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I picked Donovan over De Haan only because I thin De Haan's development was held back a bit and while I think his ceiling is higher, I don't think he is as ready to play as Donovan is.

I do think Hickey is above Donvan and if Hickey got a contract, technically, I would say that Hickey, by default, should be rated higher than Donovan. Am I wrong with this thinking?


If you are going to add Hickey to this list as a prospect, he should be on the voting list.
 
steveat said:
I picked Donovan over De Haan only because I thin De Haan's development was held back a bit and while I think his ceiling is higher, I don't think he is as ready to play as Donovan is.

I do think Hickey is above Donvan and if Hickey got a contract, technically, I would say that Hickey, by default, should be rated higher than Donovan. Am I wrong with this thinking?


If you are going to add Hickey to this list as a prospect, he should be on the voting list.
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I am not voting in these polls, just doing them for the fun of it. So my input/opinion is not important for the polls rankings purposes.

However I agree to a point that Donovan, de Haan, Hickey are clearly a grouping. Its a matter of preference as to who you would take 1st 2nd or 3rd but none should be significantly above or below the other 2. Looks like Hickey is going to finish far below the other two as many others are getting added before him.

Donovan, de Haan, Hickey were all AHL all stars. Good leaders very good skaters and good transition/ break out quarterbacks. All are responsible defensively though lack size/ physical play to varying degrees. All were impressive in wjc play and I THINK all won gold medals. Donovan wasn't a first round pick but the other 2 were (lottery picks). All three have different offensive upsides but all require a good bit of projection to rank those ceilings.

Bottom line Hickey is going to finish a lot lower than the other two and its probably due to the fact that he was acquired on waivers and not drafted fourth overall by the Islanders Six years ago. Just my opinion.


Steve I'm pretty sure you watch the AHL games and I'm sure that's why you have these players grouped together... (as do I)

EDIT: Hickey won two gold medals (captain for one), de Haan won two silver medals, Donovan won one gold. All three are more decorated (in the ahl and amateurs) than pelech, pokka, Mayfield, pedan etc whom are getting added before hickey.
 
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Donovan, de Haan, Hickey were all AHL all stars. Good leaders very good skaters and good transition/ break out quarterbacks. All are responsible defensively though lack size/ physical play to varying degrees. All were impressive in wjc play and I THINK all won gold medals. Donovan wasn't a first round pick but the other 2 were (lottery picks). All three have different offensive upsides but all require a good bit of projection to rank those ceilings.

Bottom line Hickey is going to finish a lot lower than the other two and its probably due to the fact that he was acquired on waivers and not drafted fourth overall by the Islanders Six years ago. Just my opinion.
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Agree with this. If Hickey were drafted by the Islanders, he'd be viewed differently. But Isles fans (all hockey fans, I'm sure) seem to feel a player they haven't seen in the NHL just yet is always better than a player they have seen.

I remember reading that Anders Lee was a top prospect, then, after two games, he has "so much to work on" (and we'll see how much he drops this year, compared to last.

Hickey - Donovan - deHaan were 2007, 08, 09 drafts, all within an inch and 10 lbs of one another, all play a similar game. But why are the two players we haven't seen going to rank higher than the one guy who HAS played in the NHL, played well, earned a two year contract? Is it because, since we haven't seen them, maybe they will be even BETTER than we expect?

Donovan's got the best offensive numbers but many question his defensive play, propensity to make mistakes, defensive zone coverage. deHaan hasn't played much but I was impressed he was an All-Star at a young age when he had such poor offensive numbers - granted, it was a pretty bad team too, where he was greatly outscored by Donovan, Ness, Wishart and Landry.

Truth is, we have no idea how these guys will handle the next level.

It kinda puzzles me that Hickey isn't above both deHaan and Donovan on these polls, since he's at least shown he can play in the NHL, played a lot of minutes in the stretch run from March. Then he's made to look bad by the best player on the planet and suddenly he's "a stop gap" until the exact same player(s) are ready to take over.

I suspect deHaan will be the best of the three, to be honest. But he's so fragile and has missed so much time, he'll need to show a lot this year. And I believe he will.
 
Isn't the fact, that Hickey was picked from waivers a legitimate reason to put him lower in the prospect list? Injury history and the fact, that his offensive numbers did not steadily improve during his AHL career hurt his status as a prospect. He will also be 25 next season (February) and I don't see any problem with believing, that for example Pelech could have higher ceiling and likeliness to reach it. And I like Hickey and his puckmoving presence in sheltered role...
 
redbull said:
Agree with this. If Hickey were drafted by the Islanders, he'd be viewed differently. But Isles fans (all hockey fans, I'm sure) seem to feel a player they haven't seen in the NHL just yet is always better than a player they have seen.

I remember reading that Anders Lee was a top prospect, then, after two games, he has "so much to work on" (and we'll see how much he drops this year, compared to last.

Hickey - Donovan - deHaan were 2007, 08, 09 drafts, all within an inch and 10 lbs of one another, all play a similar game. But why are the two players we haven't seen going to rank higher than the one guy who HAS played in the NHL, played well, earned a two year contract? Is it because, since we haven't seen them, maybe they will be even BETTER than we expect?

Donovan's got the best offensive numbers but many question his defensive play, propensity to make mistakes, defensive zone coverage. deHaan hasn't played much but I was impressed he was an All-Star at a young age when he had such poor offensive numbers - granted, it was a pretty bad team too, where he was greatly outscored by Donovan, Ness, Wishart and Landry.

Truth is, we have no idea how these guys will handle the next level.

It kinda puzzles me that Hickey isn't above both deHaan and Donovan on these polls, since he's at least shown he can play in the NHL, played a lot of minutes in the stretch run from March. Then he's made to look bad by the best player on the planet and suddenly he's "a stop gap" until the exact same player(s) are ready to take over.

I suspect deHaan will be the best of the three, to be honest. But he's so fragile and has missed so much time, he'll need to show a lot this year. And I believe he will.
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Very well said. I'm going with CDH next (99% of hockey writers would have him in our top 5), then Hickey, if there (who I added in this vote).
 
I don't consider Hickey a prospect and don't know where I should put him. Ahead of Mayfield and Pedan?
 
redbull said:
It kinda puzzles me that Hickey isn't above both deHaan and Donovan on these polls, since he's at least shown he can play in the NHL, played a lot of minutes in the stretch run from March. Then he's made to look bad by the best player on the planet and suddenly he's "a stop gap" until the exact same player(s) are ready to take over.
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Based on that logic then Hickey should be our #1 prospect even over Strome.

If you want to base your votes on what a prospect has already proved and playing time in the NHL, that is your right. Personally I'm voting on how I think a prospect will top out as a player assuming he reaches his potential.

Based on what I've seen from Hickey so far he could be a bottom pairing defenseman on a Cup caliber team, but even that isn't proven yet. Either way I see Donovan, Pulock, Reinhart, & CDH (and maybe even a few othe D prospects) all being higher up on the defensive totem pole assuming they can reach their potential. And that is why I'm voting all of them over Hickey despite none of them playing in the NHL yet.
 
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I don't consider Hickey a prospect and don't know where I should put him. Ahead of Mayfield and Pedan?
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Yeah, I have no idea how to rank him here. I guess he's still a prospect by HF and this poll's standards, but I don't think many really view him as one of our prospects.
 
IslesRock4 said:
Yeah, I have no idea how to rank him here. I guess he's still a prospect by HF and this poll's standards, but I don't think many really view him as one of our prospects.
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I know you secretly hate Hickey. :)

I personally don't consider him a prospect anymore. He still has upside, but I look at him like another Hillen type. Ultimately, he's a decent stop gap while Reinhart, Pulock, Mayfield, Pokka, and Pedan continue to develop. Donovan and CDH should be challenging him for minutes next season too.
 
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