I'm really curious, what's goals vs threshold and how is it calculated? I know he was #1 Goals for percentage, that doesn't sound like that's what you're talking about.
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I'm really curious, what's goals vs threshold and how is it calculated? I know he was #1 Goals for percentage, that doesn't sound like that's what you're talking about.
useless... there is no point of having these type of players in the AHL if they have no chance to play in the NHL.... and this was a waste of a contract spot...
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Just looked at the box score for the first game of the Memorial Cup, London won 3-2 over Saskatoon.
Josh Nicholls had both goals for Saskatoon.
Josh Nicholls had both goals for Saskatoon.
Anybody know what's up with the Memorial Cup? It's usually shown on NHL network. They've stopped showing the whole tourney and just select games recently but I haven't heard anything about this year.
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Good to hear that Lindberg is contributing and getting playing time with Sweden. The more experience, the better.
It would be nice if he can come over and practice with the taxi squad, but it seems that they sent most of those guys home.
Going to be a very interesting offseason. Too many bodies like Powe, Pyatt, Dorsett, Asham, Clowe(?) and then of the rookies you have Miller, Kreider, Lindberg, Fast, Thomas, MSC, Hrivik, and Nicholls all fighting for spots.
It would appear the main two American kids and the two Swedes would be the front runners even if Bradley is bought out and some guy like Filpulla or Bozak is added. Torts is about adding kids and if Lindberg can play good defense and win faceoffs, he might be an asset too valuable to not keep on the big club.
It would be nice if he can come over and practice with the taxi squad, but it seems that they sent most of those guys home.
Going to be a very interesting offseason. Too many bodies like Powe, Pyatt, Dorsett, Asham, Clowe(?) and then of the rookies you have Miller, Kreider, Lindberg, Fast, Thomas, MSC, Hrivik, and Nicholls all fighting for spots.
It would appear the main two American kids and the two Swedes would be the front runners even if Bradley is bought out and some guy like Filpulla or Bozak is added. Torts is about adding kids and if Lindberg can play good defense and win faceoffs, he might be an asset too valuable to not keep on the big club.
Bergeron is a tier above ROR and I don't think OL could reach that level. ROR is good for his peak, as you said.
Realistically, hopefully he plays a lot like Marcus Kruger of the Blackhawks. He's been bounced from lines 1-4 so far with the Hawks and has defined a role as a 4th line PK specialist and a very damn good one at the PK. As long as the defense comes, I have little doubt that he'll be a key player for the team down the road.
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Lindberg is a lot more physical than Krüger though.
I've not watched him in the NHL, but in Sweden Krüger was a cerebral finesse player. Good defensively due to his IQ, racked up tons of assists, and hardly ever scored a goal. Lindberg is more in the ROR mould IMO if we are comparing playing styles.
I've been impressed by Krüger's transformation to defensive specialist, since I very much doubted that a small Swedish finesse center would stick as a bottom-6:er in the NHL.
But I agree that a Krüger-like impact is a realistic target. But Lindberg is more proven than Krüger was when he came over, so I'd say his ceiling as an NHL player is higher.
A couple of things:
1) It takes into account offensive and shootout contributions too. Why are you using it to make the case for his defense? Maybe he's the best 2 way forward, not necessarily defensive forward (goals for percentage really show you may be right, it's a measure how good of a two way forward you are).
2) I don't like that shootouts are included. I'm sorry that has nothing to do with how good of a player you are. There are some scrubs that are great at the shootout (Sjostrom) and some great players that are awful at it (Jagr). Plus there's no shootout in the NHL.
3) Seems like there are A LOT of factors. When that happens it reduces the margin for error significantly. Especially if those factors are very specific. That's what I like about the goals for percentage. There are only 2 factors that are straight forward. Once you add factors and make them more specific and obscure, you're increasing the possibility of whacky stats that don't have great correlation to what you're looking for.
Can someone break down Lindberg's offense? Shot, passing, vision, stickhandling?
I feel like this year we have had a deficit of defensive forwards. Last year we had a surplus of guys that brought defense and nothing else. Any chance Lindberg is a more offensively talented Boyle next year? Boyle has been very good in these playoffs but most of the season he's been bringing his line down. If we can get a Boyle like player that is not a black hole offensively and makes our 3rd line some sort of scoring threat that would be great.
I feel like this year we have had a deficit of defensive forwards. Last year we had a surplus of guys that brought defense and nothing else. Any chance Lindberg is a more offensively talented Boyle next year? Boyle has been very good in these playoffs but most of the season he's been bringing his line down. If we can get a Boyle like player that is not a black hole offensively and makes our 3rd line some sort of scoring threat that would be great.
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GVT for skaters is split up into OGVT, DGVT, and SGVT which represents the player's contributions offensively, defensively, and in the shootout. These are added together to measure a players all-round contributions; GVT.
Stepan led all forwards in DGVT. Bergeron led all forwards in DGVT/G. Stepan was 6th overall in GVT behind Toews, Crosby, Ovechkin, P. Kane, and Kunitz.
Lindberg played well today in Sweden's win against Finland. Got kudos from the Swedish commentators who brought up how he has grown during the tournament. MÃ¥rts put him out for key defensive draws.
This is my point with these stats. You get good not great players on great teams ranked highly.
Does Josh Nicholls have any real legit chance to be an NHL player some day? Hes got decent size, and was 3rd in the WHL in goals this season (tho he was an overage player).
Nicholls scored two goals last night during the opening game of the Memorial Cup against London.
I just finished watching the game, and he was the Blades best offensive player (G Makarov stood on his head), IMO. Nicholls was interviewed just before the start of the third period. He interviewed well, and seems to be the leader of the Blades (though that should probably be expected as he's an overager). After the interview, the announcers commented that the Leafs (who drafted him in 2010) wanted Nicholls to buy into a nutrition and exercise regime, and that he did not buy in. It was for that reason that the Leafs did not sign him. The announcers further said that since the Rangers signed him, he has realized the importance of a regime to a pro athlete.
As you stated, he has decent size (6'2, 196 lbs). On the first goal, Nicholls started the cycle behind the net. And then wrapped around and, on a nice feed across the goal line from Ferland, buried the puck into a basically empty net. On his second goal, Nicholls broke in, created a scoring opportunity, and then out muscled Pitt D prospect Scott Harrington for the rebound and whacked the puck into the back of the net. The announcers said that the Blades as a team bought into a workout regime during their 51 days off between their elimination in the first round of the WHL playoffs and their starting game as the host team of the Memorial Cup and that had they not done so, Nicholls would not have scored the goal. (The second goal is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TURq2ACXgw)
Here's a little more about the game:
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/sport...tough+fall+Memorial+opener/8403843/story.html
I'll leave it to someone else to project whether he'll turn out to be an NHL player or not.
On another note, I thought Shane McColgan was pretty invisible, and then he got hammered on a shoulder-to-shoulder hit by Max Domi behind the net.
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Thanks for the info, I'll take your word for it as you constantly watch these players play. To be compared to ROR is certainly encouraging.
Can't wait to see him in Gold Medal game.
Because he played with talent. If he played on the Rangers you wouldn't think so. Sorry, but this stat is too dependent on the talent around him it seems.
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I don't actually, mostly in WJC's and WCH's. But my friend has worked as a statistics counter for Djurgården, so he has a lot of info regarding DIF players (like Krüger). But Lindberg is grittier and more 'forceful' in his play, while Krüger is basically all smarts; he is neither big nor a good skater, a hockey genius without physical gifts.
So Lindberg is closer to ROR in playing style than to Krüger was all I meant.
He had 8 pts in 12 GP after Crosby went down. He had higher PPG than Malkin, Iginla, Neal, etc. Penguins 2nd best forward this year.
12 games is a pretty small sample and .75 PPG does not a top player in the league make. Still a lot of talent on the team without Crosby. Did he play on the PP? I'm not saying he's not good, I'm saying he's not so good that he's top 5 in a category measuring offense and defense. I'm sure there are plenty of better players that play on worse teams. (Though, that will always be the case with these stats).
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