Speculation: 2013 Offseason: UFAs, Trades, What's Next? | Part VII

[Nolan11]

Curious, what's your Sharks fan's take on Boyle's value?

I think Stephane Da Costa would be a good fit on your team. Your centers are getting older and older and I think he can definitely be a 50 point center(if not more) for you guys down the line with 1st or 2nd PP time.

He wouldn't be valuable enough to return Boyle though, I don't think.

In the other thread (weeks ago) Da Costa + your 2013 17th overall was discussed. Several fans from both teams thought that was fair (I was too hung up on Noeson, which your fans were not willing to consider for Boyle).

 

[Nolan11]

Zibby is probably untouchable unless its for a Couture, obviously.

Just my opinion but I doubt the Sens are interested in Boyle at this point. With Wiercioch + Corvo signings and the "budget".

Not sure if you're implying Zibby for Boyle(+) but thats not even close.

I would have been willing to do a very large plus to Boyle for him, but if he is one of your untouchables then it is not worth discussing. Nothing I would add would pry him away, especially after depleting your wine cellar with the Ryan purchase. (Ie., you might have been more willing with Noeson + Silf still in system)

 

[Nolan11]

Curious, what's your Sharks fan's take on Boyle's value? .

Sorry, missed responding to this part of your post. Sharks fan concensus is Dan Boyle has slipped some, he is no longer a #1D for evens, but he is still a top notch PPQB and a #3D for just about any team. He is only signed for one year, but we would be willing to extend him for another 2 if he agrees to 5M cap. We expect him to be a top 4 for next 2-3 years and could play into his early 40s as a 3rd pairing PP specialist.

Next year, he will be good for 22 minutes a game.

Sharks could retain up to 3 M in his salary (bringing the hit to 3.67M) for the right return (and no more than 3 M salary coming back)

 

[Sensinitis]

In the other thread (weeks ago) Da Costa + your 2013 17th overall was discussed. Several fans from both teams thought that was fair (I was too hung up on Noeson, which your fans were not willing to consider for Boyle).

Personally, I wouldn't trade a 1st rounder alone for Boyle at this stage of his career.

 

[Benjamin]

Personally, I wouldn't trade a 1st rounder alone for Boyle at this stage of his career.

Agreed.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

Doubt it.

Corvo isn't going to take a spot from Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Phillips or Gryba, so the only way he get out of the 7th spot is if PW struggles in the 3/4 pairing or there is an injury.

 

[Nolan11]

Personally, I wouldn't trade a 1st rounder alone for Boyle at this stage of his career.

No worries. Just relaying the previous discussion.

Edit: Delete....

Thank you for the time and discussion. I am going to extract myself from your boards at this point. Not enough interest in Boyle to warrant my continued intrusion. Good luck in the next season!

 

[Holdurbreathe]

He is only 22 years old; he is actually younger than some of players who could push for a roster spot such as Dziurzynski, Hoffman, Da Costa and Grant.

Clifford has the upside to be another Chris Neil, with the potential of having significantly better offensive production. Clifford isn't going to take away spots from the top offensive prospects like Stone, Pageau, Lazar, Prince or Puempel, he will basically be taking a roster spot from a bottom sixer like O'Brien, Dziurzynski or Grant.

While I agree Clifford would be a nice add on the left side on the 3 or 4th line, I really don't believe he has the potential to be significantly better than Neil offensively.

I would be very surprised if LA let Clifford go unless it was gross overpayment. I would think Lombardi would move a D to get the space to sign Clifford.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

Personally, I wouldn't trade a 1st rounder alone for Boyle at this stage of his career.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Personally, I wouldn't trade a 1st rounder alone for Boyle at this stage of his career.

*Maybe* as a rental at the trade deadline

Maybe

We don't need him though so let another GM make that call

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Corvo isn't going to take a spot from Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Phillips or Gryba, so the only way he get out of the 7th spot is if PW struggles in the 3/4 pairing or there is an injury.

I agree other than Gryba. I think he'll possibly sit some games in favour of Corvo depending on our opponent. Maclean showed last year that he will rotate the D just so they dont get stale in the press box, so I dont think it'll come down to one guy sitting 82 games.

With Corvo he's an unknown to Maclean, so he may end up liking his game and keeping him in the lineup regularly, or he could end up in the doghouse until next summer when we let him walk away, but I doubt it's set in stone in his mind at this point.

 

[aragorn]

He is only 22 years old; he is actually younger than some of players who could push for a roster spot such as Dziurzynski, Hoffman, Da Costa and Grant.

Clifford has the upside to be another Chris Neil, with the potential of having significantly better offensive production. Clifford isn't going to take away spots from the top offensive prospects like Stone, Pageau, Lazar, Prince or Puempel, he will basically be taking a roster spot from a bottom sixer like O'Brien, Dziurzynski or Grant.

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Personally, I would offer up Da Costa & Petersson for Clifford, two prospect forwards that Ottawa doesn't really need any more & that LA can send to their farm team. Some on here would say either one is worth more than Clifford & if they are right & it's an over payment than that should be more than enough to entice LA.

1. Trade Da Costa &/or Petersson for Clifford & sign him for 2 yrs @ $1.25K.
2. Get JOB off the books by trading him for a pick or a prospect on a two way contract. Maclean isn't using him anyway, they may as well get rid of the contract.
2. Ottawa still has the cap space to make a major move to acquire one of Hemsky ($5 mil), Vrbada ($3 mil) or Fleischmann ($4.5 mil) whoever would be available for what Ottawa would be willing to offer. Salary has to go back the other way so if BM were to send Conacher & Condra to Phoenix for example in return for Vrbada Ottawa would acquire a legitimate top 6 NHL scorer who could also move up to the top line if Michalek got hurt again, as insurance. Is Ottawa a better team by adding Clifford & Vrbada & promoting Stone then if they keep JOB, Condra & Conacher? Ottawa would increase their budget by just under $3 mil by adding these two & promoting Stone.

Ryan - Spezza - Michalek
MacArthur - Turris - Vrbada
Greening - Zibanejad - Stone
Clifford - Smith - Neil/Kassian

 

[armani]

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Personally, I would offer up Da Costa & Petersson for Clifford, two prospect forwards that Ottawa doesn't really need any more & that LA can send to their farm team. Some on here would say either one is worth more than Clifford & if they are right & it's an over payment than that should be more than enough to entice LA.

1. Trade Da Costa &/or Petersson for Clifford & sign him for 2 yrs @ $1.25K.
2. Get JOB off the books by trading him for a pick or a prospect on a two way contract. Maclean isn't using him anyway, they may as well get rid of the contract.
2. Ottawa still has the cap space to make a major move to acquire one of Hemsky ($5 mil), Vrbada ($3 mil) or Fleischmann ($4.5 mil) whoever would be available for what Ottawa would be willing to offer. Salary has to go back the other way so if BM were to send Conacher & Condra to Phoenix for example in return for Vrbada Ottawa would acquire a legitimate top 6 NHL scorer who could also move up to the top line if Michalek got hurt again, as insurance. Is Ottawa a better team by adding Clifford & Vrbada & promoting Stone then if they keep JOB, Condra & Conacher? Ottawa would increase their budget by just under $3 mil by adding these two & promoting Stone.

Ryan - Spezza - Michalek
MacArthur - Turris - Vrbada
Greening - Zibanejad - Stone
Clifford - Smith - Neil/Kassian

Pipedream scenario, based on Murray’s recent track-record/strategy and what he has been professing. There will be no more signings or trades on forward lineups when the before the season begins.

The opening day lineup will most likely look something like this:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=69548353&postcount=132

If there is a variation, it would include prospects already in the system.

 

[Sensinitis]

Such a dilemma we have with Zibby. Either he becomes a sniping winger(IMO, if he plays wing he'll be using his shot more and be looking to shoot more, like in the WJC) or one of the best two way third line centers in the league(but more of a playmaker) in a few years.

His versatility is definitely a good thing, but it would be best for him to stick to one position for the best personal development possible.

Murray stated that management see him as a center, which I agree with, but we presently have a hole on second line RW. I guess we'll see how it plays out. Michalek-Spezza-Ryan-MacArthur-Turris are locks for five top-six spots, leaving the last one up for grabs.

It's between Conacher, Greening, Hoffman, Stone, Pageau(if he converts) for that spot. Noteworthy: Stone is the only natural RW in that group. It is possible he has the most extended look for that spot considering MacArthur and one of Michalek/Ryan will be playing LW.

 

[mikey]

Curious, what's your Sharks fan's take on Boyle's value?

I think Stephane Da Costa would be a good fit on your team. Your centers are getting older and older and I think he can definitely be a 50 point center(if not more) for you guys down the line with 1st or 2nd PP time.

He wouldn't be valuable enough to return Boyle though, I don't think.

Da Costa is not making the NHL. Sorry bucko. Great passer, can read the ice well but doesn't get to where he needs to be/provide the coverage a center needs to on the ice.

Boyle is too old and does not fit within our plans.

If you want Zbad, you start at one of your better forwards.

Anaheim wanted him in the Bobby Ryan trade, which is an much more elite talent than what SJ can afford.

 

[Sensinitis]

Da Costa is not making the NHL. Sorry bucko. Great passer, can read the ice well but doesn't get to where he needs to be/provide the coverage a center needs to on the ice

I don't know if he'll get the opportunity elsewhere, but I can almost guarantee that on a team like Calgary he would be able to come in as a #2 center and produce at least 50 points if he's given 1st or 2nd PP time too.

Way too talented not to. His hockey IQ and passing are off the charts. His height, shot and skating certainly don't hinder him either.

 

[ATdaisuki]

I don't know if he'll get the opportunity elsewhere, but I can almost guarantee that on a team like Calgary he would be able to come in as a #2 center and produce at least 50 points if he's given 1st or 2nd PP time too.

Way too talented not to. His hockey IQ and passing are off the charts. His height, shot and skating certainly don't hinder him either.

maybe his shot does, but i agree. we should pawn his rights off to calgary, nashville, or florida. they're all hurting for skilled centers and i don't think they'd be against adding someone with potential like da costa.

edit: maybe not 50 points right off the bat though

 

[Hammertyme]

I agree other than Gryba. I think he'll possibly sit some games in favour of Corvo depending on our opponent. Maclean showed last year that he will rotate the D just so they dont get stale in the press box, so I dont think it'll come down to one guy sitting 82 games.

With Corvo he's an unknown to Maclean, so he may end up liking his game and keeping him in the lineup regularly, or he could end up in the doghouse until next summer when we let him walk away, but I doubt it's set in stone in his mind at this point.

Cant see Corvo playing much. I think he is an insurance policy for injuries...DEVELOPMENT IS THE GAME HERE IN OTTAWA..

 

[Super Cake]

So i was just recently watching game highlights from January and i got to say, jim o brien seemed like he was going to be a really good fit for the sens. Too bad he got removed from the lineup.

 

[Sensinitis]

maybe his shot does, but i agree. we should pawn his rights off to calgary, nashville, or florida. they're all hurting for skilled centers and i don't think they'd be against adding someone with potential like da costa.

edit: maybe not 50 points right off the bat though

I also find that his game is better suited for the NHL and that once he gets there, he would get hungrier as opposed to playing in the AHL.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Anyone else interested in how Gryba will perform in his contract year? , he had a really good rookie season, I think Grybs can become a solid #4, only problem with his game is he takes dumb penalties, and is out of position sometimes (rookie) . What do you guys think about him

I think soon we will be packed with top 4 D Methot, Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercioch, Ceci, Gryba, which is a good thing since they all have really good trade value

 

[Tampacuseforever]

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Personally, I would offer up Da Costa & Petersson for Clifford, two prospect forwards that Ottawa doesn't really need any more & that LA can send to their farm team. Some on here would say either one is worth more than Clifford & if they are right & it's an over payment than that should be more than enough to entice LA.

1. Trade Da Costa &/or Petersson for Clifford & sign him for 2 yrs @ $1.25K.
2. Get JOB off the books by trading him for a pick or a prospect on a two way contract. Maclean isn't using him anyway, they may as well get rid of the contract.
2. Ottawa still has the cap space to make a major move to acquire one of Hemsky ($5 mil), Vrbada ($3 mil) or Fleischmann ($4.5 mil) whoever would be available for what Ottawa would be willing to offer. Salary has to go back the other way so if BM were to send Conacher & Condra to Phoenix for example in return for Vrbada Ottawa would acquire a legitimate top 6 NHL scorer who could also move up to the top line if Michalek got hurt again, as insurance. Is Ottawa a better team by adding Clifford & Vrbada & promoting Stone then if they keep JOB, Condra & Conacher? Ottawa would increase their budget by just under $3 mil by adding these two & promoting Stone.

Ryan - Spezza - Michalek
MacArthur - Turris - Vrbada
Greening - Zibanejad - Stone
Clifford - Smith - Neil/Kassian

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[mikey]

Da Costa's skating is not where it needs to be to make the NHL.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Da Costa's skating is not where it needs to be to make the NHL.

Dang, I guess I missed the report on his skating being too slow for the NHL.

 

[aragorn]

Pipedream scenario, based on Murray’s recent track-record/strategy and what he has been professing. There will be no more signings or trades on forward lineups when the before the season begins.

The opening day lineup will most likely look something like this:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=69548353&postcount=132

If there is a variation, it would include prospects already in the system.

Isn't every proposal a pipedream since we are not involved in any way? I agree with you I doubt there will be any more moves too & have said so before, they will see what they have at training camp & decide from there..

Cant see Corvo playing much. I think he is an insurance policy for injuries...DEVELOPMENT IS THE GAME HERE IN OTTAWA..

Why not? He is a right shot, he is a PMD & he slots into Gonchar's spot for a yr while Ceci develops in Bingo. He is an experienced NHL defenceman who has had a decent NHL career. This will help the young guys so they can develop under controlled minutes. Gryba is also a right shot which I see him playing in the 3rd pairing.