2014-2015 Champions Hockey League

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No one expected it to be a huge success from the start. No one. It's been said time and time again that the clubs are in for the long haul this time. There's no use in rushing anything. Learn from mistakes and improve the product till next year. They have a solid product on the ice already. With patience I'm confident the tourney will pick up steam. In a few years time it could hold it's own weight and rivalries will emerge. I've learned plenty just from this year looking at the opposition and their respective leagues.
This is the way forward for euro club competition. Let's hope KHL joins and that everyone's satisfied with the league format.

So you believe that arenas will be sold out next season? CHL clubs dont care about CHL. It is well known that some CHL clubs did not want to travel to games at the end of regular part. Clubs dont have money to develop the league or better said they dont know how to develop it. Prize money does not cover travelling etc. How many yrs do you want to wait for CHL success? 5, 10, 20? Look at Jokerit, their premiere KHL season and they have more attendance numbers than last Liiga season. You have success or not, nothing else. You can not wait 10 yrs (example) until you have success...

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Btw an argument that it is 1st CHL season is lame - NO there was European Trophy for 4-5 yrs or so. If you want to compare this with KHL, we can look at last RSL season and compare it with 1st KHL season.
 
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There are simply too many teams. If 10 top teams would play in two groups, maybe somebody would actually be interested.

Playing 6 games in group stage per team + possible playoffs is just too much.
 
So you believe that arenas will be sold out next season?
No, but I do believe that the interest in the tourney will improve and that we will see higher attendance.

CHL clubs dont care about CHL.
Yes, yes they do. The clubs participating are also co-owners of the league and have a vested interest in it's success.
It is well known that some CHL clubs did not want to travel to games at the end of regular part.
That's strange since it's the first time I hear about it.
Clubs dont have money to develop the league or better said they dont know how to develop it. Prize money does not cover travelling etc. How many yrs do you want to wait for CHL success? 5, 10, 20?
The clubs were expecting to make a loss the first 3 years, I believe. How long they are willing to continue their participation with a deficit is anyones guess. I'd wager the well established clubs see the success of the tourney as a priority.

Look at Jokerit, their premiere KHL season and they have more attendance numbers than last Liiga season. You have success or not, nothing else. You can not wait 10 yrs (example) until you have success...
If KHL is the only other alternative, I'm willing to wait as long as it takes. Worst comes to worst I have a feeling that the CHL will survive longer than a majority of the clubs in the KHL, at least.

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Btw an argument that it is 1st CHL season is lame - NO there was European Trophy for 4-5 yrs or so. If you want to compare this with KHL, we can look at last RSL season and compare it with 1st KHL season.

The CHL format is completely new and stands on it's own merits.
 
There are simply too many teams. If 10 top teams would play in two groups, maybe somebody would actually be interested.

Playing 6 games in group stage per team + possible playoffs is just too much.

I wonder if people thought like that when the UCL began?
 
And? The KHL and Liiga are both season-long leagues. That's what you should compare if anything.
I agree but my point was different. Does hockey europe need a competition like KHL (it can be a league based on SHL/Liiga not Russia) or CHL (paralell league to domestic leagues). Jokerit etc shows that "KHL" is right direction, fans comes to arenas. ET/CHL shows that fans are not so interested in the competition. ???
 
I agree but my point was different. Does hockey europe need a competition like KHL (it can be a league based on SHL/Liiga not Russia) or CHL (paralell league to domestic leagues). Jokerit etc shows that "KHL" is right direction, fans comes to arenas. ET/CHL shows that fans are not so interested in the competition. ???

Just because Jokerit have great attendance figures in the KHL, it does not mean CHL is the wrong direction. The real test for the Jokerit attendance figure is in few years, when the product isn't new anymore. So far it's looking good though.

The problem with comparing KHL Jokerit and CHL attendance is that Jokerit is only playing in the KHL, while the CHL clubs are also playing in their domestic leagues. I'm quite sure the attendance would be a lot different as well for the teams, should they only enter one competition.

You are right that at the moment, not many of the clubs in the CHL are making a profit (although IFK CEO said yesterday in the interview that many of the finnish clubs competing have already made some small profits, IFK themselves were close to the break-even point, and that was well before the game). And no one is probably expecting full arenas next year either. But a steady increase in attendance? Definately.
 
I wonder if people thought like that when the UCL began?

UCL? If you're talking about UEFA Champions league then there were only two groups of four teams and a one final match between group winners. They were quite careful in avoiding of meaningless group games.

Hockey champion league is quite bloated at the moment. I think that maybe a couple of preliminary play-off rounds before group stage would make group games much more important and interesting to watch. There also no need in eight-finals. It's probably better to start right from quarter-finals or even semis.
 
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I agree but my point was different. Does hockey europe need a competition like KHL (it can be a league based on SHL/Liiga not Russia) or CHL (paralell league to domestic leagues). Jokerit etc shows that "KHL" is right direction, fans comes to arenas. ET/CHL shows that fans are not so interested in the competition. ???

What about the dozen teams showing that the KHL is the wrong direction? :laugh:
 
I think it is fair to say the jury is still very much out on this thing and the fact at this point in the tournament, at least judging by attendance, it hasn't picked up a whole lot of momentum has to be somewhat of a concern for the organizers. With that said, IMHO it's still way to early to write the tournament off as a failure. Based on what those involved in the tournament are saying they seem to be in it for the long haul and the fact it isn't being played out in front of huge crowds at this point is hardly shocking to them.

I think for the tournament to be a long term success it is going to have to overcome three obstacles...

1) The stigma of past failed tournaments - This can only be corrected over time by not outright canning (obviously) or totally overhauling the format after a couple of years. With that said (going off topic) I think a group stage with 44 teams is pretty bloated, given the structure of the competition (founding clubs and all that) I am not sure if it's really possible, but slimming the group stage down to 32 teams might be wise.

2) The perception that it is nothing more than a pre-season/exhibition tournament - To my understanding the knockout stages haven't been lacking for tense dramatic games played at a high level so hopefully over time the clubs apparently caring will rub off on more fans.

3) Lack of familiarity with teams outside of a given local market - Once again this is going to take time. It's too bad some of those 2nd round matchups that literally couldn't have been closer didn't go the other way as it would probably been better to have teams representing 5 different leagues/countries left in the competition instead of just 2.

...So ya, I guess I think time is important.;) As long as the organizers aren't lying and they really are committed (and have the resources) to stick it out I think the CHL could eventually turn into something that matters to most people who care about hockey in Europe.

I agree but my point was different. Does hockey europe need a competition like KHL (it can be a league based on SHL/Liiga not Russia) or CHL (paralell league to domestic leagues). Jokerit etc shows that "KHL" is right direction, fans comes to arenas. ET/CHL shows that fans are not so interested in the competition. ???

The problem with comparing KHL Jokerit and CHL attendance is that Jokerit is only playing in the KHL, while the CHL clubs are also playing in their domestic leagues. I'm quite sure the attendance would be a lot different as well for the teams, should they only enter one competition.

Ya, I don't see what a club necessarily gains by playing in some sort of multi-country 'super' league instead of it's 'traditional' domestic league. Is Frolunda gaining anything by averaging 9-10 thousand in the 'Nordic League' instead of the SHL? Is SC Bern gaining anything by averaging 15-16 thousand in the KHL instead of in NLA? Now if Frolunda and SC Bern 10 years from now can average 9-10 thousand and 15-16 thousand respectively for CHL games on top of their regular league games then they have actually gained something.

Things look to be so far so good for Jokerit in the KHL, but it's a club that saw it's new owners spend (tens of?) millions of $ (well Euros) on strengthening the roster, marketing and renovating its arena, all this and a much improved on ice record over last year has resulted in a increase of about 1300 fans/game... To be honest, given all that, I am not seeing huge gains. Medvescak after moving to the KHL last season saw a drop in attendance. I know this isn't exactly vorky's point but given how well things have been going for the majority of the KHL's EU clubs in 2014 (Lev gone, Slovan and DR apparently barley hanging on) maybe the "KHL model" isn't the way forward for European club hockey.
 
Just because Jokerit have great attendance figures in the KHL, it does not mean CHL is the wrong direction. The real test for the Jokerit attendance figure is in few years, when the product isn't new anymore. So far it's looking good though.

The problem with comparing KHL Jokerit and CHL attendance is that Jokerit is only playing in the KHL, while the CHL clubs are also playing in their domestic leagues. I'm quite sure the attendance would be a lot different as well for the teams, should they only enter one competition.

You are right that at the moment, not many of the clubs in the CHL are making a profit (although IFK CEO said yesterday in the interview that many of the finnish clubs competing have already made some small profits, IFK themselves were close to the break-even point, and that was well before the game). And no one is probably expecting full arenas next year either. But a steady increase in attendance? Definately.

bold - that is what I talked about.
 
An addition to my last post (which I forgot to add when I wrote it yesterday).

In Linköping's case they also seem to be having problems getting people to attend their SHL games this season.

Last year they ended on an average around 6 700 spectators. This season they frequently go below 6 000 and sometimes below 5 000. And they are 4th overall in the league (last year they finished 9th) and have won 78% of their home games, so it shouldn't be about poor performances.
 
What about the KHL participation?
This format change and expansion in number of teams is also the first step towards extending the invitation to and accommodating clubs from the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL) in the future. In the spirit of the Champions Hockey League motto “Where Europe Comes to Playâ€, C-License invitations will be extended, primarily, to the CHL “Challenge Leagues†from Slovakia, France, Norway, Denmark and Great Britain.
http://www.championshockeyleague.net/news/chl-to-play-with-48-teams-in-2015-16/674/
 
The few comments I've read on German pages mostly were that principally, it is a great idea, but without the KHL teams, it is a joke. Some of the games sound nice, but why watch it if there's KHL on at the same time (online only) where you can be sure to see better hockey? Most of it was only shown online here (on the same site that also offers the DEL, EBEL and KHL for free) and live coverage on TV stopped once all German teams were out. The overall media coverage was pretty limited, but the sport itself is nowhere near as popular as it used to be.
 
I'm guessing Barys, Minsk, Riga, Slovan, Jokerit, Medvescak and a Russian club?

more russian clubs. I am sure KHL woudl not agree with your formula (all non russian khl clubs and one russian)
 
The few comments I've read on German pages mostly were that principally, it is a great idea, but without the KHL teams, it is a joke. Some of the games sound nice, but why watch it if there's KHL on at the same time (online only) where you can be sure to see better hockey? Most of it was only shown online here (on the same site that also offers the DEL, EBEL and KHL for free) and live coverage on TV stopped once all German teams were out. The overall media coverage was pretty limited, but the sport itself is nowhere near as popular as it used to be.

The quality of hockey is good in the CHL. When it comes to the top teams in the KHL, sure, the quality of hockey is better. But the bottom half? Not a chance.
 
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