Speculation: 2013 NHL Trade Deadline Thread (CBJ deadline discussion here)

[Stretch Factor]

SIAP-I just realized there are only 12 games after the trade deadline. That plus the tight bunching of potential playoff teams means very little happens on deadline day.

I just can't imagine teams are willing to give up draft picks for 12 games.

 

[CBJx614]

SIAP-I just realized there are only 12 games after the trade deadline. That plus the tight bunching of potential playoff teams means very little happens on deadline day.

I just can't imagine teams are willing to give up draft picks for 12 games.

No but a team might for a shot at 28 more games. (regular season + playoffs)

 

[major major]

I don't like this presumption that we can't win the cup. Very very unlikely, of course, but possible. A red hot goalie and solid team play has gotten some unlikely teams very far in recent years.

 

[CBJx614]

I don't like this presumption that we can't win the cup. Very very unlikely, of course, but possible. A red hot goalie and solid team play has gotten some unlikely teams very far in recent years.

While that's true, this season isnt like many others. The playoff race is so tight, one or two slip ups and the season is over. We'd need a hot goalie/team for another 30 games to have a shot. But who knows, in all honesty this is the team I expected to see if we had a full training camp/offseason/preseason. Maybe Cam will have another late season surge?

 

[Jackets16]

I don't like this presumption that we can't win the cup. Very very unlikely, of course, but possible. A red hot goalie and solid team play has gotten some unlikely teams very far in recent years.

You have to make decisions based on what is likely to happen. We have a better chance of not even making the playoffs than we do of winning the Stanley Cup. That is just my opinion though. I can understand why some don't agree with my opinions.

 

[Mayor Bee]

SIAP-I just realized there are only 12 games after the trade deadline. That plus the tight bunching of potential playoff teams means very little happens on deadline day.

I just can't imagine teams are willing to give up draft picks for 12 games.

Teams used to do this all the time. When the trade deadline was in late March (sometime around the 20th-25th), massive amounts would be paid for what would amount to 10-15 regular season games plus playoffs.

Of course, by then there was usually a lot more of a breakaway among teams in the hunt. With everything so tightly compacted this year, more teams will be in the hunt and fewer will be selling. This could be the biggest sellers' market in history.

 

[punk_o_holic]

SIAP-I just realized there are only 12 games after the trade deadline. That plus the tight bunching of potential playoff teams means very little happens on deadline day.

I just can't imagine teams are willing to give up draft picks for 12 games.

There might be a G.M. who is under pressure from a owner to make the playoffs for the extra revenue. So if acquiring a player to play 12 games and help them possibly get into the playoffs then trading a away draft picks might be worth it.

 

[Kev22]

SIAP-I just realized there are only 12 games after the trade deadline. That plus the tight bunching of potential playoff teams means very little happens on deadline day.

I just can't imagine teams are willing to give up draft picks for 12 games.

Obviously after seeing the return for Douglas Murray, it depends on the need, the player and the GM. Shero was willing to pony up 2 second round picks to acquire the player he felt the Penguins needed. If the Jackets fall out of the race, which after Saturday looks more likely, GMJK is going to prey on those GM's that are willing to pay the price for players like Aucoin, Umberger, Brassard, Nikitin, etc.

 

[Xoggz22]

Obviously after seeing the return for Douglas Murray, it depends on the need, the player and the GM. Shero was willing to pony up 2 second round picks to acquire the player he felt the Penguins needed. If the Jackets fall out of the race, which after Saturday looks more likely, GMJK is going to prey on those GM's that are willing to pay the price for players like Aucoin, Umberger, Brassard, Nikitin, etc.

I don't see Umberger as a deadline deal guy. Maybe in the off season.... Nikitin could be a nice pickup for someone considering his age and that he has 1 year left on his deal. Brassard may fall into the same category as Umberger although he only has 1 year left and woudl be a RFA after that so he would have nice potential value to someone who feel's he could be their #2 C for now and the future.

Aucoin probably nets a 3rd which would be good given we gave ours up in the Nash deal and I simply don't see them in the Stanley Cup.

 

[InjuredChoker]

I don't see Umberger as a deadline deal guy. Maybe in the off season.... Nikitin could be a nice pickup for someone considering his age and that he has 1 year left on his deal. Brassard may fall into the same category as Umberger although he only has 1 year left and woudl be a RFA after that so he would have nice potential value to someone who feel's he could be their #2 C for now and the future.

Aucoin probably nets a 3rd which would be good given we gave ours up in the Nash deal and I simply don't see them in the Stanley Cup.

Was Cup the condition or making the finals?

 

[Fro]

Was Cup the condition or making the finals?

getting there

 

[Xoggz22]

Was Cup the condition or making the finals?

I'm pretty certain it was making the SCF. Don't need to win the Cup but need to make the finals for the CBJ to KEEP the pick. Either way, I don't see the Rangers as this year's LA Kings....

 

[CBJx614]

I'm pretty certain it was making the SCF. Don't need to win the Cup but need to make the finals for the CBJ to KEEP the pick. Either way, I don't see the Rangers as this year's LA Kings....

If they keep up at this rate Washington is going to blow by NYR and knock them out of a spot

 

[InjuredChoker]

I'm pretty certain it was making the SCF. Don't need to win the Cup but need to make the finals for the CBJ to KEEP the pick. Either way, I don't see the Rangers as this year's LA Kings....

Yeah, me neither. Just wondering.

 

[Arch City Zach]

I agree.

He's a great find late in the draft, I'm just not sure he's got enough to be a top six forward, counted on to score consistently. Sort of the same way I feel about Matt Calvert.

I came to the conclusion that Calvert is pretty well settled on the 3rd line once we have a real checking line. He's the guy that can play great defense but is always a threat to streak away and score a highlight reel goal. It's why I love seeing him on the PK. Atkinson, who knows where he'll settle. I don't see 1st line, but I'd love to see what he and Brass could do with maybe Foligno or Prospal.

 

[major major]

I came to the conclusion that Calvert is pretty well settled on the 3rd line once we have a real checking line. He's the guy that can play great defense but is always a threat to streak away and score a highlight reel goal. It's why I love seeing him on the PK. Atkinson, who knows where he'll settle. I don't see 1st line, but I'd love to see what he and Brass could do with maybe Foligno or Prospal.

I still see first line as a strong possibility for Atkinson. Not elite by any means, but he can be a 30 goal scorer. He's just now getting healthy and maybe a stint in Springfield or a summer of rest can help him get his confidence back.

 

[KeithBWhittington]

No but a team might for a shot at 28 more games. (regular season + playoffs)

Do you think the CBJ have that "One player" that can get someone over the hump though? All respect to Vinny aside, I don't think they do.

And we know the CBJ certainly aren't only one player away from a realistic cup run this season.

 

[Jackets16]

Do you think the CBJ have that "One player" that can get someone over the hump though? All respect to Vinny aside, I don't think they do.

And we know the CBJ certainly aren't only one player away from a realistic cup run this season.

Morrow was traded for a lot (even if you don't like the prospect Dallas got) and he is a 34 yo with 11 pts and a -8 in 29 games. You don't think we have anyone that good?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Morrow was traded for a lot (even if you don't like the prospect Dallas got) and he is a 34 yo with 11 pts and a -8 in 29 games. You don't think we have anyone that good?

Prospal is the answer to this question. Doesn't bring the heavy like B Morrow, but is still a smart and effective offensive player who brings experience and leadership and passion. For a team looking for someone like Morrow, they could do worse than Vinny.

That said, I hope JD and Jarmo have decided to honor the gentleman's agreement and if they trade Vinny it will only be until he is re-signed in the offseason. Of couorse, I have no idea what the FO is thinking in this regard. Maybe they don't want to move him at all, or maybe they don't see him the way many of us do.

RJ would be the other player I could see going to a team looking for both on and off-ice presence for a playoff run. His contract could scare some teams off. Brass to me would be a less significant acquisition for a team that might have interest, more for depth and flexibility.

So yes, I'd think there would be some interest (I know this was your implication and you didn't really need this detailed and answer) in some of our players.

 

[Jackets16]

Prospal is the answer to this question. Doesn't bring the heavy like B Morrow, but is still a smart and effective offensive player who brings experience and leadership and passion. For a team looking for someone like Morrow, they could do worse than Vinny.

That said, I hope JD and Jarmo have decided to honor the gentleman's agreement and if they trade Vinny it will only be until he is re-signed in the offseason. Of couorse, I have no idea what the FO is thinking in this regard. Maybe they don't want to move him at all, or maybe they don't see him the way many of us do.

RJ would be the other player I could see going to a team looking for both on and off-ice presence for a playoff run. His contract could scare some teams off. Brass to me would be a less significant acquisition for a team that might have interest, more for depth and flexibility.

So yes, I'd think there would be some interest (I know this was your implication and you didn't really need this detailed and answer) in some of our players.

I didn't need any answer. I was being . I thought it was obvious. Pointing out how a player who hasn't been doing good got a top propsect. Or I could have pointed out how another got 2 second round draft picks. BTW, I hope JD and Jarmo don't care about an agreement they didn't make. I am not saying be a jerk about it, but they need to make deals that improve the Blue Jackets (that may be keeping Prospal). They can't worry about some agreement made by the previous GM.

 

[Samkow]

https://twitter.com/ice_chip

Jussi Jokinen on waivers.

He's completely sucked this year. But I think he's perfect for the team, and probably the same caliber of player I'd expect Kekalainen to pick up to improve the team at the deadline.

I hope we put in a claim. Though I doubt he falls to us.

 

[HoldFast13]

https://twitter.com/ice_chip

Jussi Jokinen on waivers.

He's completely sucked this year. But I think he's perfect for the team, and probably the same caliber of player I'd expect Kekalainen to pick up to improve the team at the deadline.

I hope we put in a claim. Though I doubt he falls to us.

Ah....you beat me to it Sam.

 

[Kev22]

Not sure that they'd want to claim Jokinen. He's got 1 year and 3M left on his contract. If he were an UFA, I might give that a whirl, but not when you're still on the hook for another year.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I didn't need any answer. I was being . I thought it was obvious. Pointing out how a player who hasn't been doing good got a top propsect. Or I could have pointed out how another got 2 second round draft picks. BTW, I hope JD and Jarmo don't care about an agreement they didn't make. I am not saying be a jerk about it, but they need to make deals that improve the Blue Jackets (that may be keeping Prospal). They can't worry about some agreement made by the previous GM.

Yeah I answered anyway.

As to Prospal, they have to "care about" the agreement. It has to be addressed, even if addressing it means telling Vinny it's gone. Of course JD/Jarmo should do what they thinks is best for the org. Pretty sure that's what I've been saying all along. I've also been saying all along that it's possible he's taken a look around and seen some stuff he'd like to keep - which could include said "agreement." Thus it wouldn't be some agreement they didn't make, but an agreement they did make.

 

[Xoggz22]

Yeah I answered anyway.

As to Prospal, they have to "care about" the agreement. It has to be addressed, even if addressing it means telling Vinny it's gone. Of course JD/Jarmo should do what they thinks is best for the org. Pretty sure that's what I've been saying all along. I've also been saying all along that it's possible he's taken a look around and seen some stuff he'd like to keep - which could include said "agreement." Thus it wouldn't be some agreement they didn't make, but an agreement they did make.

I have to believe that the "agreement" has already been discussed and addressed. We'll certainly have our answer at the deadline and again around July 1st. No doubt Vinny offers value to this organization (not just the team on the ice). The question is if the FO wants to move on without Vinny on the ice and he's not ready to retire.... That's where I think it gets sticky. If that is the case, the decision is likely made to try to move him at the deadline and work with him on agreeing to a trade.

By all accounts, Vinny loves Columbus. He could simply say I refuse to accept a trade and will retire at year and to live my days out in Columbus for my family. It's also entirely possible that Vinny says trade me to a contender and I'll see you in July to further take this team North.