2010-2011 Crosby + 2011-2012 Malkin vs Current McDavid and Draisaitl for the current Art Ross

[illpucks]

The Penguins find a time machine and teleport the 2010-2011 Crosby before the Steckel hit and the 2011-2012 Art Ross Malkin and they play on the 2020-21 Penguins.

They have to compete with McDrai of today. Who wins the Art Ross?

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[Nathaniel Skywalker]

23 year old crosby with malkin in second

 

[McFlash97]

McDavid and Draisaitl win it.

 

[SouthWest]

10-11 Crosby and I don't think twice

 

[Regal]

Close between Crosby and Malkin. Malkin's second half in '12 was actually similar to Crosby's '10 in production. McDavid and Draisaitl have scored at similar levels in higher scoring environments.

 

[bobholly39]

Crosby. But it would be a good race all around

 

[CatchyTune]

Sidney

 

[CatchyTune]

McDavid and Draisaitl win it.

Mcdavid and Draisaitl win it? gonna have to get a 2nd trophy

 

[TheGuiminator]

1. Crosby
2. McDavid
3. Malkin
4. Draisaitl

 

[Captain Controversy]

McDavid. There is a reason why he is regarded as the best on the planet.
McDavid
Crosby
Malkin/Draisaitl

If we are talking goals. Crosby.
Total points. Mcjesus.

 

[jetsforever]

McDavid. There is a reason why he is regarded as the best on the planet.
McDavid
Crosby
Malkin/Draisaitl

If we are talking goals. Crosby.
Total points. Mcjesus.

But was he the "best on the planet" in 2011? Because if I recall correctly, there was a reason why Crosby was the "best on the planet" then.

 

[CatchyTune]

McDavid. There is a reason why he is regarded as the best on the planet.
McDavid
Crosby
Malkin/Draisaitl

If we are talking goals. Crosby.
Total points. Mcjesus.

And Crosby wasnt at that time?

 

[Captain Controversy]

And Crosby wasnt at that time?

He was but prime McDavid wasn't.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

McDavid. There is a reason why he is regarded as the best on the planet.
McDavid
Crosby
Malkin/Draisaitl

If we are talking goals. Crosby.
Total points. Mcjesus.

The OP isn't asking about comparing them now. Crosby was considered "the best on the planet" at his peak, too.

I think this is Crosby. Obviously that's going on the assumption that he'd be able to continue playing at that 41 game level, but *if* he could then that season he was on pace to produce better than any full season that Draisaitl or McDavid has produced at. And in a lower scoring environment, to boot.

 

[Captain Controversy]

But was he the "best on the planet" in 2011? Because if I recall correctly, there was a reason why Crosby was the "best on the planet" then.

One could argue with Ovechkin.

 

[Captain Controversy]

The OP isn't asking about comparing them now. Crosby was considered "the best on the planet" at his peak, too.

I think this is Crosby. Obviously that's going on the assumption that he'd be able to continue playing at that 41 game level, but *if* he could then that season he was on pace to produce better than any full season that Draisaitl or McDavid has produced at. And in a lower scoring environment, to boot.

Slower defensemen.
McDavid would feast. Think Malkin with more offense.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

1a. Crosby
1b. Malkin
3. McDavid
4. Draisaitl

Really tough between 87 and 71. I don't see an argument for either of the Oilers, they are much more reliant on each other.

Crosby had the highest overall level of play, but what Malkin did without 87 was pretty outrageous.

 

[CatchyTune]

He was but prime McDavid wasn't.

i dont know what youre trying to say

im just saying Mcdavid is the best now but Crosby was the best in that time period

 

[Captain Controversy]

i dont know what youre trying to say

im just saying Mcdavid is the best now but Crosby was the best in that time period

Agreed.
I am saying that if prime McDavid was in that time, he would be the best offensively.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Slower defensemen.
McDavid would feast. Think Malkin with more offense.

Bigger goalie pads. No 3on3 OT. Lower scoring era.

I think people forget just how utterly dominant Crosby was playing at the time when Steckel brained him.

 

[CatchyTune]

Agreed.
I am saying that if prime McDavid was in that time, he would be the best offensively.

prime Mcdavid like the Mcdavid we havent seen yet? Or Mcdavid now?

because i think young Crosby is better than Mcdavid now

 

[Zeeker]

Mcdavid and Draisaitl win it? gonna have to get a 2nd trophy

The title is confusingly worded. Almost like it’s one group against the other

 

[nowhereman]

Crosby for sure.

Peak/prime Crosby was the best player I've seen who wasn't named Gretzky or Lemieux. It was like watching a player who was too good for the NHL. It's a shame we were robbed of his best by injuries.

 

[CatchyTune]

The title is confusingly worded. Almost like it’s one group against the other

oh yeah i see what it means. but we are voting on who takes home the trophy.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I think we will find out this year.

2010 Crosby was putting up 1.6 PPG over the span of 40 games.
McDavid is currently doing 2 PPG but it's highly probable that it falls over the next 30 games. Personally I think he is better offensively at his best than Crosby was, but thats more personal judgement than anything. I think if McDavid can maintain over 1.7 PPG by game 40 we collectively as fans can say his peak is higher.

Draisaitl is in a similar boat to McDavid. Out of McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Draisaitl, its actually Draisaitl who has had the highest PPG over a *full season, 110 points in 71 games for a 1.54 PPG. Obviously the eras are different, but its still an astounding feat, especially when you consider his higher ratio of goal to assists (since 2018-19) compared to the other 3. Right now you have to give the nod to McDavid/Crosby but if Draisaitl wins a 2nd Art Ross in a row you have to begin to reconsider who is the top offensive threat when they are in their prime.