sound like a number of players could potentially go right after Eichel.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Good one!

its also funny when people fail to see how much the game has evolved

 

[CatsforReinhart]

its also funny when people fail to see how much the game has evolved

I think most people see how much the game has evolved it is just that it is not quantifiable so when it comes to stats they are what they are.

It is usually the main part of an arguement...."well so and so played in this era or that era."

 

[Moskau]

It's interesting some are certain that Hanifin is the #3 pick, and think it's not even worth considering other players otherwise. While there are a few others who think he may not be, even Tim Murray mentioned a grouping of guys after the top 2.

You read quotes like this from Bob McKenzie



Then you see things from other guys or on this board who think it could be a number of players, Tim Murray said "he is a number 1 defenceman" and he didn't never said that about Ekblad last year, but then in Erie he made it sound like a number of players could potentially go right after Eichel.

I haven't heard a recent interview but in the beginning of the year he made it seem like Hanifin was #3. Didn't he say there was a drop off after #2 then after #3 and then after #7?

 

[1972]

I haven't heard a recent interview but in the beginning of the year he made it seem like Hanifin was #3. Didn't he say there was a drop off after #2 then after #3 and then after #7?

Yes I remember that now.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

It's interesting some are certain that Hanifin is the #3 pick, and think it's not even worth considering other players otherwise. While there are a few others who think he may not be, even Tim Murray mentioned a grouping of guys after the top 2.

You read quotes like this from Bob McKenzie



Then you see things from other guys or on this board who think it could be a number of players, Tim Murray said "he is a number 1 defenceman" and he didn't never said that about Ekblad last year, but then in Erie he made it sound like a number of players could potentially go right after Eichel.

That is interesting when contrasted with Pronman's article (" Marner, Strome should go before Hanifin") http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nhl-draft/post/_/id/744/marner-strome-should-go-before-hanifin.

I found this, from Rob Vollman's Hockey Abstract, interesting:

"“Results at even strength are driven primarily by forwards. This is not to say that offensive play is more important than defensive play; simply that, in the NHL, the players who contribute the most to outscoring the opposition at even strength are first-line forwards, not top-pair defensemen.”

To show this, Awad split up the leaguewide ice time for forwards and defensemen into quarters and thirds, respectively, and analyzed the differences between the tiers of ice time and their performance. With forwards, there were noticeable differences between the four tiers, but this was not the case for defensemen in the first two tiers, with only a moderate drop-off to the third. Awad showed that the difference between the highest- and lowest-tier forward groups was a 0.76 goal differential per 60 minutes, but the difference between the highest- and lowest-tier defenseman groups was only a 0.13 goal differential -- six times less!"

 

[couture23]

Supposedly Jack just scored an absolute beauty for BU. Looking for a gif..

edit: https://twitter.com/TerrierHockey/status/579428469961928704

 

[Slangston]

Eichel's at it again on NBCSN.

Just scored a nifty little goal -- Dragging the puck around one defender and having it deflect off another into the back of the net. It was a bit fortunate, but when you're as good as he is, these things happen.

He also assisted on the first goal.

 

[Slangston]

Supposedly Jack just scored an absolute beauty for BU. Looking for a gif..

edit: https://twitter.com/TerrierHockey/status/579428469961928704

It really was quite nice, as he showed some extremely deft hands on the rush, but the finish wasn't as dynamic as you'd think.

He was definitely lucky in that regard.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

That move probably doesn't work against an NHL D-man. But few guys even have the skill to pull it off at the lower levels.

 

[MayDayMayDay]

Supposedly Jack just scored an absolute beauty for BU. Looking for a gif..

edit: https://twitter.com/TerrierHockey/status/579428469961928704

 

[Beerz]

 

[couture23]

Scorer's bounce

Good move to make it happen though

 

[NotABadPeriod]

Got another one. Bit of a lucky finish but that explosive stride of his creates the chance. Everytime I see him it's the effortless skating that stands out. Even at the end of shifts Eichel still looks like he can blow past everyone.

 

[1972]

I'll be on hand to see if Strome can win the scoring title tomorrow, I think he will be at his best.

 

[EichHart]

I'll be on hand to see if Strome can win the scoring title tomorrow, I think he will be at his best.

Do you think this is the most impressive top 5 players in the draft ever? I mean the stats these 5 guys are putting up are unreal. If all 5 were in the CHL everyone would be 2 PPG+ and Hanifin would be a PPG+ beast all purpose dman.

 

[30Yonge]

Amazing...Look at the scoring in the NCAA this year compared to the past and what Eichel is doing...

Kariya was phenomenal his freshman year but our boy Derek Plante had 92 in 37 games that year. If you take out Kariya's 100/2.56 ppg from that decade, the highest scorer in those nine years averaged 81 points and 2 PPG. If you include Eichel, the averages for this decade are 63.8 points in 37.8 games played. The average for the best ppg in those five years is 1.72 (with Gaudreau twice).

The point totals for the highest scorer declined by 23% from the 2002 to the 2003 season and no one has topped 71 points since.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Have been looking forward to watching #97 on NHL Network today. Hope he's in the lineup.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Do you think this is the most impressive top 5 players in the draft ever? I mean the stats these 5 guys are putting up are unreal. If all 5 were in the CHL everyone would be 2 PPG+ and Hanifin would be a PPG+ beast all purpose dman.

fairly impressed with the top 3, there's some talent after that but mainly they're impressive because that tier usually starts at 2nd overall, very unusual that you see top 3 picks that wont even be considered until pick 4, but in all honesty its probably one of the most impressive top 5's with only McEichel

 

[1972]

If you want a guy with the swagger to be a big time player at the next level, Vince Dunn is your guy. I am not saying he will be a #1D or top pairing guy in the NHL, but I would not be shocked if he ever did. He reminds me of a Justin Faulk or PK Subban type of pick.