Jaroslav Janus was already drafted last year by Tampa Bay 6th round 162nd overall.
Jaroslav Janus was already drafted last year by Tampa Bay 6th round 162nd overall.
Any thoughts on the quality of Europeans in this year's draft?
I think it is a weaker crop of Euros this year.
Expect more NCAA North American kids to get drafted. These guys have 4 years of quality development ahead of them.
I think it is a weaker crop of Euros this year.
Expect more NCAA North American kids to get drafted. These guys have 4 years of quality development ahead of them.
AmericanDream
Thank you Elon!
the Russian factor will play havoc on many gm's this summer. this is an excellent class of Russian players, that in all honesty, could be one of the better top heavy drafts for them in a while. I doubt that more then 4 will go first round, but the ones that are currently playing in North America will get some high consideration.
This is a very weak draft for Sweden and Finland. Especially for Sweden when you look at how well they did last year. El Nino will be a high Swiss pick to keep an eye on as well.
As for college players, you really won't see that many taken too high, as there are less and less actual freshman eligible each year. What you will see is a very big US highschool class and USHL class taken this year (USHL now includes the USNDP).
this draft continues to look very strong, and I think it will have better overall depth then last years class.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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If I was going to go "out of the box" on a hunch, I would say that Corbeil may very well be within the first 5 goalies picked. Huge, fast, smooth, improved, solid fundamentals, and from Montreal. All the things that lead to a goalie climbing the charts.
Hello Johnny
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What do you guys think of Riley Sheahan and Nick Bjugstad? I've seen Sheahan about a half dozen times and have been pretty impressed with his playmaking abilities, but I know nothing of Bjugstad.
And I like Mark Pysyk more every time I see him play. He has some of the best puck poise in the draft IMO.
And I like Mark Pysyk more every time I see him play. He has some of the best puck poise in the draft IMO.
Jussi
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E.g. Granlund, Pulkkinen and Donskoi are all likely to get drafted a lot higher than Toni Rajala last year, with Granlund and Pulkkinen the first round favourites.
AmericanDream
Thank you Elon!
E.g. Granlund, Pulkkinen and Donskoi are all likely to get drafted a lot higher than Toni Rajala last year, with Granlund and Pulkkinen the first round favourites.
wow, you have three players that might get picked in the top 3 rounds, and you are saying this is a strong draft for you guys?
Pulkkinen is not a first round pick, get over it already. He will be lucky to land in the second round...
If you want to look at what a strong draft will be, look at what the US and Canada will do in the top 2 rounds, and even Russia...all three countries will have strong showings, but Finland is not one of them. complete blinders on.
and if you think I said this years draft for Finland will be weaker then last years...you need to re-read what I put, as I stated that for Sweden. This year will suck a little less then last years draft for the almighty Finns.
As far as the top 3 rounds go, it should be a fairly decent draft for Finland. Arguably the second best since 2002. We do suck compared to Canada and Russia, but that's nothing new. If you want to see what a very weak year looks like for Finland, check out our 1985 born age group.
Landeskog
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I've been looking over the last 6 drafts for my sports management program as i one writing my final next about the NHL draft and development and the plans of action teams could take.
I thoughts are this draft is deep when it drops off it alittle harder than past drafts. so i few questions i have are:
1. does anyone think the talent pool is more full then past drafts or is the talent getting weaker and it looks like we are getting over flowed with talent?
2. is drafting a CHL player always the best way to go? or is taking the NCAA player a smarter plan?
3. With Russians dropping in the draft how long until we see teams not risking the pick on a russian player?
4. if teams stop picking russians due to lack of agreement, could teams grow their european department to dig deep into the european hockey world?
5. if a pan-eu league happens what effect will that have on the nhl and drafting? and will teams still risk picks on these euros or will see where the draft is mostly CHL and NCAA players drafted with the odd euros being drafted like back in the 70s,80s and early 90s?
I'm huigh on taking your time to develop the talent drafted or signed and allow them to work into the big club roster, so the questions are:
6. do you think some teams have lost the skills or know how on how to develop talent anymore?
7. do teams rush players to fast to early?
8. are players written off to fast or to easy because they are not developing the rate the team wants them to or that they would?
9. are top 5 ro top 10 picks now looked at as being quick fixes or pushed in the nhl to early?
10. if you could GM a team, and your sitting in your war room before the draft or at the draft table:
A) what is your drafting plan?
B) you only select players from selected leagues?
C) do you try and fill roster needs? if so is it the whole draft or only selected picks? D) do you always take the best skater or goalie or do you stick your plan and hope it works out?
feel free to answer the questions
in case your wondering my plan would be
1st round - best player
2nd round best player
3rd round - NCAA player
4th round - goalie or best player that will help fill a role in the future(most likely European or NCAA)
5th round - defenceman
6th - best european on the board
7th - best player on the board, that fills a role and will have time to develop(NCAA/Euro)
i figure 3rd round and 4th round can be flipped as can all the rounds besides the 1st and 2nd, depending on the draft that year and the amount of picks and needs.
i'd most likely learn toward NCAA players or European players as they will have longer to develop. that's not to say i would not draft CHL players. CHL would be drafted play full CHl career then make the move to AHL/NHL depending on the development needed for that players.. of course you draft the 2nd coming of Crosby that's a different monster.
i would build my team around the draft and development.
as for this draft i'm liking the defencemen for the most part as well as the forwards. I also like Chvanov and Jarnkrok, as well as Conz
I thoughts are this draft is deep when it drops off it alittle harder than past drafts. so i few questions i have are:
1. does anyone think the talent pool is more full then past drafts or is the talent getting weaker and it looks like we are getting over flowed with talent?
2. is drafting a CHL player always the best way to go? or is taking the NCAA player a smarter plan?
3. With Russians dropping in the draft how long until we see teams not risking the pick on a russian player?
4. if teams stop picking russians due to lack of agreement, could teams grow their european department to dig deep into the european hockey world?
5. if a pan-eu league happens what effect will that have on the nhl and drafting? and will teams still risk picks on these euros or will see where the draft is mostly CHL and NCAA players drafted with the odd euros being drafted like back in the 70s,80s and early 90s?
I'm huigh on taking your time to develop the talent drafted or signed and allow them to work into the big club roster, so the questions are:
6. do you think some teams have lost the skills or know how on how to develop talent anymore?
7. do teams rush players to fast to early?
8. are players written off to fast or to easy because they are not developing the rate the team wants them to or that they would?
9. are top 5 ro top 10 picks now looked at as being quick fixes or pushed in the nhl to early?
10. if you could GM a team, and your sitting in your war room before the draft or at the draft table:
A) what is your drafting plan?
B) you only select players from selected leagues?
C) do you try and fill roster needs? if so is it the whole draft or only selected picks? D) do you always take the best skater or goalie or do you stick your plan and hope it works out?
feel free to answer the questions
in case your wondering my plan would be
1st round - best player
2nd round best player
3rd round - NCAA player
4th round - goalie or best player that will help fill a role in the future(most likely European or NCAA)
5th round - defenceman
6th - best european on the board
7th - best player on the board, that fills a role and will have time to develop(NCAA/Euro)
i figure 3rd round and 4th round can be flipped as can all the rounds besides the 1st and 2nd, depending on the draft that year and the amount of picks and needs.
i'd most likely learn toward NCAA players or European players as they will have longer to develop. that's not to say i would not draft CHL players. CHL would be drafted play full CHl career then make the move to AHL/NHL depending on the development needed for that players.. of course you draft the 2nd coming of Crosby that's a different monster.
i would build my team around the draft and development.
as for this draft i'm liking the defencemen for the most part as well as the forwards. I also like Chvanov and Jarnkrok, as well as Conz
E.g. Granlund, Pulkkinen and Donskoi are all likely to get drafted a lot higher than Toni Rajala last year, with Granlund and Pulkkinen the first round favourites.
A good sample of Donskoi's strengths in the following link. 8 minutes icetime in the game, - then head coach puts him to shoot second. And what a goal! One of the Donskoi's strengths are his quick, smooth hands.
Here's goals for that game. Donskoi's shoots at 1.30. Lukas Kaspar shoots for Karpat after Donskoi.
--->Karpat-Kalpa (finnish SM-liiga 20.2.2010) 3-2 OT<--- just press PLAY-button
Intereseting article by Kyle Woodlief in usatoday.com that his scouts at redline are tagging this a a weak crop for d-men ...He is even not as enthused about Fowler lately...I guess that means forwards and goalies should dominate the early rounds...
I personally started the year following the goalie class under the microscope...We have seen significant fall-off in the Q goalies desrving to be inthe top ten goalie ranking(Clermont and Domingue and even the -I think-shoert-lived craze forr Corbeil-Theriault --they frankly have not sparkled in save % given the early hype for them) ....In the DUB --Calvin Pikard -stellar in the early part of the year has seen his save % plummet down to just .913 and may be overtaken by Kent Simpson in ranking...In the OHL,shockingly while Philipp Grubauer saw his GAA improve greatly going from Belleville to Windsor his save % is actually a few points lower there!
There are some goalies who have maintained great save %'s season-long with little falter ---CAB MORRIS (.918) Indiana Ice USHL and JOEL VIENNEAU (.928 in the regular season and .937 so far in the playoffs(Kingston OJAHL) and JOEL RUMPEL (.920 regular season)(the back-up to SEAN BONAR at Penticton in the BCHL) are amomg those who like Kent Simpson (.924) have not faltered ...(RUMPEL s a bit under the radar -but it looks like U. Wisconsin willbe getting a good one as he goes there next seaaon)...MORRIS VIENNEAU and RUMPEL are all bIG 6'3 goalies and SIMPSON is 6'2... these guys SHOULD be attractive to teams seeking to add goalies to the pipeline...
I personally started the year following the goalie class under the microscope...We have seen significant fall-off in the Q goalies desrving to be inthe top ten goalie ranking(Clermont and Domingue and even the -I think-shoert-lived craze forr Corbeil-Theriault --they frankly have not sparkled in save % given the early hype for them) ....In the DUB --Calvin Pikard -stellar in the early part of the year has seen his save % plummet down to just .913 and may be overtaken by Kent Simpson in ranking...In the OHL,shockingly while Philipp Grubauer saw his GAA improve greatly going from Belleville to Windsor his save % is actually a few points lower there!
There are some goalies who have maintained great save %'s season-long with little falter ---CAB MORRIS (.918) Indiana Ice USHL and JOEL VIENNEAU (.928 in the regular season and .937 so far in the playoffs(Kingston OJAHL) and JOEL RUMPEL (.920 regular season)(the back-up to SEAN BONAR at Penticton in the BCHL) are amomg those who like Kent Simpson (.924) have not faltered ...(RUMPEL s a bit under the radar -but it looks like U. Wisconsin willbe getting a good one as he goes there next seaaon)...MORRIS VIENNEAU and RUMPEL are all bIG 6'3 goalies and SIMPSON is 6'2... these guys SHOULD be attractive to teams seeking to add goalies to the pipeline...
Teemu Pulkkinen
Main strenght - Has probably best one timer in whole draft class.
Main weakness1 - Too offensive minded, clueless at own end.
Main weakness2 - Injury prone?
Best case scenario. You get Selänne type PP specialist forward with weaker skating.
What you can expect to get: Mini Kovalchuck
What you probably get: Whining parents that destroy his career no matter what he does
What you get if something fails: Jani Rita at his best = NHL wise nothing
Worst case scenario: There really isn´t one. He either makes it to stardom or quits at age of 23.
Just my 2 pennies
Not worth 1st round pick. I´d say he goes around 55th. Huge risk/reward.
Main strenght - Has probably best one timer in whole draft class.
Main weakness1 - Too offensive minded, clueless at own end.
Main weakness2 - Injury prone?
Best case scenario. You get Selänne type PP specialist forward with weaker skating.
What you can expect to get: Mini Kovalchuck
What you probably get: Whining parents that destroy his career no matter what he does
What you get if something fails: Jani Rita at his best = NHL wise nothing
Worst case scenario: There really isn´t one. He either makes it to stardom or quits at age of 23.
Just my 2 pennies
Not worth 1st round pick. I´d say he goes around 55th. Huge risk/reward.
LyNX27
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Not sure how that is considering every ES Line in hockey needs a Left Winger...
Jussi
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I just found this on THN's site: http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/32071-Mark-Seidels-Blog-The-latest-NACS-prospect-rankings.html
Noticed this guy also had Granlund at 8 and Pulkkinen at 19.
ZDH
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Yeah I think Campbell at #5 is a little much, not the worst I have seen. I have seen him at the #4 spot. I think he going to be the first goalie drafted but not until the 20's.
Evgeny Oliker
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...
Not much discussion here on actual strengths and weaknesses!
I'd like to hear about the following players:
Mcfarland
Bennett
Kuznetsov
Skinner
Toffoli
Etem
Bjugstad
Jarnkrok
Galiev
Kabanov
Kytsin
If you have seen any of these guys play, that would be awesome to hear about! Player comparisons are welcome!
Thanks!
Not much discussion here on actual strengths and weaknesses!
I'd like to hear about the following players:
Mcfarland
Bennett
Kuznetsov
Skinner
Toffoli
Etem
Bjugstad
Jarnkrok
Galiev
Kabanov
Kytsin
If you have seen any of these guys play, that would be awesome to hear about! Player comparisons are welcome!
Thanks!
Not much discussion here on actual strengths and weaknesses!
I'd like to hear about the following players:
Mcfarland
Bennett
Kuznetsov
Skinner
Toffoli
Etem
Bjugstad
Jarnkrok
Galiev
Kabanov
Kytsin
If you have seen any of these guys play, that would be awesome to hear about! Player comparisons are welcome!
Thanks!
Kitsyn, strengths: he can be an offensive wizard when he wants to be, is very good at toe dragging, good skating ability. weaknesses:Can go for much of the game without being noticed, could use his size better, but that should come as he keeps growing and getting stronger.
Evgeny Oliker
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I'll do Taylor Hall just to keep this going:
Strengths: Has a few gears, powerful on his skates, good stick-handler, accurate shot, underrated passer, not afraid to go to the net and can be physical at times.
Weaknesses: Hard to find any really. I believe he can still elevate his game to another level, so that would be nice to see.
Player Comparison: Mark Messier
I'll do Taylor Hall just to keep this going:
Strengths: Has a few gears, powerful on his skates, good stick-handler, accurate shot, underrated passer, not afraid to go to the net and can be physical at times.
Weaknesses: Hard to find any really. I believe he can still elevate his game to another level, so that would be nice to see.
Player Comparison: Mark Messier
who is the meanest, hardest hitting, toughest defenseman available in this years draft (besides Dylan McIlrath) and where do you see him being picked?
WickedWrister
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I'm loving how everyone has Kabanov in their top 5, (some 1st overall), not even 1 year ago. For fans of teams drafting 15-30, this is their dream pick. I can't wait till he proves the doubters wrong!
Jamie
Registered User
Jarred Tinordi may be even meaner, harder hitting and tougher than McIlrath. I'd imagine he'll be a late first rounder.
Patrick Nemeth from Sweden and Martin Marincin from Slovakia are a couple others that may fit that bill. Marincin probably a mid 2nd and Nemeth an early 3rd.
Evgeny Oliker
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This thread was A LOT more fun last year!
But let's try to pick it up a bit here. I'll do one.
Galiev
Strengths: Good skater, good vision, a smart player and unlike other Russians, he is in N.America! A rather safe pick.
Weaknesses: Lacks a true scoring touch. Can get more involved in the play physically. How high is his potential really?
Comparison: Valeri Bure
I'd like to hear from anyone who has seen any of the following in person:
Weal
Nelson
Coyle
Bennett
Jarnkrok
Rensfeldt
Kitsyn
Telegin
Zucker
Hayes
Ross
Hishon
Larsson
Dalton Smith
Sundher
Yogan
This thread was A LOT more fun last year!
But let's try to pick it up a bit here. I'll do one.
Galiev
Strengths: Good skater, good vision, a smart player and unlike other Russians, he is in N.America! A rather safe pick.
Weaknesses: Lacks a true scoring touch. Can get more involved in the play physically. How high is his potential really?
Comparison: Valeri Bure
I'd like to hear from anyone who has seen any of the following in person:
Weal
Nelson
Coyle
Bennett
Jarnkrok
Rensfeldt
Kitsyn
Telegin
Zucker
Hayes
Ross
Hishon
Larsson
Dalton Smith
Sundher
Yogan
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