Prospect Info: 2013 Habs Board Prospect Rankings Final Results

[DekeLikeYouMeanIt]

Does any other team have our depth of likely NHLers? That list is pretty insane. Love the amount of skilled long shots.

Next year is going to be so much fun keeping track of all these guys.

Not even close. Few "surefires" but there are plenty better in overall depth: Buffalo, Tampa, Chicago, Winnipeg, Anaheim, Columbus (after the 3 1sts), Florida, Minny, etc.

 

[PsychoticHab]

I have a feeling that one year later, we will be look at this list and laughing at how low Didier is. Just a gut feeling.

I would gladly do this (not just for Didier) if it were to occur.

 

[Roulin]

So why is everyone so down on Nattinen? Did he bust already?

I liked him a couple of years ago, but his development has been slower than you'd expect from a forward headed towards an NHL career. Nattinen is turning 23 next season and hasn't had a cup of coffee in the big leagues. Now it appears as though Bournival may have passed him on the depth chart. I'd love to see him make it, but IMO the odds are against him.

 

[TT1]

imo:

1. Nathan Beaulieu, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs
2. Jarred Tinordi, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs
3. Sebastien Collberg, Left Wing/Right Wing, Frolunda
4. Zachary Fucale, Goaltender, Halifax Mooseheads
5. Mike McCarron, Right Wing, London Knights
6. Charles Hudon, Left Wing, Chicoutimi Sangueneens
7. Jacob De La Rose, Center/Left Wing/Right Wing, Leksands
8. Christian Thomas, Right Wing, Hamilton Bulldogs
9. Darren Dietz, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs
10. Louis Leblanc, Right Wing/Center, Hamilton Bulldogs
11. Artturi Lehkonen, Left Wing/Right Wing, Kalpa
12. Magnus Nygren, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs
13. Tim Bozon, Left Wing, Kamloops Blazers
14. Sven Andrighetto, Right Wing/Left Wing, Hamilton Bulldogs
15. Mac Bennett, Defenseman, Michigan Wolverines
16. Greg Pateryn, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs
17. Michael Bournival, Center, Hamilton Bulldogs
18. Dalton Thrower, Defensman, Vancouver Giants
19. Morgan Ellis, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs
20. Gabriel Dumont, Center, Hamilton Bulldogs

 

[WeThreeKings]

Why the love so high on Collberg and so low on Lehkonen?

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Seeing Mayer just in front of Delmas is pretty funny.

We've seen Collberg at the WJC this year and followed him all season. It's natural that due to exposure that Collberg would be highly rated. I expect, if Lehkonen continues to develop, that he finds his way into the top 7 next year.

 

[HabsSlappy]

I feel like this is most wrong this board has got the order in years.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Not even close. Few "surefires" but there are plenty better in overall depth: Buffalo, Tampa, Chicago, Winnipeg, Anaheim, Columbus (after the 3 1sts), Florida, Minny, etc.

What's so special about the depth of the Jets list in terms of depth? Sure, their top 2 is terrific, but after that you are not talking about anything spectacular.

From their board's top 20 rankings:

1. Jacob Trouba
2. Mark Scheifele
3. Josh Morrissey
4. Adam Lowry
5. Zach Redmond
6. Nic Petan
7. Paul Postma
8. Eric O'Dell
9. Connor Hellebuyck
10. Ivan Telegin
11. Eric Comrie
12. Jimmy Lodge
13. Scott Kosmachuk
14. Arturs Kulda
15. J.C. Lipon
16. Julian Melchiori
17. Juho Olkinuora
18. Ryan Olsen
19. Brenden Kichton
20. Andrew Copp

 

[montreal]

I can't believe Crisp is rated so high. Ridiculous.

I would consider having him higher, as I've been working on my list for the start of next season. I like what I've seen from him in the little I've seen so far. If he can get quicker the Habs might have something there. I don't know if he will crack my top 20 or not but I could see him being close to it.

Mark Macmillan was ranked way too low IMO

He could be, college kids are often overlooked since many don't get to see them much. Really like the way he plays but he still needs a lot of filling out.

This is an impressive list...
Best list of ours in awhile.

I find these lists usually look the best at this time of the year, but when the season ending rankings come out there's usually a much different tone. I don't think this list is all that better from other years. Lots of depth but lots of big question marks.

I have a feeling that one year later, we will be look at this list and laughing at how low Didier is. Just a gut feeling.

I wouldn't bet on it but I do like him as I think he's someone we could really use but also want to see him improve his all round game. I don't think I would have him in my top 20 yet.

So why is everyone so down on Nattinen? Did he bust already?

I was never a fan, he hasn't impressed me much yet but at least he's got a solid frame. Should be interesting to see how he does next season after missing so much time.

I think Lehkonen should be higher. Nathan Beleaiu should be #1 AINEFCFFS

I am not as big of a fan of Beaulieu as most around here. I think he's going to get eaten alive by Hab fans in the future as his defensive game has major holes in it. I'm not sure that Beaulieu makes my top 3 at this point. The skill is there but he's got a lot of work to do imo.

Why the love so high on Collberg and so low on Lehkonen?

I like Collberg a lot more since I like his compact frame/skating/speed/mobility, whereas Lehkonen I have big concerns over his skinny frame as he's going to need a lot of work on improving lower body strength and getting quicker for such a small player imo. That said I would likely have him higher as well, since the numbers he put up in the FNL are very impressive. He's in my top 10 for sure even though I don't know what my top 10 is yet. The numbers he's put up at his age just jump out, so it's going to be fun to see what he can do in Hamilton in a couple years.

 

[Darz]

Would love to hear TT's list of top 10-15 prospects in the organization.

 

[overlords]

Would love to hear TT's list of top 10-15 prospects in the organization.

Don't count on it.

 

[le_sean]

Fucale ahead of McCarron is mind-bogging. Fucale was drafted in the second round and McCarron was drafted 25th and they haven't played a single game since then. Moreover, most people voting have barely (if ever) seen McCarron play in a game.




I said last year McMillan was underrated... Well he still is.

I'd say his ceiling is higher than McCarron. Sure, McCarron brings a unique skillset, but he'll probably top out as a 2nd liner. Fucale has #1 goalie potential. He's also proven a lot more so far in their respective, but short, careers.

 

[chaosrevolver]

When guys like Vail and Didier are not in top-20..you know you have a deep prospect pool.

 

[MarkovtoSubban]

If you rate prospects purely by highest potential upside, based on tools, Beaulieu is top of the list with Collberg.

Highest Upside Potential

1-Beaulieu
2-Collberg
3-McCarron
4-Lehkonen
5-Fucale


If you rate them by likeliest to achieve potential, Collberg is still top of the list.

Most Likely to Achieve Potential

1-Tinordi
2-Collberg
3-De la Rose
4-Fucale
5-McCarron

So Collberg should be the top prospect, highest potential upside and most likely to achieve maximum upside.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

I can't believe Crisp is rated so high. Ridiculous.

I'm gonna go out on a limb right now and call him this year's Ian Schultz.

 

[ChemiseBleuHonnete]

I disagree with the post I've read thus far. I'm not a pessimist by nature but this prosepct poll isn't impressive at all.

 

[ChemiseBleuHonnete]

If you rate prospects purely by highest potential upside, based on tools, Beaulieu is top of the list with Collberg.

Highest Upside Potential

1-Beaulieu
2-Collberg
3-McCarron
4-Lehkonen
5-Fucale


If you rate them by likeliest to achieve potential, Collberg is still top of the list.

Most Likely to Achieve Potential

1-Tinordi
2-Collberg
3-De la Rose
4-Fucale
5-McCarron

So Collberg should be the top prospect, highest potential upside and most likely to achieve maximum upside.

I'm not so sure about Collberg. He's got great tools but he's also very awkward with his short stick and hunched over style. I hope he does well, but I'd like to see him in the AHL/NHL before saying he's likely to reach his potential.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I disagree with the post I've read thus far. I'm not a pessimist by nature but this prosepct poll isn't impressive at all.

How I see it as our prospect pool AS WELL as our current young core which IMO ranks up there as good as almost anyone in the league.

Galchenyuk, Subban, Gallagher, Eller, Pacioretty, Price (I think he can get it back).

THEN add all these other guys and to me things look really really good.

 

[25get]

Huh...pretty certain you mean de la Rose. Timmins hinted pretty strongly on draft night that they picked DLR ahead of Fucale because they thought it was possible DLR could be Carolina's pick at 35 since they picked a fellow Swede in Lindholm in round 1 (obviously a moot point since BUF traded for that pick). That type of thinking can work when you have 2 picks in a 2-3 spot range. I refuse to believe they had Fucale ahead of McCarron on their list, but I definitely understand why people would have Fucale ahead of McCarron right now. It's the classic question of high upside with questions about whether it will be fulfilled versus a safe prospect with solid upside. McCarron can be one of the more unique forwards in the game if he puts it all together, but in the end you have to say it's a question mark in terms of what he'll be. He's just raw at this point. Fucale doesn't have elite/Vezina Trophy winning upside, but he clearly has good starting goalie upside and seems quite likely to get there. Very polished already.

And to add to the sentiment, I don't get how MM slipped to 25 on this list.



Hard to show what you're worth when you can't stay healthy.

Last 25 years Vezina:

1. Bobrovsky - Undrafted;
2. Lundqvist - 205th;
3. Thomas - 213th (two Vezina);
4. Miller - 138th;
5. Brodeur - 20th (four Vezina - drafted after Trevor Kidd);
6. Kiprusoff - 116th;
7. Theodore - 44th (Storr, Fichaud, Ryabchikov and Cloutier were picked in first round);
8. Hasek - 199th (6 Vezina);
9. Kolzig - 19th;
10. Belfour - Undrafted (2 Vezina);
11. Roy - 51st (three Vezina - third round - after Billington and Reaugh).

So at this point, nobody seems to be able to identify a Vezina Trophy winner.
Only one goaltender to be picked first of his draft won the Vezina: Kolzig.
Two first round picks were able to get a Vezina.
On the Conn Smythe side, Ward and Giguere were all picked in first round (but Roy, Vernon, Quick and Thomas also won). So the hit rate is better.

Projection of Vezina trophy winner is quite tough.

Curious to see someone who can project a Vezina/Elite among the last four or five drafts:
Markstrom, Vasilevkyi, Lehner, Subban, Gibson? (all in top-50 of Hockeyfuture)
Who predicted a top-5 for Bobrovsky or Anderson after 2011-12?
Ask the Flyers.

If you can not predict a Vezina trophy at the draft, then nobody can tell us who is not an elite goalie.

Just last year, Price was top prospect for Canada team and top-5 goalie in the league.
And for all we know, he could win the Gold and the Vezina next season or slip out of top-20 goalies in the league.

Nabokov (at 25), Mason and Raycroft all won the Calder.
Nabokov was a Vezina Nominee and Raycroft is now playing in Italian league.
BTW, the Bruins would have taken Pogge instead of Rask in the Raycroft trade.

Fucale is quite an interesting bet. He would have been gone at
Can't say he is going to be more than a backup goalie and can't say that he is not going to win multiple Vezina.
By the time he will be ready, we will probably have Tinordi, Beaulieu and Subban in our top-4.

 

[Maffew]

Why is Qualier so low on most lists? Honest question.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Why is Qualier so low on most lists? Honest question.

I still like him as a prospect but his debut in Hamilton wasn't anything to write home about.

 

[Hagged]

Why the love so high on Collberg and so low on Lehkonen?

Looking at their stats, actually even if they were of the same age, I'd rank Lehkonen higher. When you add in that Lehkonen is one and a half year younger, you can't help but think Lehkonen has the higher upside of the two.

Of course there are the concussion concerns on Lehkonen but I would maybe rate them on the same level as far as prospect value goes.

 

[ottawa]

Surprised to see Vail that low

 

[montreal]

Why is Qualier so low on most lists? Honest question.

He wouldn't be in my top 25, thought he looked very ineffective in the AHL.

Looking at their stats, actually even if they were of the same age, I'd rank Lehkonen higher. When you add in that Lehkonen is one and a half year younger, you can't help but think Lehkonen has the higher upside of the two.

Of course there are the concussion concerns on Lehkonen but I would maybe rate them on the same level as far as prospect value goes.

If you just look at stats, Lehkonen could be our top prospect as the numbers he put up in the FNL at his age is very impressive. But you have to factor in everything when ranking prospects, and since Lehkonen looks like he could get beat up by a 10 year old I personally wouldn't rank him in my top 5 until he adds a lot of mass and strength especially lower body. What good are stats if they don't translate to the NHL. If Lehkonen had blazing speed it would make me feel better about his transition to North American hockey.

 

[FrontierPsyCHiatrist*]

agree with that list... I'm sure a few players from 10-20 will become NHLers...

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

He wouldn't be in my top 25, thought he looked very ineffective in the AHL.



If you just look at stats, Lehkonen could be our top prospect as the numbers he put up in the FNL at his age is very impressive. But you have to factor in everything when ranking prospects, and since Lehkonen looks like he could get beat up by a 10 year old I personally wouldn't rank him in my top 5 until he adds a lot of mass and strength especially lower body. What good are stats if they don't translate to the NHL. If Lehkonen had blazing speed it would make me feel better about his transition to North American hockey.

for sure. as much as I really like our prospect pool, it kinda sucks that for so many of them we have to add, 'if he can get faster and add 15 lbs of muscle'. Mind you if they already had those things we probably woudn't have been able to draft most of them so there you go.

The fact that Lehkonen is damn near 6 feet, makes me confident he'll add enough muscle to his frame.