In all likelihood the two Americans teams at the OHL Cup will be Detroit Little Caesars (been listed on the OHL Cup rankings nearly every week) and TPH Hockey (has been at every OHL Cup since 2007).
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Love these..... let's see
Not in order
Wycisk (SCP)
Delisle (TT)
McGregor (OVT)
Roy (OVT)
Edgar (YSE)
Chitaroni (Barrie)
Raynor (Niagara)
Veitch (YSE) GMJHL DRAFT
Lappalainen (SCP)
Hayes (Windsor)
Eagar (SCP)
Lammens (TRW)
Freeman (TT)
Cabral (DM)
A lot of names here that I would mention. I'd definitely add Keaton Ardagh to this list.
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Has anyone gotten any looks at Adam Pszeniczny (Soo)? I think he lead the NOHL U15 last year for goals, and is the top 2009 scorer this year in the GNML. It can be hard to compare apples-to-apples as they play in a U18 league though.
hes rated a mid round pick by our central scouting which i think is fair. hes played in alliance showcase which i was in person to see, he works hard but isn't nearly as productive against even average alliance teams.
Keep in mind the showcases had 2 watered down unpracticed NOHA teams, the final NOHA team is much stronger and will get coaching and practice prior, therefore will undoubtedly be a better showing by the group and many individuals at OHL Cup.
we don’t watch teams we watch individuals. central scouting watched all year.
I’ve been doing it for 30 years, Id say he’s a mid round d pick. Central scouting seems to agree.
If you don’t, then cool that’s why we all have e opinions
Not sure who William Ryan is and I wouldn't consider Del Priore a natural goal scorer, he can score goals but it won't come easy for him at the next level. He's has 0 goals in his last 5 games at U16 AAA. He's a good player and has natural skill but he's more of a skilled play maker in my eyes.
I'd agree, he's got size, decent skater and decent skill, I think he's got potential but right now, he's a project player. I could see him going in the 80-160 range.
Sure, I didn't say you were right or wrong, and in fact it is likely that is where he will go based on where he has played and situations seen etc. At least he is on the radar. My following comments are towards others less on the radar. Towards watching individuals only entirely, can only be done to some degree, as it is a team game and it does matter who a player (especially a collaborative player versus a solo artist) plays with and in what situations, leagues and what resources and priorities of a team are. As well, there have become a increasing & prevalent level of OHL "busts" that turn out to be wasted low to mid level picks based on they played their U16 points on loaded / $ backed teams whether it be from Ontario, Michigan, or Shattuck, many of these kids get to these good / stacked teams because were good young, or ok with $/connections, but now plateauing or declining. It definitely is more difficult to look outside the high points & top teams, find players not near their ceiling, maybe didn't play top tier all the way with ex player dads coaching putting in premium situations, lines, PP, the whole way, learned the game themselves, built their work ethic without military style forced direction into hockey life, they earned their way to where they are entirely, true students of the game. Though these are harder to learn about and getting a real understanding of their potential as they are not as much on the radar and don't get the eyes on them that they should, yet truly have more potential than many that are. No easy feat for a scout, but worth looking a little deeper for some real gems.
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i think you are looking at things from a father who has a son who is not a high point producer or mentioned alot, which is fine. its also a bit insulting to suggest that the 200 or so scouts across ontario dont have the ability to find players regardless of where they play or who they play with. im not sure there is a long list of player who where pass on in the last 4/5 years who became strong ohl players. there certanily are a handful, but its not like there are a significant amount of misses.
just looking at the league there are roughly 25 or so guys drafted in the 10th round and after, and of them, they all where point producers for the most part. you dont score less in the u16 then you do at the ohl, you have your outliers from time to time but as a rule, 99 percent of the time you produce less at the ohl vs u16. so if your a forward who has 10 points in 30 games and is 'smart team player', sorry, odds are you are just another guy. good in the context that your better then the 100,000 or so kids that play hockey in your age group, but very, very good proof based on past data that your not going to be an ohl player and thus, probably not a draft pick.
if we missed a fair amount, the amount of guys drafted after the 9th round would be much higher, and the free agents in the league would be much higher as well. the league has quite a few free agents this year, but they are almost entirely out of provence guys or usa guys with commitments to schools. i think there are 2 ontario free agents in the league, Misaljevic is outstanding and the unicorn, but the other guy is just a guy and probably not really an ohler.
either way you dont have to care what i say or just dismiss it, doesnt matter really, im just showing some facts that alot of the narrative driven arguments that parents use 'ie hes a great team player, plays within a team system', can be used for 100s of kids in aaa and while great for him, doesn't make him a prospect for an ohl team per say, without projectable skills, be it puck skills, a 6'4 compete guy, then we can find those guys in jr b whenever we need them, they are very low ceiling and not really worth taking a roll of the dice on.
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That also shows in the U-18 draft. It is not like teams roll out U-18 guys a lot either. That draft is specifically related to players “missed” in the Priority Selection.
There is some variability in growth patterns for 15 and 16 year olds. Scouts cannot always see it. That is where you may see a few players fall through the cracks. There are too many small skill guys out there now compared to 25 years ago. They dominate the late rounds. When you have a kid like Jay-Zeus Mbarushimana picked in the 13th round with 25-30-55 over 30 games, you start to understand where the game is going and how difficult it is for points to translate. He’s killing it again this year in U-18 but struggles at the CCHL (JrA) level. If he grows a bit, he may be able to take the next step but at sub-150 pounds walking weight, he will struggle. But, again, that is a 13th round pick. He is surrounded by other small players that a skillzy and big players that aren’t.
A kid like Spencer Bowes shot up 4 inches and 20 pounds since April. He’s a 15th round pick that may actually play next year. Over a Point per game at the JrA Level. But, he was an older ‘07 ineligible for the U-18 draft as he played Jr B as a 16 year old, not U-18.
So, yes, guys slip through but not many. Claude Giroux slipped through and wound up in the QMJHL (Gatineau) and will be a HHOF player. It happens. But not very often.
and thats kind of my point. everyone will point to anthony cirelli, but anthony cirelli was 10/11 years ago. things are diffent now. do we miss, sure, but we dont miss like that anymore. we may miss a guy that can be a 14th f or a half decent depth guy, but even those players are generally point guys who grow. Misaljevic is the one guy who i don't think has grown alot but has become a way higher point guy then he was in u16. those guys are legit unicorns and you cannot figure out who they are. good for him thou.
so when see a guy who is 5'10 and doesn't produce a ton in an average league, he doesnt really climb up the draft lists for us because we can find that guy all day long in jr b. and now with the usa more open, youll probably see 20/30 or even 40 more american kids drafted, so those average skilled average ontario kids go lower and lower and dont go at all.
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Interested in the scouts perspective on the current state of U16AAA in the north. North Bay, Sudbury, Soo all playing in the U18AAA GNML league. I constantly hear from parents that they feel they need to send their kids to the south to get exposure.
Do you feel like you get enough views of these players where they are, or do you agree with these parents?
Do you feel like you get enough views of these players where they are, or do you agree with these parents?
way more then before, its the only league that you need to use video for. id say to parents that make sure that you budget for 3/4 u16 tournaments. doesn't have to be the top ones, just go to peterborough, waterloo, ones like that. you'll get seen 20 times by staff. and honestly, if after that your not drafted, its not a lack of exposure its just that the player isn't good enough yet.
if they want to come down and play in a different location have at it, especially if the u16 team is unwilling to enroll in those tournaments, but im not sure its needed personally.
I agree with OHL4Life on this one. This is a terrible take.
Regardless of what situation / team a player is on, scouts watch individual players and predict their potential based on what they see on the ice / personality off the ice. Sure some kids will get powerplay time and some won't, but skill always rises to the top. Just because a kid plays on a shit northern team vs the Marlies, doesn't mean the Marlies kid will be taken higher. The better hockey player will get drafted higher 99% of the time.
Good hockey players will be scouted/seen regardless of situation. Although I will say not all scouts are created equal, some OHL scouts are actually stupid based on some conversations I've had, but most of them are pretty experienced and have a good eye.
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And the other caveat to that is what a specific team values. You may see a bigger kid picked a little out of position because that organization values size that may be more of a project than a small skilled kid when you get to around the 7th round. So, there are situations where sometimes there are head scratchers but OVERALL, I agree.
As an Icedogs fan, I am apprehensive about players reporting. Are there any rumours out there regarding players that will not report to specific teams?
its always a parent coop out for why a kid isnt drafted. he was too far away and didnt play for a great team. blah blah blah.
ok, so if we missed players like that, why are they not in the league a few years later or getting full ride d1 commits?
