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If you trade Martin that means Scuderi and Borts is your bottom pair, or it means one of those guys is in your top 4, both those scenarios would be bad.
What about Despres?
If you trade Martin that means Scuderi and Borts is your bottom pair, or it means one of those guys is in your top 4, both those scenarios would be bad.
What about Despres?
What about Despres?
Fair enough. Even though hes only 18 and at least a full season away from the NHL...Ritchie would be the perfect young winger for this team.
And I love Cogliano, think his speed would play well next to Sid. But otherwise were back to looking at Martin for DSP or Silvferberg kinda deals.
That's what the either or meant.
Top 4 definitely has Ehrhoff, Letang and Maatta.
Then one of Bortuzzo, Scuderi or Despres is in the top 4. If Despres is in the top 4, then the bottom pairing is Scuderi-Bortuzzo which was horrendous tonight to the point that HCMJ separated them. If Despres is not in the top 4, then one of Bortuzzo or Scuderi is in the top 4 and that's not very good either.
EDIT: The Pens shouldn't be relying on a rookie defenseman who barring injury will go into the play-offs with very little NHL experience. He has already not played for a fourth of the season.
And Vrbata would really help now where as Ehrhoff really does not. Not to any meaningful level. And to be clear I said this back then also. Ehrhoff was a luxury and not a necessity, that in and of itself IMO anyhow made it a bad move. Poor asset management.Vrbata & Kulemin got multi year deals, Ehrhoff didn't.. Maybe Ehrhoff is redundant currently, but when the ideal winger didn't come our way JR opted to spend the cap room on the D.
Ehrhoff has not been good but it was still a no brainer signing.
How many games have Bort and Scuds played together tho? I'm not saying it's ideal, but having those 2 as your bottom pairing isn't terrible. Give them some PK mins and limit their even strength time. Id be nice to see Harrington or Dumo in there right now but that probably isn't happening anytime soon
How many games have Bort and Scuds played together tho? I'm not saying it's ideal, but having those 2 as your bottom pairing isn't terrible. Give them some PK mins and limit their even strength time. Id be nice to see Harrington or Dumo in there right now but that probably isn't happening anytime soon
And Vrbata would really help now where as Ehrhoff really does not. Not to any meaningful level. And to be clear I said this back then also. Ehrhoff was a luxury and not a necessity, that in and of itself IMO anyhow made it a bad move. Poor asset management.
Yep, throughout the game their lack of foot speed was quite noticeable. They looked at times like they were playing in quicksand.They have played together around 205 min 5v5 over the past two years with tonight being the most they've played together under HCMJ.
They haven't ever looked good together because neither one of them is particularly fast, neither one of them moves the puck particularly well and Bortuzzo isn't fast enough or good enough to cover both his and Scuderi's short-comings.
If they move Martin and it is possible Ehrhoff picks up his game in Martin's absence. When you have too many of the same type of player it is always possible someone's abilities are being held back and it forces them to take up the challenge.
Scuds is a hard guy to move. The other two I would rather have than Kulemin...but that's just me!
I'd still be down for that. If JR could flip Dumoulin for someone like Ritchie and then Martin for a young winger from Anaheim I'd consider that a success. Ritchie, Anaheim winger, Kapanen, Sundqvist and 2015 1st round winger (maybe Megna and other WBS guys developing for us) would be pretty nice, maybe someone in free agency. Now if only Dallas and Anaheim would cooperate.
I think that is inherently risky and unreliable. What happens when Ehrhoff continues to play the same way (as most likely happens)?
I was actually talking about Nick Ritchie. He has the higher power forward upside. But his brother Brett is more NHL ready and would be easier to get. So yea, I agree, I'd be happy with those moves.
Ehrhoff has not been good but it was still a no brainer signing.
I'd be ok with that deal without KK involved. Honestly, I still think Pouliot has more value than Hertl. Not even that big on Hertl. But its the Kunitz for Marleau aspect that would make it worth it.
What about Pouliot and Martin for Cogliano and N. Ritchie?
And I love Cogliano, think his speed would play well next to Sid. But otherwise were back to looking at Martin for DSP or Silvferberg kinda deals.
Ehrhoff played 25 minutes for example tonight. This team is struck with him for this season no matter what because of his no movement clause, so you take your chances and hope for the best. Martin is going to go the UFA route this summer, so he is the obvious one to be moved and just hope Harrington is really ready to take the next step.
And Vrbata would really help now where as Ehrhoff really does not. Not to any meaningful level. And to be clear I said this back then also. Ehrhoff was a luxury and not a necessity, that in and of itself IMO anyhow made it a bad move. Poor asset management.
Hertl's proven to be a good NHL player who can score... despite Pouliot's very high upside... he's not worth more than Hertl.
Why bother with Cogliano and Ritchie? Just go with Martin for Palmieri/Etem/etc. Gives us a young player with upside who can help immediately. DSP/Silvferber/etc are fine. Get one of those, and a tweener (one of the usual suspects we've talked about to death), and we're good for the short term - and got younger.
I will keep saying this until my fingers fall off, Sid needs a guys who will make life easier for him, make him at peace. Playoffs last year changed Sid, he was abused to a new level of disrespect. Find him his own Tocchet. I don't care the price, get him a guy that can skate with a very nasty disposition (think Downey only heavy and angrier). If you can find Two, even better. Then, sit back and enjoy. PROFIT
I will keep saying this until my fingers fall off, Sid needs a guys who will make life easier for him, make him at peace. Playoffs last year changed Sid, he was abused to a new level of disrespect. Find him his own Tocchet. I don't care the price, get him a guy that can skate with a very nasty disposition (think Downey only heavy and angrier). If you can find Two, even better. Then, sit back and enjoy. PROFIT
How many games have Bort and Scuds played together tho? I'm not saying it's ideal, but having those 2 as your bottom pairing isn't terrible. Give them some PK mins and limit their even strength time. Id be nice to see Harrington or Dumo in there right now but that probably isn't happening anytime soon
Its a fair point that you shouldn't judge them on one game, but IMO i don't think Scuderi and Borts would work, especially if they play a team with speed in the playoffs like the NYR or Isles.
They have played together around 205 min 5v5 over the past two years with tonight being the most they've played together under HCMJ.
They haven't ever looked good together because neither one of them is particularly fast, neither one of them moves the puck particularly well, Bortuzzo makes some poor decisions with pinching and standing people up at the blueline, Scuderi errs on too much space to the opposing player, and Bortuzzo isn't fast enough or good enough to cover both his and Scuderi's short-comings.