donniedarko
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Ryan Kesler....
I still think he is an option and would obviously add the scoring ability, and the tenacity that this team likes.
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Ryan Kesler....
I still think he is an option and would obviously add the scoring ability, and the tenacity that this team likes.
donniedarko
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rumors were something like that but, it's all a rumor, so until I see it Dave Chappele style....I won't believe it.
If we could get him, trade Atkinson, 1st round pick and maybe a decent d prospect, I'm all for it. We can find a 20 goal scorer in FA, now the issue is that 20 goal scorer won't make 1.2 million per year, and we know Kesler makes 5. something.
Again, I'm not thinking of the money aspect just what Vancouver wanted at the time. Maybe they want less at the draft, who knows. Also, if you remember GMJK was working on something as the 3pm time came to a close on Trade Deadline Day.
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Ideally, for me... I chase JVR in Toronto. If there is a player that I think would be an amazing fit for the CBJ it is JVR. I'll leave it at that.
I would like to have JVR here also. The Leafs would be crazy to trade him, and if they did would want our whole roster!
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Mayor Bee
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The scoring ability seems to be there only when he's on a line with two Sedins and gets a ton of PP time. Otherwise, he's another one of these 20-25 goal, 50-55 point guys that this roster has a ton of.
He's a more-hyped Antoine Vermette.
Ok, I can see trading Cam for something that makes us better. But 20+ goal scorers who make a little over $1 million per year do not just grow on trees. We had only three 20 goal scorers so Cam is not a luxury. Next year Boone will probably join the 20+ goal club. But that doe snot justify dumping Cam as seems to be implied by some on this board. AS part of a package to otherwise improve the team, of course he could be a part of the package.
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I am always struck by how many here never (or rarely) want to part with anyone.
To me the only untouchables on the team are Joey, Murray and Bob.
In the highly unlikely I trade them category are Jenner & Dubi.
Other than that I am willing to trade anybody for the proper return.
To me the only untouchables on the team are Joey, Murray and Bob.
In the highly unlikely I trade them category are Jenner & Dubi.
Other than that I am willing to trade anybody for the proper return.
There are no untouchables for the "proper return." Not all of us will agree, though, on what that might be for some of the players you've named.
I think this is a natural reaction for fans, especially for CBJ fans who have pretty open access to players. Our fanbase doesn't fully understand how unusual it is to have the meet-n-greet, signings, events, ect where players participate. I know in Philly and other large markets, there is little access or if there is it is at a cost.
Now, I get that that's not everyone's cup of tea, but it makes it more "personal" to those who enjoy that aspect of following a team.
It's easier to get attached to players when you've had even a modicum of personal contact with them. These days of social media contribute to that as well. Fans feel like the "know" their team on another level.
Just a thought.
I don't see anyone implying that Cam should be "dumped". And he's not a detriment to our roster, so if he's back I'm okay with that.
My feeling though is that he may return more than he himself can provide in a trade. Being a seller on Cam for me means he's definitely on a short list of players to be included in a package for the right return.
Yeah, pretty common. I've discussed this in great detail in the past, including some in the RJ thread.
We've traded away most of what people have considered dead weight. There is going to be almost no consensus from this point forward and most trades will get quite a bit of ire unless the return is a big name.
My personal rule is that I don't get too attached to any single player. That is going to be hard with Jenner and, to a lesser extent, Murray. I figure in two years I'll probably be mortified by any suggestion of moving either.
Cam seems to be the player that is both expendable and could be used as a significant piece in another move. He's only at 1.15 million for another year at which point he should get a pretty decent raise. Cap probably won't be an issue next year, so I'm not sure it's a huge consideration for the window that it's in effect.
I've liked Cam from day one, but for the right deal I'm ok with moving him. Calvert is more of a priority to keep than Cam IMO.
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I agree with this. I like Calvert a lot. See him long term as a great third/fourth liner who can score a bit,forecheck like crazy, bring heart, agitate, and just be inspirational. Plus I don't ever see him breaking the bank.
Cam needs to get stronger on the puck and maybe in general- he needs to attach himself to MSL this summer and learn as much as possible from him. On the other hand Cam could be one of those guys who given the right system could really flourish just the way he is. I'm not sure he and the Jacket system are a great match.
I don't really see an issue with the system, although he did say he wasn't going to change his game. He's still getting his footing, but he could certainly start to blossom as he gets more games under his belt.
He's probably a consistent 25-30 goal guy if he can avoid injuries.
His line has been pretty good, at times, in this series. If they get hot, 5 on 5, that could tilt this series firming in the Jackets favor. That line is very streaky.
The think about Calvert and AA is that they tend to be able to make more of a difference in specialty teams and in the defensive game 5 on 5. Calvert was an inch from tying the game up on a great play in the neutral zone. I haven't seen too much of that from Atkinson this season.
It's interesting that Calvert and Atkinson are leading the Jacket forwards in +/- in the post season.
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I'm in agreement that Cam is an attractive piece if a move to upgrade involved him. I'm not interested in seeing him get moved but think he is one that would offer value to help the CBJ pull in a more significant top 6 upgrade. I also really like Arty but think from our top 3 centers, he's the only one I consider moving if the deal upgrades the top 6.
When I look at this team I see one potential game changer (Joey) on the offensive side. I don't see any other player to "take over a game" in the top 9 right now. I think Jenner may have some attributes to do that but not necessarily from a skill standpoint. We score by committee which is great. I still think to be a SC contender we need another game breaker or two. Personally, I think Wennberg has that type of game with his IQ and two way play but he's a few years off from even showing if that is really the case. In the meantime I think adding another high end piece on the wing in the top 6 is a priority.
I don't see that from free agency (RFA trade? Maybe) and think moving some of the assets that Howson and Jarmo have built could provide that. If Cam and/or Arty were moved I think it has to be for 30+ goal upside with length on the contract of a RFA when it ends. Just my opinion. If no major changes get made, I think we still take a step forward and this club improves from within. A little more bottom 6 speed would be nice (Paajarvi anyone?)
When I look at this team I see one potential game changer (Joey) on the offensive side. I don't see any other player to "take over a game" in the top 9 right now. I think Jenner may have some attributes to do that but not necessarily from a skill standpoint. We score by committee which is great. I still think to be a SC contender we need another game breaker or two. Personally, I think Wennberg has that type of game with his IQ and two way play but he's a few years off from even showing if that is really the case. In the meantime I think adding another high end piece on the wing in the top 6 is a priority.
I don't see that from free agency (RFA trade? Maybe) and think moving some of the assets that Howson and Jarmo have built could provide that. If Cam and/or Arty were moved I think it has to be for 30+ goal upside with length on the contract of a RFA when it ends. Just my opinion. If no major changes get made, I think we still take a step forward and this club improves from within. A little more bottom 6 speed would be nice (Paajarvi anyone?)
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I could see him flourishing in a system like Detroit's or Pittsburgh where there are guys who can pass and the system is not built primarily (solely?)on forechecking
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3 more assists for Bjorkstrand last night. Portland advanced to the WHL finals.
Fine line we're walking there between prospect info and making us a contender, for keeping it OT. But I tend to agree with you; he seems to be someone the Jackets would consider a real factor in camp next season and maybe a difference maker next season. At least in the conversation and with the potential.
Won't be many spots open though; especially with Horton back.
I'm not sure this is 100% accurate. I know where you're going and I think you know I think we need better playmakers.
I just think Cam needs some additional maturing.
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This last line is what would keep me up nights as the GM. If we don't buy out Umbie there is no logical roster room to add a top 6 forward. If we do it kind of screws up lines that sort of work.
If we sign Iginla without Umbie everything fits. This I realize is highly, highly unlikely.
If we sign Callahan without Umbie the lines work but is this really the best for the team long term? I guess I'd rather have Callahan than Umbie but the price can't be ridiculous.
If we sign Vanek or Moulson what do you do with Jenner/Foligno/Calvert? Bump them down a line? Move Jenner to play with Dubi & Cam and slide Calvert to the 4th?
If we sign Stastny who moves out at center? Do you move Dubi or Arty to the wing?
Do you keep Umbie and stick him on the 4th line? So much for the energy line concept.
Lots of options but they all are probably long shots, including Ollie B making the team.
And the big question - If we don't make any changes are our chances that much better next year based on another year of experience and hopefully fewer injuries?
Many more questions than answers.
I'm curious why he's so much slower now than he was at the start of the year. Was it the effect of his summer training fading away? An unannounced injury? A loss of passion?
I'd really like an answer to that question before we move him out.
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If Daniel Zaar is not signed and his rights are lost, then the person who made that decision should be tossed out on the street. He is exactly the type of prospect that is largely lacking within the Columbus farm system. His puck skills are excellent, his offensive creativity is superb, and his ability to get open by creating space is exceptional.
I believe it was Kjell Larsson who recommended Zaar in the first place. I know that Kjell was an excitable guy who was generally regarded as being very pro-Swede, but to dismiss his original reports and perspective for that reason would be unwise. Kjell was probably the only guy on the planet who had Loui Eriksson in his top ten for the 2003 draft, and he's been vindicated on that.
To your statement on contracts, if Daniel Zaar's rights are allowed to be released so that some other throwaway - guys like Patrick McNeill and Paul Thompson - can fill that spot, then I have serious questions about the actual scouting acumen and roster management of someone whose very hiring was supposed to be about those very concepts. Obviously this is something I feel very strongly about, but consider that the last emphatic claims I made on these boards involved extremely high praise for Anthony Mantha, Sean Monahan, and a comparison between Ryan Johansen and Jonathan Toews. I generally don't make emphatic claims about players and prospects, so the fact that I'm doing so about Daniel Zaar should tell you how highly I regard him.
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Palinka
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The additional maturing part is why Cam Atkinson is still here despite being a healthy scratch multiple times. And it is also why Marian Gaborik is in Los Angeles.
I do not support the possible lack of action on Daniel Zaar. I do support the action on Marian Gaborik, and the front office was speaking truthfully when it was said publicly that trading Gaborik was about preserving the future. Atkinson began to emulate Gaborik, who is clearly nowhere close to the same player that he once was. Gaborik has an injury history that's only grown longer, which has caused him to become more of a perimeter player. He also started pacing himself during games, which is fine if it's a free-flowing system that allows players a lot of open ice. In something more tightly structured that's about finding open ice and continuing to move, Gaborik was a mismatch. And by emulating Gaborik, Atkinson became a mismatch.
If we speak only from an asset standpoint, the Marian Gaborik trade was a dud on both ends. But the assertion that he had to be moved for vague reasons that were never clarified is true. Cam Atkinson doesn't know how good he can be if he continues to work on the little things and listens to the people who have the credibility to know what makes for a successful NHL player. If he listens to those who lack the knowledge, the experience, or the motivation to maintain a career, then he will be back in the press box next year. And if that happens, one would have to seriously question his future in Columbus.
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