hey sfish, another poster ? i think they were both me. lol
I know Kassian has been mentioned in here before and he is a player I wanted in his draft year, but would anyone do a J Moore + for Kassian swap? He is a bit crazy but he brings an element this team lacks. He can play 3rd or 4th line. Still only 24.
He doesn't fit in Vancouver with their new coach and apparently they are looking for a d-man.
Gorton has stated he has been building around the Bruins model for a while. Could they see a poor mans Lucic?
I know Kassian has been mentioned in here before and he is a player I wanted in his draft year, but would anyone do a J Moore + for Kassian swap? He is a bit crazy but he brings an element this team lacks. He can play 3rd or 4th line. Still only 24.
He doesn't fit in Vancouver with their new coach and apparently they are looking for a d-man.
Gorton has stated he has been building around the Bruins model for a while. Could they see a poor mans Lucic?
I do not think that isolating their performance against bigger teams that are playoff contenders is cherry picking. Isles, Bruins, Tampa. And to me Columbus. Bigger teams that bring a forecheck and do not give the Rangers free skating lanes. That is not cherry picking. The Rangers have not had an answer for this.Its not about interpretation, its about context. Cherry picking an isolated instance with out looking at all the facts is pretty dishonest presentation.
I know Kassian has been mentioned in here before and he is a player I wanted in his draft year, but would anyone do a J Moore + for Kassian swap? He is a bit crazy but he brings an element this team lacks. He can play 3rd or 4th line. Still only 24.
He doesn't fit in Vancouver with their new coach and apparently they are looking for a d-man.
Gorton has stated he has been building around the Bruins model for a while. Could they see a poor mans Lucic?
It would be very steep and would completely buck the trend of the way things go at the deadline. I posted something on the last thread where I listed almost every single deal made for a rental forward from 2010-13 (didn't count last year, since the prices were so low and I don't expect that to happen again.) There wasn't a single deal that yielded a return for a young roster player on an ELC (who was a former first rounder no less) except for the Kovalchuk trade (who was an elite player and still didn't return either of the Devils top 2 prospects.)
Its not just the Rangers who don't make those type of deals, no one in the league does.
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Eh, I'd think AV would give him about the same ES time as Brassard. You also have the option of putting him against top lines, and getting Stepan's line more room and more offensive chances.
Hayes will still have plenty of value as a winger. If the deal is right, I have no problem getting Hanzal.
See above.
I understand the concern, but he's exactly what we are missing, literally to a "t". I would go as far as to say he'd make our forward group a top 5 one in the league. He's still a young guy too at 27.
Bob, am I off in my assessment of Hanzal in that he would be a HUGE upgrade to our center group?
I know Kassian has been mentioned in here before and he is a player I wanted in his draft year, but would anyone do a J Moore + for Kassian swap? He is a bit crazy but he brings an element this team lacks. He can play 3rd or 4th line. Still only 24.
He doesn't fit in Vancouver with their new coach and apparently they are looking for a d-man.
Gorton has stated he has been building around the Bruins model for a while. Could they see a poor mans Lucic?
I do not think that isolating their performance against bigger teams that are playoff contenders is cherry picking. Isles, Bruins, Tampa. And to me Columbus. Bigger teams that bring a forecheck and do not give the Rangers free skating lanes. That is not cherry picking. The Rangers have not had an answer for this.
HUGE upgrade. Hanzal is a 2.5 center who regularly takes on the big centers in the west (Getzlaff, Kopitar, Pavelski etc.) Good on faceoffs, good defensively and a scoring contributor. Even gets some PP time as a net front presence. Plus he's relatively young, has a favorable contract and slots in beautifully not just this year but in the future. IMO, adding Hanzal would give the Rangers a three deep similar to LA (Kopitar-Carter-Stoll)
I had originally been told that Hanzal was "not available" but later amended that when the new ownership basically told Maloney to blow it up. The Coyotes need quality and quantity. I also read that there were potentially some issues with the Coyotes leadership group and Hanzal is considered a team leader. He has been an "A" for a couple of years.
He is such a good fit, I think you could be surprised at how deep the Rangers may be willing to go for him.
Anyone thinking the Kings are not going to keep Stoll, including Katie, is wrong. They won 2 Stanley Cups by being three deep down the middle. Unless they can acquire a suitable replacement (which I don't see) this ain't happening.
vermette is the target and he should be. he's seriously under appreciated here. he's a very good player and would offer us a lot. he would make us better and more dangerous. he's my guy.
hanzal gonna cost too much and the appetite to move key young guys who will log lots of affordable cost controlled minutes is very low.
don't think a hanzal deal gets done. he's gonna be too expensive.
Anyone thinking the Kings are not going to keep Stoll, including Katie, is wrong. They won 2 Stanley Cups by being three deep down the middle. Unless they can acquire a suitable replacement (which I don't see) this ain't happening.
stealin my thunder again huh vipe.
kassian is exactly the kinda guy we need to add to this mostly finesse group.
lots of scrape. really sweet set of hands and solid passer, underrated offensive skills wrapped in a 747 body.
i think i would do that deal you propose even though i would prefer to keep jmoore and be "mcilrath patient" with him.
HUGE upgrade. Hanzal is a 2.5 center who regularly takes on the big centers in the west (Getzlaff, Kopitar, Pavelski etc.) Good on faceoffs, good defensively and a scoring contributor. Even gets some PP time as a net front presence. Plus he's relatively young, has a favorable contract and slots in beautifully not just this year but in the future. IMO, adding Hanzal would give the Rangers a three deep similar to LA (Kopitar-Carter-Stoll)
I had originally been told that Hanzal was "not available" but later amended that when the new ownership basically told Maloney to blow it up. The Coyotes need quality and quantity. I also read that there were potentially some issues with the Coyotes leadership group and Hanzal is considered a team leader. He has been an "A" for a couple of years.
He is such a good fit, I think you could be surprised at how deep the Rangers may be willing to go for him.
I don't think they can afford Miller for Hanzal. I just don't see how the cap works with that. Keeping everything else as is, meaning with absolutely 0$ new money coming in, they're going to have to lose a winger. Bringing in a ~4m player in Hanzal with an ELC player in Miller going the other way - they're losing two wingers, maybe even another guy, and also pretty much giving up on Hayes at C for the foreseeable future.
Seems like an awful lot of trouble for a guy who will essentially be playing 3C.
HUGE upgrade. Hanzal is a 2.5 center who regularly takes on the big centers in the west (Getzlaff, Kopitar, Pavelski etc.) Good on faceoffs, good defensively and a scoring contributor. Even gets some PP time as a net front presence. Plus he's relatively young, has a favorable contract and slots in beautifully not just this year but in the future. IMO, adding Hanzal would give the Rangers a three deep similar to LA (Kopitar-Carter-Stoll)
I had originally been told that Hanzal was "not available" but later amended that when the new ownership basically told Maloney to blow it up. The Coyotes need quality and quantity. I also read that there were potentially some issues with the Coyotes leadership group and Hanzal is considered a team leader. He has been an "A" for a couple of years.
He is such a good fit, I think you could be surprised at how deep the Rangers may be willing to go for him.
Hanzal is not a $4m player right now. His cap hit is $3.1m. We're looking at the 2017 offseason for when he's a UFA.
Frankly, I'd rather have Hanzal for next season than Zuccarello. I enjoy our wing depth right now, but center depth is a much bigger key to me.
Hanzal would give the Rangers the best center corps in the East after Crosby, Malkin, and Sutter. Durability is a problem, but when he's healthy, he's one of the best two way centers in the league. I would give up significant pieces to land him, but another team can probably offer a better package.
The other major problem becomes paying him after next season. He has a 3.1 million cap hit until then. He'll be due a raise to about 5 million or so after that. Does Zuccarello, St. Louis, or Hagelin come off the books or the other way in a trade to accommodate that salary? If the answer is yes, then it really is important that guys like Miller, Duclair, and Buchnevich contribute significantly at the NHL level while on their ELC's.