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Prospect Info: 2013 Draft [Part 8]: Unsolved Mysteries: MacKinnon, Drouin or Barkov? 4 Days Remain

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Of all three forwards I prefer Drouin the least. I've done extensive Youtube scouting and I'm not sure his high risk dangles translate to the NHL. Barkov brings size, unparalleled playmaking skill and a decent shot. Mackinnon brings a clearly translatable flashy game to the NHL.

Agreed.

Drouin is easily at the bottom of those 3 for me. Mack is the clear #1, then its Barkov followed closely by Drouin.


I suspect all 3 players will be good NHLers, but IMO Drouin will have the hardest time adjusting to the NHL, and I'm not sure he'll be as good as some people expect him to be.
 
There's more to Drouin's game then dangles you think NHL scouts have him in the top 3 because all he can do is deke 18 year olds? There's nothing that says he can't do it in the NHL too.

Unparalleled, in terms of finish players sure but in this draft IT"S DROUIN by far. His vision is unmatched, his passing skills are just as good and not too mention his off the charts hockey IQ. REally tho Drouin can put the puck where ever he likes on the ice.

I have seen Drouin 20 times in the last 2 years and what you said is 100% accurate.

3 months ago, RDS (French version of TSN) asked 12 QMJHL GM or Coach if they would pick Drouin or MAck

10 said Drouin
1 said Mack
1 said that he did not know

by the way, Tourigny and Roy were in those 12.

Agreed.

Drouin is easily at the bottom of those 3 for me. Mack is the clear #1, then its Barkov followed closely by Drouin.


I suspect all 3 players will be good NHLers, but IMO Drouin will have the hardest time adjusting to the NHL, and I'm not sure he'll be as good as some people expect him to be.

How many times did you see him play... and I am not talking Youtube highlights here?

I have a lot of respect for guys like Seph, RS, Henchman, ... they saw Jones play in the west and they always are able to back up what they have to say about the kid, but your comment demonstrate that you never saw Drouin play.

Drouin IQ, on ice vison and hockey sense are > than Mack's (and I love Mack by the way).
 
I haven't been able to watch much of any of the top 4 players in this draft. So to everyone out there that wants to answer this, if we draft Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, or Barkov, will we end up with an elite player? If the answer is yes then aren't we in a win-win situation with all 4? If all four can be elite players and solid contributors then I'm not worried at all.

Does anyone know if Barkov will come over this year or if he is going to wait it out another year or two?
 
I haven't been able to watch much of any of the top 4 players in this draft. So to everyone out there that wants to answer this, if we draft Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, or Barkov, will we end up with an elite player? If the answer is yes then aren't we in a win-win situation with all 4? If all four can be elite players and solid contributors then I'm not worried at all.

Does anyone know if Barkov will come over this year or if he is going to wait it out another year or two?

The question is who will be the best, not whether the player is elite or not.
 
I have seen Drouin 20 times in the last 2 years and what you said is 100% accurate.

3 months ago, RDS (French version of TSN) asked 12 QMJHL GM or Coach if they would pick Drouin or MAck

10 said Drouin
1 said Mack
1 said that he did not know

by the way, Tourigny and Roy were in those 12.
Were they asking who is the better player in juniors or who will be the better pro? Just wondering, because there's a difference and the Avs have to figure that part out.
 
How many times did you see him play... and I am not talking Youtube highlights here?

I have a lot of respect for guys like Seph, RS, Henchman, ... they saw Jones play in the west and they always are able to back up what they have to say about the kid, but your comment demonstrate that you never saw Drouin play.

Drouin IQ, on ice vison and hockey sense are > than Mack's (and I love Mack by the way).

I've seen him play roughly 10-12 times.


I understand the Drouin supporters will continue to say he's going to be fine in the NHL blah blah blah. I have heard it many times before from other people.


Its not going to change my opinion. I'm not sold that the guy will be able to easily translate his game to the NHL level like Barkov and Mackinnon will. I think he'll have to adjust his game and wont he as effective as the other 2 in the long run.

You don't agree with me? That's awesome for you.


If the Avs draft Drouin and I prove to be wrong, well I will gladly accept being wrong. If we draft Drouin and I'm right, its going to be very disappointing watching Mack and Barkov become talented #1C's while Drouin is a #2 Winger.
 
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Oh.. First I was convinced it was going to be Jones, then Mac, then leaning towards Barkov and now you guys have talked me into thinking it could be Drouin with 1st overall..

I'm losing my mind! :cry:
 
Oh.. First I was convinced it was going to be Jones, then Mac, then leaning towards Barkov and now you guys have talked me into thinking it could be Drouin with 1st overall..

I'm losing my mind! :cry:

If we're not drafting Jones, then we all better hope it's MacKinnon that we're taking.

I wouldn't mind Barkov, but not at #1. I enjoy seeing that his "closest comparison" is that of Anze Kopitar, but can we be realistic here...would you really want to take a Kopitar-like player at #1 overall? In what is supposed to be a good draft?

Jones, in my opinion, is the BPA, but since the Avs are hellbent on selecting a forward, take the best forward available, and that's MacKinnon.
 
Adrian Dater @adater
Lots of chatter that Avs are trying to create smokescreen saying they will take forward No. 1. GMs aren't buying it. We'll see
 
If we're not drafting Jones, then we all better hope it's MacKinnon that we're taking.

I wouldn't mind Barkov, but not at #1. I enjoy seeing that his "closest comparison" is that of Anze Kopitar, but can we be realistic here...would you really want to take a Kopitar-like player at #1 overall? In what is supposed to be a good draft?

Jones, in my opinion, is the BPA, but since the Avs are hellbent on selecting a forward, take the best forward available, and that's MacKinnon.

I agree with this, but them at least 'liking' Barkov makes it easier to trade down to #4 and pickup one or two good assets from Nashville. The only thing Nashville needs more than Barkov is Mackinnon.

I wouldn't be sad at all if we did something like trade #1 for #4 + Ekholm + Watson (Suggested by Lonewolfe).

NSH - Mackinnon
Florida - Drouin/Jones
Tamp - Jones/Drouin
COL - Barkov + Ekholm + Watson (One of their fans said they'd even add their 2014 1st)

Like you say though, not sure how happy I would be with Barkov at #1 but I wouldn't panic either.
 
Sakic told LeBrun the same thing....

Which means passing on blue-liner Seth Jones, a Denver native.

"He’s a great player, he’s going to be good," Sakic said over the phone from Denver. "But after we had our internal meetings we came up with these three forwards, (Nathan) McKinnon, (Jonathan) Drouin and (Alexander) Barkov. We’re really leaning towards one of those three forwards.

So to be clear, you'll pick of of those three players, Sakic was asked.

"If we’re picking first overall, yes," he said firmly.


To which some people are responding, "Why tell the world?"

"It was more really for our fans here, to let our fans know what we’re thinking going into the draft,” said Sakic, the Avs' vice-president of hockey operations. ``That’s really what the purpose was, let them know where we’re leaning. What I said is that we’re picking first overall and this is what we’re doing."

Sakic has been a straight shooter all his life. He’s not the kind of guy to say something and mean the opposite. Still, the impact of his comments could be construed to help the Florida Panthers (No. 2 overall pick) and Tampa Bay Lightning (No. 3) feel more anxious now to perhaps pick up the phone and offer a package to Colorado to move up.

"Honestly, I don’t know what to expect," Sakic said of possible offers for the first pick. "We’ll see when we get there. We're going to do what we feel is best for our organization. If somebody calls, we’ll obviously listen. We’ll do what’s right."

"If we’re picking first overall....."

So if the Panthers move up, Jones?
 
Sakic told LeBrun the same thing....



"If we’re picking first overall....."

So if the Panthers move up, Jones?

Which means passing on blue-liner Seth Jones, a Denver native.

"He’s a great player, he’s going to be good," Sakic said over the phone from Denver. "But after we had our internal meetings we came up with these three forwards, (Nathan) McKinnon, (Jonathan) Drouin and (Alexander) Barkov. We’re really leaning towards one of those three forwards.

So to be clear, you'll pick of of those three players, Sakic was asked.

"If we’re picking first overall, yes," he said firmly.

To which some people are responding, "Why tell the world?"

"It was more really for our fans here, to let our fans know what we’re thinking going into the draft,” said Sakic, the Avs' vice-president of hockey operations. ``That’s really what the purpose was, let them know where we’re leaning. What I said is that we’re picking first overall and this is what we’re doing."

Sakic has been a straight shooter all his life. He’s not the kind of guy to say something and mean the opposite. Still, the impact of his comments could be construed to help the Florida Panthers (No. 2 overall pick) and Tampa Bay Lightning (No. 3) feel more anxious now to perhaps pick up the phone and offer a package to Colorado to move up.

"Honestly, I don’t know what to expect," Sakic said of possible offers for the first pick. "We’ll see when we get there. We're going to do what we feel is best for our organization. If somebody calls, we’ll obviously listen. We’ll do what’s right."
Honestly I think this makes sense, as others have said. Calming the backlash of not taking Seth Jones, because everyone and their brother had us picking him.

It also shows they are serious about communicating with the fan base better.

I like it to be honest, and it also makes their statement seem more genuine as well.

(I was completely on the side of selecting S. Jones #1 as well.)
 
Adrian Dater @adater
Lots of chatter that Avs are trying to create smokescreen saying they will take forward No. 1. GMs aren't buying it. We'll see

Let me just get this out of the way, so that it hopefully shows that I'm unbiased when it comes to Dater.

I enjoy him a hell of a lot more than a lot of people on here do. He and I both follow one another on Twitter, I've talked with him on numerous occasions on Twitter, we've exchanged DM's, he's given me advice on the best mattress to buy with a bad back (as I have one as well). In general I consider him an "internet friend". Someone who I can have quick, small conversations with and then move on.

But this is getting a bit ridiculous.

First, after the Draft Lottery we're treated to a copious amount of Articles on Seth Jones from Dater and other Denver Post writers about Seth Jones and how he will be the #1 overall pick.

Dater even says that he still feels Jones is the pick on his most recent podcast.

Then with the Sakic article, a complete 180 degree change. Then it's all about MacKinnon. I even asked if he believed that the way Sakic used his words "If we keep..." "Were leaning towards..." left the door open for Jones, however small it might be, he said "No." He believes MacKinnon is the pick

Then the Barkov news comes yesterday, so he starts talking about him a little bit.

Then this comes out? Kind of funny....
 
It was more really for our fans here, to let our fans know what we’re thinking going into the draft,” said Sakic, the Avs' vice-president of hockey operations. ``That’s really what the purpose was, let them know where we’re leaning. What I said is that we’re picking first overall and this is what we’re doing.

This was my guess. Prevent the shock in the media/fanbase when the "hometown kid" and the sure fire pick in the majority's eyes when he doesn't become an Av. Probably seen so much "Sakic got him into hockey!!" "Avs need defensemen" "Jones is the clear pick" and wanted to endure the shock a week before the draft rather than cloud whoever we do end up with at the draft with the they want waaay off board talk.

I'm sure it was meant to generate hype/offers esp with the Barkov stuff basically implying they could be interested in moving down to 3/4 as he's one of the 3 were leaning towards.

I really like that move if that turns out to be the case. Smart. I'd bet ALOT that we come away with Mac/Drouin/Barkov and think Seth Jones at this point isn't even a pipedream.
 
Let me just get this out of the way, so that it hopefully shows that I'm unbiased when it comes to Dater.

I enjoy him a hell of a lot more than a lot of people on here do. He and I both follow one another on Twitter, I've talked with him on numerous occasions on Twitter, we've exchanged DM's, he's given me advice on the best mattress to buy with a bad back (as I have one as well). In general I consider him an "internet friend". Someone who I can have quick, small conversations with and then move on.

But this is getting a bit ridiculous.

First, after the Draft Lottery we're treated to a copious amount of Articles on Seth Jones from Dater and other Denver Post writers about Seth Jones and how he will be the #1 overall pick.

Dater even says that he still feels Jones is the pick on his most recent podcast.

Then with the Sakic article, a complete 180 degree change. Then it's all about MacKinnon. I even asked if he believed that the way Sakic used his words "If we keep..." "Were leaning towards..." left the door open for Jones, however small it might be, he said "No." He believes MacKinnon is the pick

Then the Barkov news comes yesterday, so he starts talking about him a little bit.

Then this comes out? Kind of funny....

Is his tweet anything different from what TSN and CBC are reporting though? It's nothing new to be honest.

A lot of analysts said they think it could be a smoke screen, as I've said though. Roy and Sakic are smart enough to mix truth with their lies.

Maybe they do want S. Jones the most, but they don't see him as the BPA over Mackinnon. Adding in Barkov and Drouin when it comes to the comment protects them from having to say directly "We like Mackinnon over S. Jones", it could also help facilitate trade offers if other teams think Colorado genuinely likes Barkov and Drouin, because they would be willing to move all the way down to #3 or #4.

It's a way of communicating some truth to the fan base, and hinting that they'd be willing to trade down as far as #4 for the right deal.

If you give the statements their full credit, then it's actually fairly masterful in all that it accomplishes.

-They like Mackinnon better than Jones.

-They like all three of the top forwards in the draft.

-Fans get some inside info on what the team is thinking, without showing their hand to much.
 
This was my guess. Prevent the shock in the media/fanbase when the "hometown kid" and the sure fire pick in the majority's eyes when he doesn't become an Av. Probably seen so much "Sakic got him into hockey!!" "Avs need defensemen" "Jones is the clear pick" and wanted to endure the shock a week before the draft rather than cloud whoever we do end up with at the draft with the they want waaay off board talk.

I'm sure it was meant to generate hype/offers esp with the Barkov stuff basically implying they could be interested in moving down to 3/4 as he's one of the 3 were leaning towards.

I really like that move if that turns out to be the case. Smart. I'd bet ALOT that we come away with Mac/Drouin/Barkov and think Seth Jones at this point isn't even a pipedream
.

Can you seriously stop with this, it's getting quite ridiculous.
 
After reading that Lebrun article it's pretty clear this is not a bluff. After making statements like those, if I were a guy like Sakic, I'd be pissed that my word wasn't being taken seriously.
 
Just take MacKinnon, Joe. You played with Forsberg, so you know just how valuable a dynamic duo center combination can be. Duchene is just beginning to put it all together, and having MacKinnon to throw out after him will be a nightmare for other teams to match up against. Blazing speed and skill followed by more blazing speed and skill. Plus, the kid has a good head on his shoulders. He works hard, he plays for his teammates, he's highly competitive, and he can step his game up when it really matters. Your #1 is right there, just take him.
 
After reading that Lebrun article it's pretty clear this is not a bluff. After making statements like those, if I were a guy like Sakic, I'd be pissed that my word wasn't being taken seriously.

Maybe, maybe not.

I find this to be the most interesting:

So to be clear, you'll pick one of those three players, Sakic was asked.

"If we’re picking first overall, yes," he said firmly.

I think it's part truth, part smokescreen/posturing.

They keep saying "If we keep..." quite a bit actually, like they're almost begging someone to make them an offer.

So they may want Jones, Drouin or Barkov, but know that picking them picking them #1 wouldn't be "wise". Jones because he's a Defenseman (though I maintain that not all D-men are the same and if one is good enough for #1 overall you take him), Drouin because he's seen, in most eyes, as behind MacKinnon. Barkov for the same reason as Drouin, only he's seen as 4th in line.

So if they don't get an offer they like, yes I believe they'll take one of the 3 Forwards (who I hope is MacKinnon at that point), though if they trade down, I think the likelihood goes up that Jones may be back in play (though it would probably remain small)
 
Maybe, maybe not.

I find this to be the most interesting:



I think it's part truth, part smokescreen/posturing.

They keep saying "If we keep..." quite a bit actually, like they're almost begging someone to make them an offer.

So they may want Jones, Drouin or Barkov, but know that picking them picking them #1 wouldn't be "wise". Jones because he's a Defenseman (though I maintain that not all D-men are the same and if one is good enough for #1 overall you take him), Drouin because he's seen, in most eyes, as behind MacKinnon. Barkov for the same reason as Drouin, only he's seen as 4th in line.

So if they don't get an offer they like, yes I believe they'll take one of the 3 Forwards (who I hope is MacKinnon at that point), though if they trade down, I think the likelihood goes up that Jones may be back in play (though it would probably remain small)

Hence being smart enough to mix truth with their lies. Agreed
 
I don't think it's one inch posturing. He's doing it for the fans. The "if we keep the first pick" is obviously just to open up trade possibilities and to state the obvious - that if they move down from no.1 pick, they may end up picking someone else other than those three at, say, the no.6 or no.8 position.
 
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