2013-14 Point Predictions

[SLAPSHOT723]

or a Snickers, he's not SpeedDemon when he's hungry.

Better?

Better.

 

[Aucoin3]

Tavares- 45g 48a 93pts
moulson- 33g 37a 70pts
okposo- 23g 29a52pts
nielsen-15g 36 a51p
grabner- 28g 22a 50 pts

bailey- 19g 21 a -40pts
visnovsky- 12g 22a-34pts
hamonic- 7g-23 a-30pts
clutterbuck- 12g -15a 27pts
cizkas 11g 15 a-26pts
macdonald- 4g 17 a-21 pts
mcdonald 9g-11a-20pts
martin 10g 10 a -20pts
hickey- 5g-10 a- 15 pts
Bolton 3g-2 a 5pts


P Bouchard Idk any where in between 45-50 IF healthy...i dont know much about him honestly

This will be quite a season I hope you are right. In this case nearly every player would be breaking their career high in points including (Tavares, Moulson, Okposo, Nielsen and Bailey) Grabner is slated to miss his career high by only 2 points. Six players having career years at the same time, not to bad. If not for your Visnovsky prediction (probably the only understated player) you have the team averaging 4% better than their best career season.

 

[Poulin 0n My St1ck]

Tavares 37-48-85
Moulson 28-32-60
Okposo 23-29-52
Bailey 15-33-48 (could have more if he plays all season with JT, although I still don't think he breaks 60 points...this season...)
Nielsen 16-31-47
Visnovsky 8-36-44
Grabner 23-18-41
PMB 10-26-36 (injury-shortened season)
Clutterbuck 12-18-30
Nelson 12-17-29
Hamonic 6-22-28
Andrew MacDonald 4-22-26
Matt Donovan 3-22-25
Colin McDonald 11-13-24
Ryan Strome 8-16-24 (in 39 games)
Casey Cizikas 9-13-22
Matt Martin 7-10-17
Brian Strait 2-14-16
Thomas Hickey 2-14-16
Calvin deHaan 1-5-6
Peter Regin 1-3-4
Matt Carkner 0-2-2
Eric Boulton 0-1-1

235 GF

Top 10 offense (to make up for the crappy goaltending we're going to get)

 

[SpeedDemon]

So Tavares is slotted for only 59 points this year? Since you say no one will be over 60 points.

His puck-hoging technique may have worked once. it won't again.

Ok Debbie Downer. Thanks for the worst post of the month, got a good laugh.

I'm pessimist by nature. always expect the worst. that way you can prepare for it.

and I was trying to be realistic

Totally agree. No way Matt Moulson can get 30 goals for a 4th time. No way can Grabner or Tavares hit 30 again. No way can anybody on this team hit 60 points this season despite players having done so already. No way Moulson, who has 10 PIM total the last 2 seasons, can be be single digits in penalty minutes. etc. etc.

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic.

don't get me wrong I want to see this team succeed as much as the next guy but let's not live in clouds. this team has holes in every position.

 

[WangMustGo]

His puck-hoging technique may have worked once. it won't again.




I'm pessimist by nature. always expect the worst. that way you can prepare for it.

and I was trying to be realistic



I'm guessing you're being sarcastic.

don't get me wrong I want to see this team succeed as much as the next guy but let's not live in clouds. this team has holes in every position.

Is it really realistic to expect JT to have less than 60 points this season? Barring an injury that keeps him out an extended period of time, that wont happen. He has gotten significantly better each and every year, yet you suddenly expect him to have less than 60 points? If thats the case the Islanders will be at the bottom of the league.

 

[The Underboss]

His puck-hoging technique may have worked once. it won't again

That's laughable and you know it.

 

[steveat]

JT will have an 85-90 point season

We will seed 8th in the conference just losing out to 7th seed spot.

 

[Intangiblezz]

I think I have pretty good read on the Islanders and I have seen what most people expect:

John Tavares: 82GP - 37G - 49A - 86Pts
Josh Bailey: 78GP - 24G - 44A - 58Pts
Matt Moulson: 82GP - 26G - 29A - 55pts
Kyle Okposo: 74GP - 21G - 33A - 54pts
Frans Nielsen: 80GP - 13G - 35A - 48pts
Michael Grabner: 80GP - 24G, 15A - 39Pts
PM Bouchard: 53GP - 10G - 24A - 34Pts
Cal Clutterbuck: 76GP - 16G - 14A - 30Pts
Casey Cizikas: 81GP - 10G - 18A - 28Pts
Ryan Strome: 40GP - 9G - 15A - 24Pts
Colin McDonald: 77GP - 10G - 13A - 23Pts
Brock Nelson: 49GP - 7G, 14A - 21Pts
Matt Martin: 76GP - 7G - 11A - 18Pts
Peter Regin: 33GP - 3G - 11A - 14Pts
Anders Lee: 5GP - 1G - 2A - 3Pts
Johan Sundstrom: 4GP - 0G - 1A - 1Pts
Eric Boulton: 14GP - 0G - 1A - 1Pts

Lubomir Visnovsky: 80GP - 8G, 34A - 42Pts
Travis Hamonic: 82GP - 6G, 25A - 31Pts
Matt Donovan: 73GP - 5G - 21A - 26Pts
Andrew MacDonald: 76GP - 4G, 19A - 23Pts
Brian Strait: 68GP - 3G - 18A - 21Pts
Thomas Hickey: 52GP - 2G - 11A - 13Pts
Calvin DeHaan: 11GP - 1G - 3A - 4Pts
Matt Carkner: 44GP - 0G - 2A - 2Pts
Joe Finley: 6GP - 0G - 0A - 0Pts

I see the lines:

Josh Bailey - John Tavares - PM Bouchard(Strome comes in when Bouchard is injured)
Matt Moulson - Frans Nielsen - Kyle Okposo
Cal Clutterbuck - Brock Nelson/Peter Regin - Michael Grabner
Matt Martin - Casey Cizikas - Colin McDonald
- Eric Boulton, Brock Nelson/Peter Regin

Andrew MacDonald - Travis Hamonic
Brian Strait - Lubomir Visnovsky
Matt Donovan - Thomas Hickey/Matt Carkner
- Joe Finley, Thomas Hickey/Matt Carkner

Ryan Strome, Johan Sundstrom, Anders Lee and Cavin DeHaan being the main call-ups during the season.

231 goals for. In 2011-12, they would have been top 10 in goals for.

 

[nyiguy21]

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic.

don't get me wrong I want to see this team succeed as much as the next guy but let's not live in clouds. this team has holes in every position.

While being sarcastic, I was still making a point. This team didn't have success and those individuals still hit those totals. Take out last year which you could call a success, Moulson still has three 30 goal seasons. Tavares and Grabner each had 1. So to say nobody will hit 30 isn't reality in my eyes.
Tavares has been over 60 pts twice with being under a ppg once. Moulson had over 60 once as well. Even PAP hit 60 last year. This isn't impossible either.
Frans, Hamonic, Grabner, and Bailey amongst others have hit at least +5.
Moulson has had less than 10 PIMs before as well.
I could keep going, but you get the idea. To say it's a reality that these numbers can't be achieved is far fetched imo. Even disregarding the fact that Tavares had 28 goals in 48 games last year, and both he and Moulson were on pace for over 70 points. Unless you're that pessimistic and see a HUGE regression in the entire team to even worse than bottom-5. In which case, to each their own.

 

[SpeedDemon]

While being sarcastic, I was still making a point. This team didn't have success and those individuals still hit those totals. Take out last year which you could call a success, Moulson still has three 30 goal seasons. Tavares and Grabner each had 1. So to say nobody will hit 30 isn't reality in my eyes.
Tavares has been over 60 pts twice with being under a ppg once. Moulson had over 60 once as well. Even PAP hit 60 last year. This isn't impossible either.
Frans, Hamonic, Grabner, and Bailey amongst others have hit at least +5.
Moulson has had less than 10 PIMs before as well.
I could keep going, but you get the idea. To say it's a reality that these numbers can't be achieved is far fetched imo. Even disregarding the fact that Tavares had 28 goals in 48 games last year, and both he and Moulson were on pace for over 70 points. Unless you're that pessimistic and see a HUGE regression in the entire team to even worse than bottom-5. In which case, to each their own.

I pretty much sleep with a stats sheet under my pillow.
There's a reason Moulson had 3 30 goal seasons and then sunk to 15 (and it's not just the 48 games rather than 82) Tavares wasn't too proud to pass the puck and Parenteau was the chief engineer on that line (by the way getting 68 points in 11-12) Then Snow snubbed him and tried the "Boyes and Girls" experiment. He then continued to bring in players who's careers were in decline this off-season. He Brought in Viz and instead of playing him and Streit on separate powerplay units put them on the same one where they do more harm to each other than the opposition

I'd say Defense is a serious question mark. Streit was traded for scrap metal. Hammer and Amac still have no help and apart from Hickey the rest of blue line is mediocre at best. (not counting Viz as he is structly speaking an offensive defenseman)

Nabby is inconsistent (making a big save but then later allows a goal he shouldn't have) not to mention old and the backups aren't allowed to hone their game leaving the team with a gaping hole in the seasons to come. Just like Jersey before they snagged Schneider) who had relied on Broudeur for 20 years and then realized he couldn't play into his 70's.

 

[nyiguy21]

I pretty much sleep with a stats sheet under my pillow.
There's a reason Moulson had 3 30 goal seasons and then sunk to 15 (and it's not just the 48 games rather than 82) Tavares wasn't too proud to pass the puck and Parenteau was the chief engineer on that line (by the way getting 68 points in 11-12) Then Snow snubbed him and tried the "Boyes and Girls" experiment. He then continued to bring in players who's careers were in decline this off-season. He Brought in Viz and instead of playing him and Streit on separate powerplay units put them on the same one where they do more harm to each other than the opposition

I'd say Defense is a serious question mark. Streit was traded for scrap metal. Hammer and Amac still have no help and apart from Hickey the rest of blue line is mediocre at best. (not counting Viz as he is structly speaking an offensive defenseman)

Nabby is inconsistent (making a big save but then later allows a goal he shouldn't have) not to mention old and the backups aren't allowed to hone their game leaving the team with a gaping hole in the seasons to come. Just like Jersey before they snagged Schneider) who had relied on Broudeur for 20 years and then realized he couldn't play into his 70's.

It seems to me like you're saying like you feel this team will struggle next year. That's fine, but to say it's reality that those stats are unattainable for the players on this team isn't being real. The stats were already attained on a bottom-5 team, so even if this team does regress from last year, it's still a reality that the individual stats can be reached. You really don't think there is any way Tavares can hit 60 pts next year?

 

[SpeedDemon]

It seems to me like you're saying like you feel this team will struggle next year. That's fine, but to say it's reality that those stats are unattainable for the players on this team isn't being real. The stats were already attained on a bottom-5 team, so even if this team does regress from last year, it's still a reality that the individual stats can be reached. You really don't think there is any way Tavares can hit 60 pts next year?

On the money as far as the struggling goes.

As far as Tavares reaching 60 points two things have to happen
one- Tavares has to understand when to pass the puck instead going for the glory

Two- Snow has to get a player who's play making ability is was at least as good as Parenteau's with the same level of chemistry while looking the other at his defensive skill, even if it is medicore.

Top six forwards are mainly to provide offense. If they can provide defense that's a definite bonus but you need your top guns to put the puck in the net

 

[It Was 4 to 1*]

Bailey (15+40) - Tavares (30+60) - Moulson (35+20)
Bouchard (15+35) - Nielsen (10+40) - Okposo (25+25)
Grabner (25+10) - Nelson/Regin (10+25, combined) - Clutterbuck (15+10)
Martin (10+10) - Cizikas (15+10) - McDonald (15+10)
Regin, Boulton

MacDonald (5+15) - Hamonic (5+25)
Visnovsky (10+45) - Strait (3+10)
Hickey (4+15) - Donovan (4+10)
Carkner (1+5)

which is roughly 3 goals a game

 

[isles31]

this is always fun...

Tavares: 46-43-89
Moulson: 29-31-60
Bailey: 19-26-45
Nielsen: 9-33-42
Okposo: 22-28-50
Bouchard: 11-44-55
Nelson: 10-13-23
Grabner: 27-11-38
Clutterbuck: 11-14-25
Cizikas: 10-19-29
McDonald: 12-12-24
Martin: 10-9-19

Hamonic: 6-25-31
MacDonald: 4-22-26
Visnovsky: 10-32-42
Donovan: 6-16-22
Hickey: 2-18-20
Strait: 4-17-21

 

[ScaredStreit]

Everything seems right, but these scenarios involve no injuries, 82 games each.

No it doesn't. Almost all of the projections that are shooting for 240+ goals scored aren't taking into considering players stagnating, and even worse-some players have a down year. They're all based on the VERY lofty notion that every player is going to have their best year yet in the NHL.

Also if we look at the last full season of NHL play-most people's numbers on here would have the Isles in SECOND place among scoring (only behind the Pens).

Now don't get me wrong-I think we have a solid core, and a pretty good team. But by no means will this team be competing for the scoring title whatsoever. Some people need to come back down to earth.

Especially since offensively we didn't really upgrade at all. We brought in Clutterbuck (3rd/4th liner), and PMB (who I think will produce about the same as Boyes-maybe slightly better).

 

[Isles72]

barring injury , JT starts a string of 50+ goal seasons .

everyone else simply falls in line depending on pp time and so forth.