2013 New Jersey Devils (Team/Player Discussion)-Offseason FA and trade talk Part XV

[Cowbell232]

At 19-20 years old Lokti was bouncing from the NHL/AHL while Zajac was at a D-1 School. Prior to that, at 18, he was outperforming Zajac in the "O," at a younger age in a harder league (CHL vs D-1) despite not being apart of a program as superior as Zajac's was relative to the rest of the teams in the league.

My point is that the argument that Zajac warranted some sort of reasonable expectation of a 60 point season entering age 23 isn't as plausible as some want to make it seem in hindsight. He had struggled in the NHL as a kid, as many do, and it wasn't a lock that he was going to take that next step. Just because you're picked in Round 1 doesn't mean you're some sure-fire star, especially when you're picked in the 20s like Zajac and Tedenby.

Tedenby has 29 points on 104 games. Zajac had 76 in 162. Both first round picks. Obviously Trav outperformed Teddy but I think a lot of people would be laughed at if they said Teddy was going to put up, let's say 40 points just because he was a first round pick.

You're backing up your argument with a lot of objective opinion and not a lot of facts.

They're going to keep ripping you apart, and rightfully so.

 

[apice3*]

I honestly have no idea how the conversation has continued to get worse and worse. I thought it would have bottomed out 2 pages ago but wow.

I'm bowing out of this one.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Why do people believe that the CHL is vastly superior over the college game? These days especially, that simply is not true.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

Seriously, can we just close this thread 70 posts early and start a new one?

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'd really like more people to get in on this Loktionv/account bet. Hopefully SC123 joins 50 point side.

I am staying the hell out of this bet. Rather just root for all our centers to do really well and go drink some Lou-Aid.

 

[apice3*]

So what are the options for this bet?

As of right now, the two bets are Loktionov over/under 50 points and Loktionov vs. Henrique.

If Loki hits, 50+, me and ZBC get banned. If he doesn't hit 50, PSEG gets banned.

If Loki outscores Henrique, me and ZBC get banned. If Henrique outscores Loki, Balance gets banned.

I wish we could monetize it, honestly.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I honestly have no idea how the conversation has continued to get worse and worse. I thought it would have bottomed out 2 pages ago but wow.

I'm bowing out of this one.

it all started because some one said "i think Loki can put up 60 points"

and then everyone explained to him for 10 pages why he is not allowed to have that opinion.


hey guys member that time we had that one GDT, it was great. man i miss those.

 

[Burner Account]

If Andrei Loktionov scores 50 or more points, OR if he scores more points than Adam Henrique, I will never post on HFBoards again.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

You're backing up your argument with a lot of objective opinion and not a lot of facts.

They're going to keep ripping you apart, and rightfully so.

I don't understand how it's not factual.

The argument that it was reasonable to expect Travis Zajac to put up 60 points at age 23 is unreasonable when parlayed with the denouncing of Loktionov ever putting up 60 points.

How can you say that a guy who had less success at the lower levels than Lokti has more of a reasonable expectation to score 60 at age 23 than a guy who outperforms him against even tougher competition?

And I even said that I don't believe it's likely that Loktionov gets 60. I just think he will. And I said I was going out on a limb.

 

[apice3*]

I am staying the hell out of this bet. Rather just root for all our centers to do really well and go drink some Lou-Aid.

I'd love to be wrong in this case, honestly. But if Loktionov had even an outside shot at 60, I wouldn't make the bet.

He might not even make the opening night roster.

 

[Devils Trap]

Are these bets off if one or the other is injured for an extended period of time ?

 

[Burner Account]

i don't understand how it's not factual.

The argument that it was reasonable to expect travis zajac to put up 60 points at age 23 is unreasonable when parlayed with the denouncing of loktionov ever putting up 60 points.

How can you say that a guy who had less success at the lower levels than lokti has more of a reasonable expectation to score 60 at age 23 than a guy who outperforms him against even tougher competition?

And i even said that i don't believe it's likely that loktionov gets 60. I just think he will. And i said i was going out on a limb.

ncaa > chl

 

[hlaverty06]

Im not saying Loktionov is better than Zajac but some of you guys need to watch him play for god sake. Sure he is great at defense but his offense is relatively non-existent

Also everyone needs to stop saying Loktionov is a product of Kovy because to be honest the more I watch Zajac the more I think he was a product of Zach.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

Why do people believe that the CHL is vastly superior over the college game? These days especially, that simply is not true.

Maybe not vastly but certainly superior. The CHL is still better. And the parody is certainly better too.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Henrique's gonna get hurt and throw a huge wrench into all this and I'm going to blame this thread for causing people to cheer against Lokti scoring goals! LMAO

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

it all started because some one said "i think Loki can put up 60 points"

and then everyone explained to him for 10 pages why he is not allowed to have that opinion.


hey guys member that time we had that one GDT, it was great. man i miss those.

Thank you.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

parity, not parody.

Although parody really fits this thread's vibe right now. Geeesh.

 

[apice3*]

Are these bets off if one or the other is injured for an extended period of time ?

Yeah. Being placed on waivers, being a healthy scratch, or going to the AHL does not negate the bet, however.

 

[aboriginal]

Loki WILL score 54 point this year **** you guys.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Are these bets off if one or the other is injured for an extended period of time ?

I mean, I guess we have to throw legitimate injuries in there

but everything else, no.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

parity, not parody.

Although parody really fits this thread's vibe right now. Geeesh.

Woops. Maybe that's what drew that out.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Im not saying Loktionov is better than Zajac but some of you guys need to watch him play for god sake. Sure he is great at defense but his offense is relatively non-existent

Also everyone needs to stop saying Loktionov is a product of Kovy because to be honest the more I watch Zajac the more I think he was a product of Zach.

Zach was on pace for ~60-65 points this year, without Travis

maybe Zach is a product of Travis?

 

[Devils Trap]

Yeah. Being placed on waivers, being a healthy scratch, or going to the AHL does not negate the bet, however.

Down .If (longterm injuries) negate the bet

Im willing to bet Lokti doesnt hit 50 points

 

[hlaverty06]

Everyone here's just blowing smoke, none of you will hold up your ends of the bet.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

SO how about Schneider eh. I'm thinking he'll get about 42-45 starts.