haveandare
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Ugh. I love Hank as a player, but getting such an absurd contract is going to handicap the team. He can get it if he wants, but I don't want to hear anything about feeling bad for him for being on a thin team after that.
Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part V: Streit signs with PHI (4 years, $5.25M per)
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pld459666
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Hank being the back bone of this team is going to play a part in why this team doesn't win.
We are going to have to much cap space tied into that position.
He's not getting younger (not that he's old at all), but if we want to keep him fresh we are going to have to have a competent back up come in and play 20 games a year. That goalie will need to get paid decently to do so.
having 15% of your cap space tied into just 2 players is a problem for me.
I'd rater we cut that % to closer to 10% and use that savings on strengthening the rest of the team.
Think about it. The Conference Finals had 4 goalies with cap hits ranging from 1 million less to well over 4 million less than Lundqvist THIS YEAR.
the two goalies now Crawford (4+ million less) and Rask on an ELC, granted, had a cap hit of 3.6 million less.
We do not need the best goalie in the league to win the Cup.
imo, if cap space is your biggest worry then you trade Nash not Hank
not advocating either just saying keep the legit franchise player if you have to get space
not advocating either just saying keep the legit franchise player if you have to get space
NYR Viper
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Trade other players and make room.
Should the Pens trade Crosby and Malkin and try and get a 4 million dollar center and add elsewhere? No. You keep the elite talent you have already.
I think Bickell is being overrated here. But to say he is equivalent to Brian Boyle is just wrong. Bickell >>> Boyle
LaffyTaffyNYR
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Hank is awesome but he's a goalie the Malkin contract is not the bar v unless he can play forward and put up 100 pt seasons
KreidertheGlider
MDZ for NYR Blueline
Haha.
BOT: Why wouldn't you make that trade?
I'm not advocating it but if the Canes confronted us with that deal I would make it.
We lower the cap hit, get younger, get a #1 dman for an injured Staal and declining Girardi.
Plus we get McBain who has yet to show his colors.
It's a tough decision but worth it in a year or two IMO
Edit: there is also a chance we lose Staal in 2 years to CAR anyways and Danny G is a UFA soon too
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KreidertheGlider
MDZ for NYR Blueline
Hank can get that money for sure. Whether its in NY or not is the question.
Could he take a sweetheart deal? I don't know but I would trade him before we give him $9 mil a year for 8 years
KreidertheGlider
MDZ for NYR Blueline
Right I would trade Nash before I trade Hank even though our offense becomes putrid at best
NYR Viper
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Staal has stated he believes he will get back to 100%. Girardi is declining? Where?
It's an awful trade. You are hoping Faulk continues to progress and trading (2) top pairing guys on a team that is in win now mode for a young promising player and a guy who can't get into the lineup.
Rangers79
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I doubt Lundqvist gets 9 mil. i could see the 8 years though. Maybe I'm just being a fan but Lundqvist doesn't seem the type to just want the money, this isn't Kovy or Malkin we're talking here. I could see 8, 7.5 with bonuses.
KreidertheGlider
MDZ for NYR Blueline
"Though Staal is confident he can still play quality hockey at the NHL level, he doubts his eye will ever be 100%."
Puck daddy
" New York Rangers defenseman Marc Staal does not believe his injured right eye will ever fully heal. However, he does expect to return to elite level performance before next season."
Sbnation
He will be able to play tough minutes still but he will never be the same player.
His vision is still blurry and he gets headaches.
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Faulk is very good franchise defenseman.
The way Girardi plays, he will deteriorate faster than the avg NHLer IMO.
They are both UFAs soon.
We get a cheap dman who is better than both Staal and Girardi at this point and will only get better.
I would rather win in 3 seasons than almost win next season
pld459666
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Haven't seen any evidence supporting that.
Boyle is night and day better defefensively while Bickell may have better offensive instincts.
Bickell is having a decent PO's, that's driving his value. His 6 years as a pro provide me a base from which to make my opinions of the player and what I see is a very flawed player having a good Playoffs.
The NHL is littered with marginal players that have had good playoffs just to revert back to what they really are. Marginal players. We need look no further than last years PO's before Boyle got concussed. He was having a monster series against Ottawa. He's still a marginal player.
Bickell is a marginal player that is banking on this years PO's to get him a fat contract. One that we need to stay FAR away from.
KreidertheGlider
MDZ for NYR Blueline
Right, Boyle does so much more than score.
PK, face offs, PP etc.
He is much more important to a team than Bickell.
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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NYR Viper
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His vision was fine. Hew got headaches because something was detached which just needs time to heal.
Faulk is not better than either a healthy Staal or Girardi at this point.
How can you guarantee a win in 3 seasons?
pld459666
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Because on an overall basis, we become alot worse defensively with Faulk and McBain than with Staal and Girardi.
And While I like that Faulk kid, I'm not seeing a guy that can carry the offensive load for a team. Granted, he may be good for 30-40 points a year. I believe Staal can provide those same numbers. He was on pafe for 40+ points this year.
I think we take a significant step back defensively with this trade AND we take a step back offensively as well.
I fully believe that over the course of a full season both Staal and Girardi will provide better defence and produce better offensive numbers than Faulk and McBain.
KreidertheGlider
MDZ for NYR Blueline
Let me reword that I would rather have a better chance of winning the cup in 3 years which I believe we get with Faulk and McBain.
We become very deep on defense with the trade
McD-Faulk
MDZ-Stralman
Moore- McI/McB
Eminger
Just as a note I am not advocating Staal and Girardi for Faulk and McBain. Someone else suggested that.
I wanted MDZ+prospect/pick for Faulk
McD-Faulk
Staal-Girardi
Moore-McI
Fair enough. That all is just as true as what I am saying.
But this trade is nothing you should throw away without considering
Thirty One
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Bard's evaluation methods are well-documented. He draws a picture of how the players make him feel.
Trading Hank would be disastrous for the franchise. If they indeed keep guys like say Pyatt and Nash at combined 9mil over Lundqvist, then how can you continue cheering for this team under the control of current management?
Exactly what is it that Boyle does for the Rangers powerplay that makes him so valuable? I don't see it.
Here's why Bickell could be more valuable than Boyle: You can play Bickell on the top line and he can be a complimentary player. You cannot play Boyle on the top line and have it help the team.
Stats:
Boyle: 309 regular season NHL games - 46 goals and 82 points.
Bickell: 220 regular season NHL games - 40 goals and 90 points.
Bickell is more productive.
I'm not saying I want to acquire Bickell but if I could add one to the Rangers roster - at the same salary/contract - it would be Bickell.
Clown Fiesta
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Don't think Hank is going to try break the bank, he knows if we have to trade the team in front of him away he'll never win. He may test free agency though, think that's my biggest worry. But we'll see what happens. Really need to draft a goalie.
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