Prospect Info: 2014 Draft

[jolmy]

I am from Sweden and I haven't heard much talk about Nylander being a spoiled brat. Maybe he is, but I haven't heard anything that would make me suspect that. Anyhow, I think he knows what it takes to become a superstar in this league because of his father, and as far as I'm concerned he is going to be the best player of this draft class in a few years.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

I guess you Mixed them up. Sanheim is a RD and McKeown is a LD. At this point I would prefer Sanheim. McKeown is a fallen all year, prior to the year many had him not far behind Fleury. So I rather take the guy that has made huge Progress over the season, cause I would hope he keeps improving.

I would say mckoewn's fall is a lot like ristolainen's last year has to do with guys they see rising over him not having great improvement.

I mean there is four d in the first round or were for most of the year so unless sanheim has moved that highly and maybe he has mckeown is probably going to get picked earlier than expected.

This might be the weirdest draft in a long time. I have seen mock drafts have sanheim barbashev and honka as high as number six

I find honka not in the first round now on most mocks so is insanity ranging out there this year.

I have also seen mock drafts where we draft zero defenders and two goalies.

 

[Stamper]

Okay, I've just heard talk about him being similar to Kapanen in that that they both are arrogant because of their family name and their skills.

But yeah Nylander certainly has enough skill to be a star, his skillset is similar to Drouin.

 

[HoseEmDown]

I guess you Mixed them up. Sanheim is a RD and McKeown is a LD. At this point I would prefer Sanheim. McKeown is a fallen all year, prior to the year many had him not far behind Fleury. So I rather take the guy that has made huge Progress over the season, cause I would hope he keeps improving.

I'm pretty sure I had it right, McKoewn/Honka/DeAngelo were the 2nd tier of RD. Honka was thought to be gone before 19, McKoewn from 19 to early 2nd and DeAngelo a 2nd rounder. Sanheim was a lefty that's why he wasn't talked about much till he started shooting up the rankings into the range of the Rangers pick. It's always good to get the riser then a faller, just hope we aren't drafted hype only.

 

[Jacko95]

I'm pretty sure I had it right, McKoewn/Honka/DeAngelo were the 2nd tier of RD. Honka was thought to be gone before 19, McKoewn from 19 to early 2nd and DeAngelo a 2nd rounder. Sanheim was a lefty that's why he wasn't talked about much till he started shooting up the rankings into the range of the Rangers pick. It's always good to get the riser then a faller, just hope we aren't drafted hype only.

Damn you are right, for some reason I was sure McKeown was a lefty.
Looking at our last few drafts, we tend to draft guys that rise over the season. Examples are Drouin and Vasilevskiy. Koekkoek was a fast riser prior to his injury, so he kind of fits that bill as well. On the other side they have yet to draft a guy in the early rounds that was considered a fället over his draft season.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

Damn you are right, for some reason I was sure McKeown was a lefty.
Looking at our last few drafts, we tend to draft guys that rise over the season. Examples are Drouin and Vasilevskiy. Koekkoek was a fast riser prior to his injury, so he kind of fits that bill as well. On the other side they have yet to draft a guy in the early rounds that was considered a fället over his draft season.

KoekKoek was a faller connolly was a faller ummm erne fell? So just to throw things out blindly is not good or correct?

I get the injury thing with connolly and koekkoek but erne fell.

I'm pretty sure I had it right, McKoewn/Honka/DeAngelo were the 2nd tier of RD. Honka was thought to be gone before 19, McKoewn from 19 to early 2nd and DeAngelo a 2nd rounder. Sanheim was a lefty that's why he wasn't talked about much till he started shooting up the rankings into the range of the Rangers pick. It's always good to get the riser then a faller, just hope we aren't drafted hype only.

This is correct but the new mock drafts I am seeing has things drastically changed.

That is fluxuating big time. All these names I have looked at like 20 some drafts and people are all over the board and honka is dropping like an anchor in most drafts have no explanation on that but size maybe?

I don't see Mckoewn as a huge dropper myself Jacko claims that but I have always seen Mckoewn as a top 25 pick he im my opinion is gonna have a team fall in love with him and move up drastically on draft day and be gone around the top 15. To me he is third D guy taken but as stated I have seen in multiple drafts lol Sanheim and barbashev move up as high as number six to me and that is just amazing

So people are all over the place as has stated. I really believe 3 guys go in top 15 on D. I think Mckoewn is now in the top 15 and the third guy to ekblad and fleury.

 

[Jacko95]

KoekKoek was a faller connolly was a faller ummm erne fell? So just to throw things out blindly is not good or correct?

I get the injury thing with connolly and koekkoek but erne fell.

There are two different ways to fall/ rise. Erne fell for no reason on draft day, thats not what I am talking about. I am talking about guys that fell over their whole draft year. And IMO McKeown is auch a guy. I have seen him ranked between 10-15 quit a few times in October. Now he is in nobodys top20.
Connolly was not really a faller. He fell 3 spots at max and nobody said he would go 3rd overall without the injury. There were just people claiming he might have gone there.
Koekkoeks stock went higher as long as he played and he was not taken later than he was projected early in the season (I had never ever seen him ranked in the top10).

Nobody knows what happens on draft day, so I am only talking about what happens during the year. The most extrem example might be Nick Ebert in 2012 who was projected as a
Top20 pick a season prior to his draft. He Endes up being the last player taken.

 

[DFC]

There are two different ways to fall/ rise. Erne fell for no reason on draft day, thats not what I am talking about. I am talking about guys that fell over their whole draft year. And IMO McKeown is auch a guy. I have seen him ranked between 10-15 quit a few times in October. Now he is in nobodys top20.
Connolly was not really a faller. He fell 3 spots at max and nobody said he would go 3rd overall without the injury. There were just people claiming he might have gone there.
Koekkoeks stock went higher as long as he played and he was not taken later than he was projected early in the season (I had never ever seen him ranked in the top10).

Nobody knows what happens on draft day, so I am only talking about what happens during the year. The most extrem example might be Nick Ebert in 2012 who was projected as a
Top20 pick a season prior to his draft. He Endes up being the last player taken.

My own theory (and it's just that) about that is there were perceived attitude problems. Erne was suspended from the team that year, and I wouldn't doubt Pat Roy voiced his displeasure to some of his old NHL buddies/connections.

 

[jayslightning79]

I guess you Mixed them up. Sanheim is a RD and McKeown is a LD. At this point I would prefer Sanheim. McKeown is a fallen all year, prior to the year many had him not far behind Fleury. So I rather take the guy that has made huge Progress over the season, cause I would hope he keeps improving.

Actually you have that wrong, Sandhiem is a LHD, and McKeown is a RHD. The reason McKeown has fallen off some of the draft lists is because most of the scouts are not sure if he will be an offensive Dmen or a Defensive Dmen. His defensive game is sound, he has a long reach and makes a good 1st pass out of the zone.

I've seen a lot of scouting reports saying if he a team can help him improve his offensive numbers that he could be a steal in this draft. I wouldn't be opposed to pick McKeown with #19 pickl(assuming Fiala, Barbashev, Honka are drafted) then pick Sanhiem, Jacobs, Glover or Dougherty, or even Marcus Pettersson.. Obviously TB has never picked for need, so I imagine this scenario will not happen...

I would love to trade our #28 or #29 (which ever we get) for Buffalo's 31st overall and 39th overall pick. They might have somebody that they'd like at 28 or 29, that maybe NJ might be interested in...

 

[jolmy]

Okay, I've just heard talk about him being similar to Kapanen in that that they both are arrogant because of their family name and their skills.

But yeah Nylander certainly has enough skill to be a star, his skillset is similar to Drouin.

Could be true of course, I don't know him personally, but he seems to be a fairly well-mannered kid from what I've heard. He and Kapanen have probably both always heard that they are the best and are going to make it to the NHL no matter what, so they can maybe come off as arrogant because of their self-confidence or so (just speculating...)

What have you heard about Kapanen?

 

[HoseEmDown]

Can't see us picking up 31 and 39 for only 2 or 3 spots, would be nice though. Maybe we can get the 31, 39 and 91 for 28, 49, 139? Moved back in the 1st, up in the 2nd and swap a 5th for a 4th.

I don't see Buffalo or NJ picking a defender so we should be able to move back and get our guy as long as nobody else moves up.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

There are two different ways to fall/ rise. Erne fell for no reason on draft day, thats not what I am talking about. I am talking about guys that fell over their whole draft year. And IMO McKeown is auch a guy. I have seen him ranked between 10-15 quit a few times in October. Now he is in nobodys top20.
Connolly was not really a faller. He fell 3 spots at max and nobody said he would go 3rd overall without the injury. There were just people claiming he might have gone there.
Koekkoeks stock went higher as long as he played and he was not taken later than he was projected early in the season (I had never ever seen him ranked in the top10).

Nobody knows what happens on draft day, so I am only talking about what happens during the year. The most extrem example might be Nick Ebert in 2012 who was projected as a
Top20 pick a season prior to his draft. He Endes up being the last player taken.

Look I can give you a list of all the mock drafts our there or a majority of them like 30. Is not one that agrees with another basically bodies are all over the place once you hit ten and beyond. On a lot of drafts the top ten aint even agreed upon I mean its widespread like guys who were or are in second round in top ten.

This years draft IS INSANE. Is because is a ton of guys who all have same abilities or worths and is really about the top 45 guys this year and basically anyone from 10 to 45 can go 11 to 45 I hope that makes sense.

This is going to be a odd year and is going to totally be about what team fell in love with what player for what reason. Kinda like what murray was talking about.

I see nothing in that mcoewn fell myself. He has always been top 25 and he is staying there? He was always like 16-25 so he didnt move much at all.

So I have no clue what you are talking about myself. I personally will stick to the guys I have for the last 3-4 years who are members of this board and paid as scouts and take what they say cause they do a dammed good job but my guys these guys are CONFUSED this year lol.

I DO NOT WANT HONKA size issue. I like Mckoewn myself he is an excellent skater and has a good shot so legit wise I think he will be a top four guy with power play capabilities and full 200 foot game. I see no problems cause the guy can skate his ass off and plays smart hockey.

My two biggest things I look for personally are speed and hockey IQ or hockey sense making the right decisions and making quick decisions.


The bold I wont call source but honestly HONKA has fallen outside of most draft boards first round. That is a drop. I have never seen mckoewn higher than like 15. He has stayed regularly where he is now. I said I bet he goes in top 15 though. He is too good to pass up is some teams like him. Dougherty might move into first round among others.

I personally cannot see only four guys taken in round one as defenders. It would shock me personally.

As said can show you mckoewn in top 20's all the way up to like 14 right now on mock drafts.

I dont know your source or sources?

http://dcprosportsreport.com/NHLMocks.htm Heres a list of some of the sites. Is all over the place. This isnt including everyone and there brothers with own lists.

P.S. I have seen individuals put fleury outside of the first round.

That is how funny seriously funny this draft is going to be


P.S. JACKO

I think you have done a WONDERFUL job with this!! Very good work solid work loved reading every insight. So not cutting you down about nothing we disagree on the context of you seeing someone fall which I say is not falling at all. Is one guy and yep he might fall this draft 10 to 45 is a crap shoot all good players though so whoever we choose should work out.

I just hope we stay away from the 5'8 160 pounders this year

 

[jayslightning79]

Can't see us picking up 31 and 39 for only 2 or 3 spots, would be nice though. Maybe we can get the 31, 39 and 91 for 28, 49, 139? Moved back in the 1st, up in the 2nd and swap a 5th for a 4th.

I don't see Buffalo or NJ picking a defender so we should be able to move back and get our guy as long as nobody else moves up.

I'm sure Buffalo or NJ wouldn't mind guys like Fabbri, Bleackley, Karlsson, Ho Sang, Goldobin. ect instead of getting projected top 3-4 Dmens.. Or maybe a team would want to move up in the draft to get a guy like Tatcher Demko. Thinking Buffalo will draft him at 31? So many scenarios can happen on draft day, It's always fun to speculate..

 

[jayslightning79]

Look I can give you a list of all the mock drafts our there or a majority of them like 30. Is not one that agrees with another basically bodies are all over the place once you hit ten and beyond. On a lot of drafts the top ten aint even agreed upon I mean its widespread like guys who were or are in second round in top ten.

This years draft IS INSANE. Is because is a ton of guys who all have same abilities or worths and is really about the top 45 guys this year and basically anyone from 10 to 45 can go 11 to 45 I hope that makes sense.

This is going to be a odd year and is going to totally be about what team fell in love with what player for what reason. Kinda like what murray was talking about.

I see nothing in that mcoewn fell myself. He has always been top 25 and he is staying there? He was always like 16-25 so he didnt move much at all.

So I have no clue what you are talking about myself. I personally will stick to the guys I have for the last 3-4 years who are members of this board and paid as scouts and take what they say cause they do a dammed good job but my guys these guys are CONFUSED this year lol.

I DO NOT WANT HONKA size issue. I like Mckoewn myself he is an excellent skater and has a good shot so legit wise I think he will be a top four guy with power play capabilities and full 200 foot game. I see no problems cause the guy can skate his ass off and plays smart hockey.

My two biggest things I look for personally are speed and hockey IQ or hockey sense making the right decisions and making quick decisions.


The bold I wont call source but honestly HONKA has fallen outside of most draft boards first round. That is a drop. I have never seen mckoewn higher than like 15. He has stayed regularly where he is now. I said I bet he goes in top 15 though. He is too good to pass up is some teams like him. Dougherty might move into first round among others.

I personally cannot see only four guys taken in round one as defenders. It would shock me personally.

As said can show you mckoewn in top 20's all the way up to like 14 right now on mock drafts.

I dont know your source or sources?

http://dcprosportsreport.com/NHLMocks.htm Heres a list of some of the sites. Is all over the place. This isnt including everyone and there brothers with own lists.

P.S. I have seen individuals put fleury outside of the first round.

That is how funny seriously funny this draft is going to be

So you don't want Honka due to his small stature? Would you like Erik Karlsson, Tobias Enstrom, PK Subban, Torey Krug, ect.. because of their size? I couldn't care less about size factor, We have Hedman who is 6'6", Sustr who is 6'7" both guys play like they are 6'1"...They don't use their size as much as one would like. I would love to get a PP QB, I think Honka's number this year in a league who has some of the bigger players compared to QMJHL...or any other junior league. I'm absolutely certain if he or McKeown are available at #19. Steve Yzerman and Murray will pick either or, to be honest I wouldn't be surprised to see Flyers pick Honka, if Tuch is already gone by their pick.

I still think best case scenario for TB would be Barbashev at #19, and Roland McKeown at 28/29. Anyone with info on Marcus Pettersson? Seems like a project pick, but we have been patient with our prospects. Anyone see a fit 6'4" Dmen who will need to fill out his 167lbs frame...How can you be 6'4" and 167lbs ? Seems impossible... lol

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

So you don't want Honka due to his small stature? Would you like Erik Karlsson, Tobias Enstrom, PK Subban, Torey Krug, ect.. because of their size? I couldn't care less about size factor, We have Hedman who is 6'6", Sustr who is 6'7" both guys play like they are 6'1"...They don't use their size as much as one would like. I would love to get a PP QB, I think Honka's number this year in a league who has some of the bigger players compared to QMJHL...or any other junior league. I'm absolutely certain if he or McKeown are available at #19. Steve Yzerman and Murray will pick either or, to be honest I wouldn't be surprised to see Flyers pick Honka, if Tuch is already gone by their pick.

Yes defenders I prefer regular size who play 200 foot games and all situations.

Honka has questions defensively and is small. Two strikes I wouldnt pick him.

We are already out manned by boston and honestly I think in the future the puck goes through boston us or detroit and we need MORE physicality and I do not see us getting that with forwards primarily so its got to come from defense.

So I would pass honka and take a guy who could groom to the role we want him to play but would add more solid all around game cause he is bigger stronger more physical.

Also I think mckoewn is pretty much fast enough that wont need to take a honka.

I will add if we ever need a forward honka would fit right in He looks like he gained some weight since watched last. I take it back would take honka. He looks good. Seen him in stamkos spot not as hard of a shot but it rises has good control on it deceptive.

He really doesnt seem to have an elite slap shot but it rises to where a goalie would miss it and he can hit the corners like no ones business the upper corners so wouldnt mind him just think he is for sure a project of 2-3 maybe 4 years out till would be impactful player.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Yes defenders I prefer regular size who play 200 foot games and all situations.

Honka has questions defensively and is small. Two strikes I wouldnt pick him.

We are already out manned by boston and honestly I think in the future the puck goes through boston us or detroit and we need MORE physicality and I do not see us getting that with forwards primarily so its got to come from defense.

So I would pass honka and take a guy who could groom to the role we want him to play but would add more solid all around game cause he is bigger stronger more physical.

Also I think mckoewn is pretty much fast enough that wont need to take a honka.

Haven't you mentioned you want us to sign Boyle in the offseason? Honka reminds me of a young Boyle, he'll get bigger and stronger while improving in his own end.

I don't buy the we need to get bigger cause of Boston viewpoint. Montreal is one of if not the smallest team in the league and they got past Boston. Boston will always carry that big tough physical stigma but once Chara is gone I don't see them being that big or tough. We need to draft who fits our mold not who might be better against Boston.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

Haven't you mentioned you want us to sign Boyle in the offseason? Honka reminds me of a young Boyle, he'll get bigger and stronger while improving in his own end.

I don't buy the we need to get bigger cause of Boston viewpoint. Montreal is one of if not the smallest team in the league and they got past Boston. Boston will always carry that big tough physical stigma but once Chara is gone I don't see them being that big or tough. We need to draft who fits our mold not who might be better against Boston.

honka looks like a forward now he gained some height and weight since last looked at videos just watched like 20 mins of him

He is impressive he aint dropping out of the first round or teams are nuts.

Honka looks as fast as anyone on our team. Kid can skate for real but plays like a forward not a defender lol.

 

[jayslightning79]

honka looks like a forward now he gained some height and weight since last looked at videos just watched like 20 mins of him

He is impressive he aint dropping out of the first round or teams are nuts.

Honka looks as fast as anyone on our team. Kid can skate for real but plays like a forward not a defender lol.

I wouldn't base my opinions on "highlight videos" alone...

Also Julius Honka might be this year's Cam Fowler, who might slip due to his size.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

I wouldn't base my opinions on "highlight videos" alone...

Also Julius Honka might be this year's Cam Fowler, who might slip due to his size.

ya is not much on his defensive work I could find but on rush carrying puck first pass seem good.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

Anyone have anything on Adam Ollas Mattsson? LH Shut down d guy from sweden?

Think he is 6'4 220 already? Think is 17 now and should be available for our second round pick. He might drop to 3rd round. Reason for that is people are not high on his offense at all. Even though who knows what happens when he catches up to that body and gets older.

I ran across him because have been following rasmussen andersson for awhile now who I think might wind up a top pick in 2015 He is a very good D guy scoring tons way more than oel and comparisons defensively to oel and lidstrom lol.

Oscar lindblom is a guy hope we have an eye on in late rounds maybe fifth or sixth think is still 16 have heard he was pretty good in international stuff from my friends in detroit who know about swedish guys think is 6'2 already 175 LW I think.

Any sweden guys on our board or international guys you see any of these guys play at all?

 

[jayslightning79]

Woah check out the hands on this kid, Sonny Milano..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0dX8SPyC0

Imagine Milano and Drouin on a line in 2-3 years...

 

[Stamper]

Yeah Honka is great, but he's probably gonna get the 'small European'-treatment, so he might actually drop pretty far when he's actually tied with Fleury on the skill department. If he is available at our pick I wouldn't be surprised to see us pick him.

My only concern on Honka is that he really hasn't got it done in the international scene, but neither has Crosby so international tournees ain't always the indication of their play

 

[Stamper]

And what I've heard about Kapanen is from my buddy working in Kalpa, team which is owned and leaded by his father and uncle, and he says that Kapanen is all over the place with his arrogance. Kinda similar to what you hear about the Oiler kids and how they run the team and just **** around with their friends and not giving full effort.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

And what I've heard about Kapanen is from my buddy working in Kalpa, team which is owned and leaded by his father and uncle, and he says that Kapanen is all over the place with his arrogance. Kinda similar to what you hear about the Oiler kids and how they run the team and just **** around with their friends and not giving full effort.

you got a reading on any of these guys? Low flyers? Just like to hear what you know think.



Anyone have anything on Adam Ollas Mattsson? LH Shut down d guy from sweden?

Think he is 6'4 220 already? Think is 17 now and should be available for our second round pick. He might drop to 3rd round. Reason for that is people are not high on his offense at all. Even though who knows what happens when he catches up to that body and gets older.

I ran across him because have been following rasmussen andersson for awhile now who I think might wind up a top pick in 2015 He is a very good D guy scoring tons way more than oel and comparisons defensively to oel and lidstrom lol.

Oscar lindblom is a guy hope we have an eye on in late rounds maybe fifth or sixth think is still 16 have heard he was pretty good in international stuff from my friends in detroit who know about swedish guys think is 6'2 already 175 LW I think.

Any sweden guys on our board or international guys you see any of these guys play at all?

 

[jayslightning79]

Since we all speculate...What do you guys think of Quotes from Al Murray at the combine? Does it sound like he wants to trade the picks?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=29788

"I think there are probably more wingers than there are centers or [defensemen]," he said. "And I'd say it is a little light on goaltending. Probably the No. 1 position is wingers. Lots of wingers. ... We think the quality is there. It's not all first-line players, top-three defensemen, franchise goalkeepers. There's some good players that will be contributors to NHL teams, in our opinion."

We do have a lot of Wingers, I know this is just speculation on my part, but doesn't it sound like they'd rather trade the picks? Not all 1st line players, top-3 Dmen, franchise goalkeepers....If you think about it, Why not trade the picks instead? Might be able to get a top3 Dmen....