Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part III: Free Agents Suck

[NewLife]

Del Zotto for Burmistrov+ I would do in a heart beat. That would be an amazing boost for our forward depth

I guess that is how you spell his name.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

main board was discussing and mostly everyone seemed on board with a Del.zotto for Byfuglien. swap, thoughts? Is that the power RHD we need?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I guess that is how you spell his name.

Haha. I didn't even notice. Burmisimov would be my fav. center in the NHL

 

[Thirty One]

main board was discussing and mostly everyone seemed on board with a Del.zotto for Byfuglien. swap, thoughts? Is that the power RHD we need?

Um, done.

 

[I Eat Crow]

main board was discussing and mostly everyone seemed on board with a Del.zotto for Byfuglien. swap, thoughts? Is that the power RHD we need?

Where do I sign? It's not that I don't like DZ, but Buff is exactly what this team needs. Big shot, mean SOB, right handed

 

[NewLife]

Idk about Buff, one of Girardi or Staal have to be traded, too much salary on defense otherwise.

Or is he our new top six winger?

 

[HonestGabe]

Idk about Buff, one of Girardi or Staal have to be traded, too much salary on defense otherwise.

Or is he our new top six winger?

Buff as a winger is a big NO. He is too slow for top 6. He can play 3rd line effectively but I would much rather roll a D of

Staal Girardi
McD Buff
Moore Stralman

Sweet Jesus.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Idk about Buff, one of Girardi or Staal have to be traded, too much salary on defense otherwise.

Or is he our new top six winger?

He's too slow to forecheck anything. If you play him at forward he best be on a line with Hagelin. He would have to be paired with a mobile defenseman like McDonagh on D

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Buff as a winger is a big NO. He is too slow for top 6. He can play 3rd line effectively but I would much rather roll a D of

Staal Girardi
McD Buff
Moore Stralman

Sweet Jesus.

That defense does look pretty damn good.

 

[NewLife]

Buff as a winger is a big NO. He is too slow for top 6. He can play 3rd line effectively but I would much rather roll a D of

Staal Girardi
McD Buff
Moore Stralman

Sweet Jesus.

I know was kind of sarcastic.

On a second thought that's a killer d. Why not roll with it and slot in our young forwards in the line up.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If DZ gets traded for Byfuglien, you can say goodbye to Girardi, because the Rangers won't have the cap space to re-sign him.

DZ needs to be traded for a FORWARD.

 

[Kwayry]

If DZ gets traded for Byfuglien, you can say goodbye to Girardi, because the Rangers won't have the cap space to re-sign him.

DZ needs to be traded for a FORWARD.

I am not for swapping buff with DZ, but I must be missing something.
Is there a separate cap for forwards and Dmen?
A cap hit is a caphit whether it's a forward or a Dman, or you mean a cost controlled forward?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If DZ gets traded for Byfuglien, you can say goodbye to Girardi, because the Rangers won't have the cap space to re-sign him.

DZ needs to be traded for a FORWARD.

I disagree with that.. Think about it.. we have $14,155,833 available in cap space right now.. lets say that Mcdonagh/Stepan/Hags/Zucc takes up about 10M of that. think about 4 for Mcdonagh, 3.5-3.75 for Stepan, 2 for Hags, and 1 for Zucc, and sign Eminger for about the same at 750K, that leaves $2,655,833. If we buy out Richards, that gives us an additional 6.66M which gives us $9,322,500. Then we make the trade of Del Zotto (2.5M) for Buff (5.2M), leaves us with $6,672,500. We could create even more cap space if we can somehow trade Powe and Asham (of course they would need to be replaced). Maybe the plan here should be to do what the Yankees did this year (1 year contracts or very small multi year contracts). That would still give us about 7M going into next off season with the same cap (and it could go up) to give raises to Girardi, Callahan and Lundqvist.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I am not for swapping buff with DZ, but I must be missing something.
Is there a separate cap for forwards and Dmen?
A cap hit is a caphit whether it's a forward or a Dman, or you mean a cost controlled forward?

not many teams are willing to give up cost controlled forwards anymore.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I am not for swapping buff with DZ, but I must be missing something.
Is there a separate cap for forwards and Dmen?
A cap hit is a caphit whether it's a forward or a Dman, or you mean a cost controlled forward?

Byfuglien has a large cap hit — $5.3M per. I doubt the forward that the Rangers trade DZ for (if they do) would eclipse $3.5M per in cap hit. It's be, ideally, a young, cost controlled forward.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

McDonagh: $4.5M
Stepan: $3.5M-$4M
Hagelin: $2M-$2.5M
Zuccarello: $1.5M

By my count, the low estimate on these RFAs is $11.5M — not $10M. That is, IMO, a pipe dream number. Realistically, it'll be between $11.5M and $13M.

 

[Kwayry]

I disagree with that.. Think about it.. we have $14,155,833 available in cap space right now.. lets say that Mcdonagh/Stepan/Hags/Zucc takes up about 10M of that. think about 4 for Mcdonagh, 3.5-3.75 for Stepan, 2 for Hags, and 1 for Zucc, and sign Eminger for about the same at 750K, that leaves $2,655,833. If we buy out Richards, that gives us an additional 6.66M which gives us $9,322,500. Then we make the trade of Del Zotto (2.5M) for Buff (5.2M), leaves us with $6,672,500. We could create even more cap space if we can somehow trade Powe and Asham (of course they would need to be replaced). Maybe the plan here should be to do what the Yankees did this year (1 year contracts or very small multi year contracts). That would still give us about 7M going into next off season with the same cap (and it could go up) to give raises to Girardi, Callahan and Lundqvist.

The Hockey News Salary Predictions For Free Agency

Ryan McDonagh: Between $4 million and $5 million.
Derek Stepan: Between $4 million and $5 million.
Carl Hagelin: Between $2 million and $3 million
Mats Zuccarello: Between $1 million and $2 million

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The Hockey News Salary Predictions For Free Agency

Mcdonagh will not be paid more than Staal, and Stepan will need an OS to hit 5M.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

anyway, I was just pointing out that the Rangers wouldnt HAVE to move Girardi (if my numbers for our RFAs are right, and I think they are pretty damn close), if they made a DZ for Buff swap.. I have said all along though I would rather move him for a forward. Though that defense is so damn good, we might actually be able to use guys like Fasth and/or Lindberg because the defense and Hank might not allow many goals at all.

 

[mike14]

McDonagh: $4.5M
Stepan: $3.5M-$4M
Hagelin: $2M-$2.5M
Zuccarello: $1.5M

By my count, the low estimate on these RFAs is $11.5M — not $10M. That is, IMO, a pipe dream number. Realistically, it'll be between $11.5M and $13M.

surely McD won't get paid more than Staal?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

surely McD won't get paid more than Staal?

I don't see how Staal's contract is very relevant. This is under an entirely new CBA with a different cap, and McDonagh is also arbitration eligible, while Staal was not.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I don't see how Staal's contract is very relevant. This is under an entirely new CBA with a different cap, and McDonagh is also arbitration eligible, while Staal was not.

because unless a team offer sheets Mcdonagh he wont. Sather considers Staal the "rock" of the defense, the best defenseman (pure defense) we have. I just dont see him getting more than Staal. and if you're another team do you really want to OS Mcdonagh with Sather as a GM?

 

[Kwayry]

I don't see how Staal's contract is very relevant. This is under an entirely new CBA with a different cap, and McDonagh is also arbitration eligible, while Staal was not.

But the cap is going down, I am not sure how that would impact the negotiations.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

because unless a team offer sheets Mcdonagh he wont. Sather considers Staal the "rock" of the defense, the best defenseman (pure defense) we have. I just dont see him getting more than Staal. and if you're another team do you really want to OS Mcdonagh with Sather as a GM?

Again, he's arbitration eligible, while Staal was not. That plays a HUGE factor. If Staal were arbitration eligible, he would have gotten more than the ~$4M that he got.

 

[Kwayry]

because unless a team offer sheets Mcdonagh he wont. Sather considers Staal the "rock" of the defense, the best defenseman (pure defense) we have. I just dont see him getting more than Staal. and if you're another team do you really want to OS Mcdonagh with Sather as a GM?

It takes 2 to tango. As much as we want to keep the costs down, the agent would like to maximize his client's revenue and his own.