2011 ISS Top-30 (September 20th)

[Ward Cornell]

What's the logic behind Larsson being outside top 2 and St. Croix outside top 30?

IMHO...players that are a cpl years away from the draft gets watched but not overly close.
Come their draft year the scouts will be paying close attention to them and start to do their true rankings.
Also it's hard to move up when you were No.1 and everyone starts to nit-pick at any faults.

 

[Garl]

IMHO...players that are a cpl years away from the draft gets watched but not overly close.
Come their draft year the scouts will be paying close attention to them and start to do their true rankings.
Also it's hard to move up when you were No.1 and everyone starts to nit-pick at any faults.

What faults? And no, there's no ligical explanation of why Larsson is №3 at this list.


As for others, well Nermark deserved a 1st round consideration, Rask was too high, now probably more realistic(still bit too high though), Klefbom, a bit too high, but he seems legit. Landeskog, well deserved TOP 6.

 

[Ward Cornell]

What faults? And no, there's no logical explanation of why Larsson is №3 at this list.


As for others, well Nermark deserved a 1st round consideration, Rask was too high, now probably more realistic(still bit too high though), Klefbom, a bit too high, but he seems legit. Landeskog, well deserved TOP 6.

No logical info given?...there wasn't illogical information given either.
All what I said in their draft year players get scrutinzed closer and scouts may start to see things that weren't obvious before. (on ice and off ice)

btw....my comments are in general and isn't directed at Larsson but towards all players.
Some will rise...some will fall.
A player has one good tourney or week in front of the right people he moves up.....or the opposite with a few bad games in front of the scouts.

I haven't seen any of the "three" play but they have to be something else if they are better than Landeskog.
Who've I've seen him play every game the past year.

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

I think it is weird that a player like for example Landeskog, who has not played a game since the last ranking, has somehow risen 5 spots.

Actually having a September issue is completely ridiculous altogether for the above reason. Most players have not played a single game, except for Ivan Hlinka, since the last issue.

My 2 cents.

 

[Jabba11]

Has anyone seen Brandon Saad play? Projected to be top 5. Did not produce any point at his first game with the Saginaw Spirit.

 

[Torts]

hat trick on opening night should boost puempel's ranking for the time being ahah, he might have a huge year.

alan quine has 1st round talent as well, not suprised to see him that high

 

[AmericanDream]

A new top-30 from ISS can be found from their website

I made a comparison between this new ranking and the old one that was released during the summer:

# | Name | +/-
1.| Sean Couturier | 0 |
2.| Ryan Nugent-Hopkins | +4 |
3.| Adam Larsson | -1 |
4.| David Musil | 0 |
5.| Victor Rask | -2 |
6.| Gabriel Landeskog | +5 |
7.| Brandon Saad | 0 |
8.| Matthew Puempel | +4 |
9.| Ryan Murphy | -1 |
10.| Douglas Hamilton | NEW |

Nugent-Hopkins, Landeskog and Puempel have improved their position in the ranking. Hamilton is a totally new player to the top-30. Ranking Larsson 3rd is interesting to say the least, I wonder what?s the reasoning behind it?

# | Name | +/-
11.| Duncan Siemens | -1 |
12.| Seth Ambroz | -7 |
13.| Oscar Klefbom | NEW |
14.| Tomas Jurco | 0 |
15.| Adam Clendening | +6 |
16.| Maxim Shalunov | NEW |
17.| Shane McColgan | -2 |
18.| Boone Jenner | -2 |
19.| Joel Armia | -2 |
20.| Vladislav Namestnikov | -11 |

Ambroz and Namestnikov clearly falling in the ranking. Interesting to see Clendening ranked that high, it could mean that two ?smallish? defensemen might go fairly high in the draft, him and Murphy. Maxim Shalunov and Oscar Klefbom are totally new players to the top-30.

# | Name | +/-
21.| Alexandr Khokhlachev | NEW |
22.| Matthew Nieto | -4 |
23.| Daniel Catenacci | 0 |
24.| Joachim Nermark | +5 |
25.| Brett Ritchie | NEW |
26.| Connor Murphy | NEW |
27.| Scott Harrington | NEW |
28.| Alan Quine | NEW |
29.| Patrick Koudys | NEW |
30.| Tyler Biggs | -2 |

A lot of new players here. Nick Shore (13th in the previous ranking), Ty Rattie (19th), Michael St.Croix (20th), Nicklas Jensen (22th), Garret Meurs (24th), Robbie Russo (25th), Anton Zlobin (26th), Nathan Beaulieu (27th), Mika Zibanejad (30th) have dropped out of the top-30.

Some notable omissions from both top-30?s; Jonas Brodin, Dmitrij Jaskin, Lucas Lessio, Jonathan Huberdeau and Austen Brassard.

this is an OHL fanboy service!! In all honesty, the OHL should have another very solid draft. Early lists like these always have CHL kids and Euro players overhyped early on. We always get a more accurrate gauge by mid year when we start seeing the US Highschool kids, USHL, and College kids get rolling. This list really doesnt surprise me at all, but it will certainly have plenty of Euro players falling out of the top 30 like they do pretty much every year. I am not talking smack about Euro players, every year there are a handful that get over hyped and for whatever reason never live up to it. I dont need to name the names because there are a lot, but the reason I point this out is that those positions usually seem to get filled with USNDP, USHLers, and college kids in general...so this list will change big time by mid year. Any North American kid that gets over hyped on here, usually gets replaced by another North American kid..so it pretty much washes out in a sense.

I really cant understand the drop in Ambroz at all. All the kid did was go to the Ivan Hlinka tournament and look awesome...now the main reason in the drop has to be him playing USHL another year instead of being at the University of Minnesota this year...but is that really a reason to penalize him? He has the same skill set whether he played for the Gophers or not...I just dont get that one.

Connor Murphy with a big rise. I felt he would be a big time riser in my USA thread, but going ahead of Russo and Mayfield is pretty crazy as it stands. By years end Murphy might be better then those two, but I think he needs a larger body of work before we put him that high.

Plenty will change in the next few months, but it at least looks like a very solid and interesting draft coming up.

 

[romelson]

Adam Larsson had 25:58 in icetime tonight. By that, he led his team in icetime. He left the ice without any points. He also won the hitcount of the game. Btw, I never saw any official stats of hits in SEL, however the network that broadcasted the game obviously had access to hitcounts. Weird that it obviously is counted, but never published anywhere.

 

[Prussian_Blue]

Guys, ISS places more emphasis on Sweden, the USHL, USA Hockey, and the WHL than it does on the Ontario League. You guys who think that ISS is OHL-centric are talking from a position of zero knowledge or past experience with ISS.

 

[SDig14]

1. Sean Couturier QMJHL
2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins WHL
3. Adam Larsson SEL
4. David Musil WHL
5. Victor Rask SEL
6. Gabriel Landeskog OHL

No OHL players in the top 5, and Landeskog is a Swede. I dont see how RNH snuck into the #2 spot, but I can see Larsson, and Couturier switching back and forth through out the season. I could also see Frank Musil slipping into #3.
If the Oilers get a top 3 pick it might be a tough call

All you need to do is go watch RNH play live and you will understand how he could end up in the #2 spot...for me personally, Larsson is clearly the best prospect right now, but do not be shocked if RNH pushes both him and Couturier for a spot in the top 2 (think Matt Duchene's situation could be a similar outcome for RNH)

If we got the #3 pick I think it would very tough...RNH could be the #1 centre we need if Hall doesn't transition to that position, Musil could be our #1 D prospect for the future, or there could be an emerging player out of the pack by then Like Seguin did last year...only time will tell

 

[Pentothal]

this is an OHL fanboy service!! In all honesty, the OHL should have another very solid draft. Early lists like these always have CHL kids and Euro players overhyped early on. We always get a more accurrate gauge by mid year when we start seeing the US Highschool kids, USHL, and College kids get rolling. This list really doesnt surprise me at all, but it will certainly have plenty of Euro players falling out of the top 30 like they do pretty much every year. I am not talking smack about Euro players, every year there are a handful that get over hyped and for whatever reason never live up to it. I dont need to name the names because there are a lot, but the reason I point this out is that those positions usually seem to get filled with USNDP, USHLers, and college kids in general...so this list will change big time by mid year. Any North American kid that gets over hyped on here, usually gets replaced by another North American kid..so it pretty much washes out in a sense.

I really cant understand the drop in Ambroz at all. All the kid did was go to the Ivan Hlinka tournament and look awesome...now the main reason in the drop has to be him playing USHL another year instead of being at the University of Minnesota this year...but is that really a reason to penalize him? He has the same skill set whether he played for the Gophers or not...I just dont get that one.

Connor Murphy with a big rise. I felt he would be a big time riser in my USA thread, but going ahead of Russo and Mayfield is pretty crazy as it stands. By years end Murphy might be better then those two, but I think he needs a larger body of work before we put him that high.

Plenty will change in the next few months, but it at least looks like a very solid and interesting draft coming up.

Yeah, yeah.. Just like how you always hype American prospects, you always down play Europeans, mr Dreamer. Your bias is quite obvious at this point.

 

[cheerupmurray]

Theres quite a few interesting swedish prospects this year, that got fisrst round potential. It´s hard to tell who will end up as first round picks, there will probaly be a lot of risning and falling on the lists. Rask, Klefbom and Nermark seems like good prospects but could easily be replaced by Zibanejad, Brodin, and Boyce. Adam Larsson and Landeskog seems like pretty sure bets though if they don´t have crappy seasons.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Guys, ISS places more emphasis on Sweden, the USHL, USA Hockey, and the WHL than it does on the Ontario League. You guys who think that ISS is OHL-centric are talking from a position of zero knowledge or past experience with ISS.

Are you kidding me? ISS is not WHL centric at all

 

[Arizonan God]

Good game from Murphy tonight. I could see him sneaking into the top-5 if a team isn't too worried about size. ALOT of skill there. Also Catenacci seems to be showing his worth this year with a good start. Didn't watch him much last year, but I heard he left alot to be desired.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Good game from Murphy tonight. I could see him sneaking into the top-5 if a team isn't too worried about size. ALOT of skill there. Also Catenacci seems to be showing his worth this year with a good start. Didn't watch him much last year, but I heard he left alot to be desired.

Apparently Catenacci's teammate Nick Cousins has impressed as well. The Greyhounds did well grabbing those two young centers with their first two picks last year.

 

[SDig14]

Good game from Murphy tonight. I could see him sneaking into the top-5 if a team isn't too worried about size. ALOT of skill there. Also Catenacci seems to be showing his worth this year with a good start. Didn't watch him much last year, but I heard he left alot to be desired.

I think he will have a similar draft pedigree as Ellis...as much as teams love him, the size will cause him to drop a little...and then if/when he drops out of the top 10, a team will grab him very quickly because of the intangibles

 

[pouskin74*]

this is an OHL fanboy service!! In all honesty, the OHL should have another very solid draft. Early lists like these always have CHL kids and Euro players overhyped early on. We always get a more accurrate gauge by mid year when we start seeing the US Highschool kids, USHL, and College kids get rolling. This list really doesnt surprise me at all, but it will certainly have plenty of Euro players falling out of the top 30 like they do pretty much every year. I am not talking smack about Euro players, every year there are a handful that get over hyped and for whatever reason never live up to it. I dont need to name the names because there are a lot, but the reason I point this out is that those positions usually seem to get filled with USNDP, USHLers, and college kids in general...so this list will change big time by mid year. Any North American kid that gets over hyped on here, usually gets replaced by another North American kid..so it pretty much washes out in a sense.

I really cant understand the drop in Ambroz at all. All the kid did was go to the Ivan Hlinka tournament and look awesome...now the main reason in the drop has to be him playing USHL another year instead of being at the University of Minnesota this year...but is that really a reason to penalize him? He has the same skill set whether he played for the Gophers or not...I just dont get that one.

Connor Murphy with a big rise. I felt he would be a big time riser in my USA thread, but going ahead of Russo and Mayfield is pretty crazy as it stands. By years end Murphy might be better then those two, but I think he needs a larger body of work before we put him that high.

Plenty will change in the next few months, but it at least looks like a very solid and interesting draft coming up.

the place in TOP 30 dosnt mean they make a career in NHL. and obviously there is only EURO overhyped guys and good replacement for them is just behind the corner

 

[GetThePuckOut]

All you need to do is go watch RNH play live and you will understand how he could end up in the #2 spot...for me personally, Larsson is clearly the best prospect right now, but do not be shocked if RNH pushes both him and Couturier for a spot in the top 2 (think Matt Duchene's situation could be a similar outcome for RNH)

If we got the #3 pick I think it would very tough...RNH could be the #1 centre we need if Hall doesn't transition to that position, Musil could be our #1 D prospect for the future, or there could be an emerging player out of the pack by then Like Seguin did last year...only time will tell

I'm pretty sure Edmonton won't be drafting top 3 next year...

Top 12 is still usually a good pick though.

 

[SDig14]

I'm pretty sure Edmonton won't be drafting top 3 next year...

Top 12 is still usually a good pick though.

I was responding to someone else talking about us picking at #3.....

However, it's pretty tough to predict chemistry, injuries, etc....we could end up picking anywhere from #1-15 and I wouldn't be that shocked with any of the results

 

[Raptactics29]

Namestnikov has great speed and works hard on a shift to shift basis so far. He seems to have a nose for the net and is adjusting to the OHL quite well. 3 assists in 2 games so far. Other than a few lapses, taking his eye off the puck and trying to do too much, he's looking great.

Scott Harrington has also looked steady in the defensive zone. Strong on the puck and makes the right plays. He has yet to record a point in 2 games thus far but I expect him to be beside Tinordi and the opportunities will present themselves.

 

[Stanleyjub]

Dont know a better topic for this, so i'm gonna post this here.

Update on Joel Armia:

5 games 2+2=4

his first goal in men's level here: http://www.nelonen.fi/ohjelmat/sm-liiga/maalikoosteet-illan-erikoiset-haastattelut?vt=video&vid=102858 armia's spectacular goal around 3:02

 

[The Saw Is the Law]

Joel Armia:

5 games 2+2=4

He is looking terrific! Sniper, right, 6'4 tall... Teams interested?