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Jordan Malette

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So Jordan, as mentioned about I did end up buying your product last year, question for you.

Do you ever go back and look at your list and see what differences with what happened on draft day and judge it against what your list looked like? Are there items that you didn't value that you do now, or do you just focus on what you like and build that list to be like that. I see some of the higher rated guys not doing great outside of the OHL, where as guys like Fitzgerald who where not as high are doing great in the OHL.

I don't ask to be a jerk or instigate, just genuinely curious and as you've invited a discussion, Id be interested in having one. Ironically my son was drafted and you had him much higher on your list then where he went, so I certainly am not motivated by anything other then an interesting conversation.
First and foremost, I appreciate anyone who spends their money to read what I put out, so thanks for your support.

There's a lot I could say here, but I'll try to keep it as brief as possible. I generally have a decent grasp of who is going to go where, whether I am higher or lower on a player. Especially on day one of the draft, there weren't really many surprises that caught me off guard (only one big one that I recall), so immediate comparison isn't really that worthwhile as it's something I have (sort of) already done to ensure I feel good about my list. Basically, if a player is going to go 12th and I have them 30th or vice versa, I try to be as sure as possible of what that discrepancy is signaling. As rounds go on, things definitely deviate more, as decisions in the mid-to-late rounds become way more subjective as the talent level tapers off and there are lots of different factors at play.

As for who's doing well, it's great to see players off to hot starts, but my list is all about how I think they will be 2-3 years from now. Maybe I end up being right, or maybe I end up being wrong to have guys higher or lower, but it'll just take time to see how things go. I did spend a lot of time last month reviewing the 07s (the first year I started) to see who has developed better or worse than I expected and what I can learn from that. While it's still early, enough time has passed to see if things are progressing as I had hoped or if someone is outperforming my expectations, and just trying to improve myself by revisiting players, but it's still a wait and see for the 08s for sure.

I could talk your ears off on the differences between my list and what happens on draft day, but the thing I say a lot when people ask is we don't have the benefit of knowing what teams' lists looked like. That player Team X took 12th? They may have had them ranked 4th. The player Team Y took 30th? It's possible all the other 19 teams had them way later. The player Team Z took 200th, maybe they had them 80th and knew they could snag them later as they were undervalued for whatever reason. Obviously, these are potentially extreme examples, but it is illustrative of how comparing a public list's rankings to the draft results can have its flaws as we don't know the full picture.

Final thing as it likely pertains to your son's case - I'll just say I spend a lot of time challenging my own process as I know how my work can be interpreted and potentially give false expectations. Should I really be going 100% on ranking players I'd draft, even if I know they may go later? Should I rank kids that I would never personally select that I know teams will take? There's no right answer here, and finding the right balance as a public-facing service can be tricky and something that's always on my mind. (Turns out I was not brief at all)
 
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DraftGuyyy

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I subscribe to a few of those independant agencies myself and I find that that they all take different approaches. Some will try to rank players where they think they will go in the draft, others will try to rank according to what they believe those players potentials to be. I like both approaches, but some do it better than others. I'll be honest, not a huge fan of Neutral Zone, just a personal preference from some stuff I've seen in the past, the older guy that covers the OHL draft seems off, but I still believe they do really good work with their US content.
To be honest, I found Neutral Zone content to be more in line with what OHL teams seemingly are looking for, while not trying to rank according to where players were being taken. Puck Preps was more as I said before, lets just load up a list of small skilled guys (who my son is) and rank them, almost as if bigger guys had a bias against them. I'm not sure that the hockey world is looking for that right now, so Its surprising that they do it that way, but to your point, its not wrong, just different.

Final thing as it likely pertains to your son's case - I'll just say I spend a lot of time challenging my own process as I know how my work can be interpreted and potentially give false expectations. Should I really be going 100% on ranking players I'd draft, even if I know they may go later? Should I rank kids that I would never personally select that I know teams will take? There's no right answer here, and finding the right balance as a public-facing service can be tricky and something that's always on my mind. (Turns out I was not brief at all)
Your job isn't to manage player expectations, that's my job. So just rank and value as you see fit, not because you are worried about a players feelings.
 
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DraftGuyyy

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I could talk your ears off on the differences between my list and what happens on draft day, but the thing I say a lot when people ask is we don't have the benefit of knowing what teams' lists looked like. That player Team X took 12th? They may have had them ranked 4th. The player Team Y took 30th? It's possible all the other 19 teams had them way later. The player Team Z took 200th, maybe they had them 80th and knew they could snag them later as they were undervalued for whatever reason. Obviously, these are potentially extreme examples, but it is illustrative of how comparing a public list's rankings to the draft results can have its flaws as we don't know the full picture.
I'm a mechanical engineer by trade, my entire life is managing process, finding better ways to do things, looking for errors and fixing it. What I would say is that if any list, yours or another agencies, has a player in the top 50 or 60, and that player isn't taken until lets say the 12th round and isn't going to the NCAA or making noise about it, then something happened there. I would think that the variance gets wider as the draft moves on, but if there is that much of a gap then something with the evaluation process is failing with that specific player.

Not a big deal and something to learn from, at least that's what I would do.
 

DraftGuyyy

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As for who's doing well, it's great to see players off to hot starts, but my list is all about how I think they will be 2-3 years from now. Maybe I end up being right, or maybe I end up being wrong to have guys higher or lower, but it'll just take time to see how things go. I did spend a lot of time last month reviewing the 07s (the first year I started) to see who has developed better or worse than I expected and what I can learn from that. While it's still early, enough time has passed to see if things are progressing as I had hoped or if someone is outperforming my expectations, and just trying to improve myself by revisiting players, but it's still a wait and see for the 08s for sure.

One of my favorite prospect guys is Corey Pronman at the Athletic. I find that he is excellent at mixing the analytical approach with more eye test and finding and listing players that NHL teams want, which I think is what his customers want.

Every year he posts a 'what I got wrong' post about a draft year and mentions what about the player changed, what he missed, how he learned, etc. I would suggest that being open and following that lead would be very good content, while also showing a bit of acknowledgement on kids that are outperforming your expectations. I see you post your 'wins' on twitter all the time, I would suggest that posting your 'losses' may add more value and make those wins more valuable, and show a bit of a humble side as well.

Just food for thought, appreciate the back and forth.
 
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Jordan Malette

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One of my favorite prospect guys is Corey Pronman at the Athletic. I find that he is excellent at mixing the analytical approach with more eye test and finding and listing players that NHL teams want, which I think is what his customers want.

Every year he posts a 'what I got wrong' post about a draft year and mentions what about the player changed, what he missed, how he learned, etc. I would suggest that being open and following that lead would be very good content, while also showing a bit of acknowledgement on kids that are outperforming your expectations. I see you post your 'wins' on twitter all the time, I would suggest that posting your 'losses' may add more value and make those wins more valuable, and show a bit of a humble side as well.

Just food for thought, appreciate the back and forth.
I appreciate all the feedback. It's definitely all stuff I've thought about, but it's always good to re-jig my brain on it coming from someone else. There's more I could say, and if we were having a beer together, we could have an interesting discussion on it all, but not sure this is the best medium for it all.

As I watched plenty of 07 tape last month, I actually am working on this sort of reflection article for them. Highlight some players who are exceeding my expectations regardless of where I had them and outline what I missed if applicable. Hard to straddle the 09s and reviewing the 08s/07s all at once, but I am working on some of that stuff.

I try to rarely position what I say as coming across as counting my wins, but it's possible I need to review some of my tone / wording if it's coming across that way. I mainly try to shed light on what a player offers, maybe share a snippet from something I previously wrote, but it's possible I'm missing the mark, so I appreciate this feedback big time as that was never really my intention.
 

Petey3329

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I was at the ETA showcase this past weekend. Lots of great hockey and talent on display.

Here are a few guys that caught my eye on games that I was able to catch:

Oakville - Forrester, Chaput and both goalies. Also had a player w no name bar but number 17. He was very good.

YSE - Edgar (so smooth), blyth, cloutier, Vietch (qmjhl draft eligible), Crawford

Barrie - Larmand, Chitaroni, Martin on D, Rollings, Morden

NOHA white - Gravelle

Ajax - Bouchard, Bagshaw

North Shore - Farmer

Halton - Semenstov, Underhill, Spadafora, Katzin

Quinte - Munnings, Rashotte, Leavitt

NCP - Wolfe, Black

Niagara - Rayner, Partridge

Great hockey. Hope to make it out to the Silverstick in a few weeks.
 

Leviathan899

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There’s way more important things to look at when evaluating 15 year olds than their height and weight.

What’s their compete level? Do they play with an edge? Where’s their head at off the ice?

You can focus more on height and weight when they’re 18 or 19 years old because they’re pretty much finished growing and their frame is established at that point, but not at 15 years old when there’s still so much growing to do.
You’ve inadvertently proven my point.

Instead of drafting a 5’7” 135lb “shrimp” like Denver Barkey, North Bay chose to draft a strapping 6’3” 190lb “power forward” like Owen Outwater.

One turned out to be a total flop and has bounced around the league on three different teams to where he’s now a third line plugger. The other turned out to be a 100+ point player, 3rd round NHL pick and is now captain of the best team in the league.

Incidentally, Barkey has grown from 5’7” to 5’10” - - which is still short and undersized, but not an obvious red flag for the size queens anymore.

This shouldn’t come as a surprise, because when a 15 year old is still just 5’7” they obviously haven’t had their growth spurt yet. Compared to a 15 year old who’s already 6’1” it’s much less likely that he’s going to become 6’4” tall.
To be fair that was a Covid year and scouting was all messed up.
 

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Oakville - Forrester, Chaput and both goalies. Also had a player w no name bar but number 17. He was very good.
Oakville players mentioned I believe:
17 - Giacomo Del Priore (F)
31 - Marko Mesich (G)
32 - Charlie Weiss (G)
93 - Alexander Forrest (D)

There are 2 Chaputs
18 - Maddyx Chaput (F)
88 - Hudsyn Chaput (F)
 

Petey3329

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Oakville players mentioned I believe:
17 - Giacomo Del Priore (F)
31 - Marko Mesich (G)
32 - Charlie Weiss (G)
93 - Alexander Forrest (D)

There are 2 Chaputs
18 - Maddyx Chaput (F)
88 - Hudsyn Chaput (F)
Thanks for the names!

It was M Chaput.
 

HockeyPops

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Getting excited for the Silver Stick tournament.

POOL A
Mission
Honeybaked
Ottawa Valley Titans
Toronto Titans
Whitby Wildcats

POOL B
AP Raiders
Don Mills Flyers
Elgin Middlesex Canucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Upper Canada Cyclones

POOL C
Little Caesars
Halton Hurricanes
Sudbury Wolves
JRC
York Simcoe Express

POOL D
Buffalo Jr. Sabres
Huron Perth Lakers
Niagara North Stars
Quinte Red Devils
Marlies

POOL E
Barrie Colts
Chicago Reapers
Nashville Jr Predators
Sun County Panthers
Toronto Red Wings

POOL F
North Bay Trappers
Oakville Rangers
Ottawa Myers Automotive
Bishop Kearney Selects
Vaughan Kings

Wondering how the following players look on their new teams. I am sure this list is incomplete, if anyone else knows of other changes of note, please post them.
Lyndon Cabral, Huron Perth Lakers -> Don Mills Flyers
Cooper Oikawa, Barrie Colts -> Niagara North Stars
Landon Roulston (2010), Niagara North Stars -> Marlies
Zaiden Hraiche, Oakville Rangers -> Niagara North Stars
Caiden Clair, Don Mills Flyers -> Toronto Red Wings
Camryn Warren, North York Rangers -> JRC
Sam Roberts, Toronto Titans -> JRC
Branden Chong, Toronto Titans -> JRC
Max Branton, PPE -> Marlies
Gavin Whiston, Vaughan Kings -> Ajax Pickering Raiders
Tyler Hinde, Reps -> Toronto Red Wings
 
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IceDogFan

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I was at the ETA showcase this past weekend. Lots of great hockey and talent on display.

Here are a few guys that caught my eye on games that I was able to catch:

Oakville - Forrester, Chaput and both goalies. Also had a player w no name bar but number 17. He was very good.

YSE - Edgar (so smooth), blyth, cloutier, Vietch (qmjhl draft eligible), Crawford

Barrie - Larmand, Chitaroni, Martin on D, Rollings, Morden

NOHA white - Gravelle

Ajax - Bouchard, Bagshaw

North Shore - Farmer

Halton - Semenstov, Underhill, Spadafora, Katzin

Quinte - Munnings, Rashotte, Leavitt

NCP - Wolfe, Black

Niagara - Rayner, Partridge

Great hockey. Hope to make it out to the Silverstick in a few weeks.
17 for Oakville is GIACOMO DEL PRIORE their leading sacorer.

Getting excited for the Silver Stick tournament.

POOL A
Mission
Honeybaked
Ottawa Valley Titans
Toronto Titans
Whitby Wildcats

POOL B
AP Raiders
Don Mills Flyers
Elgin Middlesex Canucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Upper Canada Cyclones

POOL C
Little Caesars
Halton Hurricanes
Sudbury Wolves
JRC
York Simcoe Express

POOL D
Buffalo Jr. Sabres
Huron Perth Lakers
Niagara North Stars
Quinte Red Devils
Marlies

POOL E
Barrie Colts
Chicago Reapers
Nashville Jr Predators
Sun County Panthers
Toronto Red Wings

POOL F
North Bay Trappers
Oakville Rangers
Ottawa Myers Automotive
Bishop Kearney Selects
Vaughan Kings

Wondering how the following players look on their new teams. I am sure this list is incomplete, if anyone else knows of other changes of note, please post them.
Lyndon Cabral, Huron Perth Lakers -> Don Mills Flyers
Cooper Oikawa, Barrie Colts -> Niagara North Stars
Landon Roulston (2010), Niagara North Stars -> Marlies
Zaiden Hraiche, Oakville Rangers -> Niagara North Stars
Caiden Clair, Don Mills Flyers -> Toronto Red Wings
Camryn Warren, North York Rangers -> JRC
Sam Roberts, Toronto Titans -> JRC
Branden Chong, Toronto Titans -> JRC
Max Branton, ??? -> Marlies
Gavin Whiston, Vaughan Kings -> Ajax Pickering Raiders
Tyler Hinde, Reps -> Toronto Red Wings
Roulston is on Oakville.
 

Section5Petes

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As it currently stands, the Petes have 5 picks in the first three rounds of the 2025 Draft
- 1st
- OTT 2nd
- FLNT 2nd
- KGN 3rd
- WSR 3rd

I do wonder if the one of the 2nds and/or 3rds will be flipped for future drafts but either way, Petes might be able to get some high end talent and build a nice '07/'08/'09 core. Yes it's early but I wonder who the Petes could target in the 2nd/3rd rd range?
 
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Donnie740

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I appreciate your feedback and certainly understand doing most of this by video isn't the norm and puts me on an island. I've gone to my fair share of games/tournaments and I think my work (reports and rankings) are at the very least on par, if not better off when I do it over video. I don't intend to convince anyone of this as I know it's unpopular, but a lot of what I do wouldn't be possible if I were to be mainly in person. It may not be the way others do things, but it's what I find works best for me.

All I ask is for people to approach my work with an open mind. There's a long list of reasons why my rankings may be different than consensus / what happens on draft day, and at the bottom of that list is watching games in person vs. video. I've never claimed to be perfect or better than anyone at this, but giving me the benefit of the doubt that my opinions and rankings have an incredible amount of time and thought behind them is all I can hope for.

At the end of the day, I'm just a guy sharing my perspective. Whether people want to agree with me or disagree with me is their choice, but that can be done so respectfully.

I commend you for the time and money you’ve put into building the Puck Preps site - - coverage and discussion like that of the CHL is always a good thing.

Don’t ever feel compelled to apologize for watching video as opposed to in person. It’s laughable to have wannabe “scouts” disparage your work and then whine about how much time they have to spend “scouting” on the road. You’re able to watch video of four or five games in the same amount of time it takes the “scouts” to travel to and from a single game. That’s certainly a more efficient means.

It’s nothing more than jealousy and feeling inadequate about how a pile of rumpled notepads measures up against an actual website.

If I could offer some unsolicited suggestions, I’d implore you to forget about trying to project/guess the draft order. There’s already a plethora of hacks doing that worthless exercise. Having a clown like Joke Marek get fired for spoon feeding some gimp the names of each pick a few minutes before it was announced proves just how useless this is.

You’re going to build your reputation and credibility far more by compiling your own rankings when people look back in a few years and see the league MVP who went late in the 2nd round was a guy you had ranked in your top five for the priority draft ranking.

Not sure if you’re hoping to get hired by an NHL team as some of these self proclaimed “scouts” seem to be aspiring for, but the main thing is that you’re already able to monetize your work now.

I’d recommend adding a bit more free content as a means of encouraging people to purchase the premium content.

Such as publicizing your rankings for all to see but only giving access to see your scouting report for each player to premium subscribers. This is going to generate interest in your rankings - - people are going to be curious as to why you’ve ranked a guy in the mid teens when he’s projected to be a top five pick by others. And then after the fact, fans are going to see that a guy their team got in the third round was someone you had ranked as a first rounder and they’ll want to know what it is that you see in him.

Lastly, if you’re charging $200 for the year I’d recommend charging more than just $20 per month. The recurring billing structure is a good set up but let’s be honest - - the majority of interest is going to occur around occur around draft time, not so much in the middle of summer. Charging somewhere between $30 and $40 a month is more realistic to deal with the cheapskates who try to game the system by signing up during draft month then immediately canceling and it would help entice them to sign up for the annual $200 package from a value perspective.

Keep up the good work and all the best with your endeavour, my friend.
 

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Who are the top goalies and dmen this year?
Fair warning, I haven't been able to get out to any games yet, so all my information comes from stat watching. Here are the guys that I'm interested in seeing:

Cruz Reznik (Toronto Red Wings) and Cole Vreugdenhill (Halton Hurricanes) are the goalies who have caught my eye. Reznik has played up for awhile and stands at 6'3". Vreugdenhill turned 15 a few weeks ago (early November birthday) and is already 6'4".

For d-men, Lucas Nutting (Elgin-Middlesex Canucks) is third in Alliance scoring, putting up 23 points in 11 games. David Buchman (Ottawa Valley Titans) has the third highest PPG in the HEO with 17 points in 12 games. The OHL done two prospect profiles on defencemen: Peter Green (Don Mills Flyers) and Blake Munnings (Quinte Red Devils)
 

Hkydad99

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I heard he left Oakville for the Marlies last month?
Yes Roulston is now a Marlboro. Del Priore replaced him, and he is from the Long Island Gulls.

As it currently stands, the Petes have 5 picks in the first three rounds of the 2025 Draft
- 1st
- OTT 2nd
- FLNT 2nd
- KGN 3rd
- WSR 3rd

I do wonder if the one of the 2nds and/or 3rds will be flipped for future drafts but either way, Petes might be able to get some high end talent and build a nice '07/'08/'09 core. Yes it's early but I wonder who the Petes could target in the 2nd/3rd rd range?
Lots of talent in this 2009 Age group, they could load up with some strong D ASAP.
 
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Hkydad99

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Fair warning, I haven't been able to get out to any games yet, so all my information comes from stat watching. Here are the guys that I'm interested in seeing:

Cruz Reznik (Toronto Red Wings) and Cole Vreugdenhill (Halton Hurricanes) are the goalies who have caught my eye. Reznik has played up for awhile and stands at 6'3". Vreugdenhill turned 15 a few weeks ago (early November birthday) and is already 6'4".

For d-men, Lucas Nutting (Elgin-Middlesex Canucks) is third in Alliance scoring, putting up 23 points in 11 games. David Buchman (Ottawa Valley Titans) has the third highest PPG in the HEO with 17 points in 12 games. The OHL done two prospect profiles on defencemen: Peter Green (Don Mills Flyers) and Blake Munnings (Quinte Red Devils)
Some good D out West are D'Amico and Underhill from Halton. D'amico has great hands and good IQ, Underhill is 6' 4" and plays a strong game on the boards and in net front. Also, on Oakville Buchan and Forrest are high IQ, great on their edges. ALL have potential to develop into top 4 talent.
 

Rinkthoughts

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Getting excited for the Silver Stick tournament.

POOL A
Mission
Honeybaked
Ottawa Valley Titans
Toronto Titans
Whitby Wildcats

POOL B
AP Raiders
Don Mills Flyers
Elgin Middlesex Canucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Upper Canada Cyclones

POOL C
Little Caesars
Halton Hurricanes
Sudbury Wolves
JRC
York Simcoe Express

POOL D
Buffalo Jr. Sabres
Huron Perth Lakers
Niagara North Stars
Quinte Red Devils
Marlies

POOL E
Barrie Colts
Chicago Reapers
Nashville Jr Predators
Sun County Panthers
Toronto Red Wings

POOL F
North Bay Trappers
Oakville Rangers
Ottawa Myers Automotive
Bishop Kearney Selects
Vaughan Kings

Wondering how the following players look on their new teams. I am sure this list is incomplete, if anyone else knows of other changes of note, please post them.
Lyndon Cabral, Huron Perth Lakers -> Don Mills Flyers
Cooper Oikawa, Barrie Colts -> Niagara North Stars
Landon Roulston (2010), Niagara North Stars -> Marlies
Zaiden Hraiche, Oakville Rangers -> Niagara North Stars
Caiden Clair, Don Mills Flyers -> Toronto Red Wings
Camryn Warren, North York Rangers -> JRC
Sam Roberts, Toronto Titans -> JRC
Branden Chong, Toronto Titans -> JRC
Max Branton, ??? -> Marlies
Gavin Whiston, Vaughan Kings -> Ajax Pickering Raiders
Tyler Hinde, Reps -> Toronto Red Wings
Branton Played for Pens Elite last season but is a Newfoundland(two years in Nova Scotia) native. Would he be eligible for the OHL ?
 

DraftGuyyy

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I commend you for the time and money you’ve put into building the Puck Preps site - - coverage and discussion like that of the CHL is always a good thing.

Don’t ever feel compelled to apologize for watching video as opposed to in person. It’s laughable to have wannabe “scouts” disparage your work and then whine about how much time they have to spend “scouting” on the road. You’re able to watch video of four or five games in the same amount of time it takes the “scouts” to travel to and from a single game. That’s certainly a more efficient means.

It’s nothing more than jealousy and feeling inadequate about how a pile of rumpled notepads measures up against an actual website.

If I could offer some unsolicited suggestions, I’d implore you to forget about trying to project/guess the draft order. There’s already a plethora of hacks doing that worthless exercise. Having a clown like Joke Marek get fired for spoon feeding some gimp the names of each pick a few minutes before it was announced proves just how useless this is.

You’re going to build your reputation and credibility far more by compiling your own rankings when people look back in a few years and see the league MVP who went late in the 2nd round was a guy you had ranked in your top five for the priority draft ranking.

Not sure if you’re hoping to get hired by an NHL team as some of these self proclaimed “scouts” seem to be aspiring for, but the main thing is that you’re already able to monetize your work now.

I’d recommend adding a bit more free content as a means of encouraging people to purchase the premium content.

Such as publicizing your rankings for all to see but only giving access to see your scouting report for each player to premium subscribers. This is going to generate interest in your rankings - - people are going to be curious as to why you’ve ranked a guy in the mid teens when he’s projected to be a top five pick by others. And then after the fact, fans are going to see that a guy their team got in the third round was someone you had ranked as a first rounder and they’ll want to know what it is that you see in him.

Lastly, if you’re charging $200 for the year I’d recommend charging more than just $20 per month. The recurring billing structure is a good set up but let’s be honest - - the majority of interest is going to occur around occur around draft time, not so much in the middle of summer. Charging somewhere between $30 and $40 a month is more realistic to deal with the cheapskates who try to game the system by signing up during draft month then immediately canceling and it would help entice them to sign up for the annual $200 package from a value perspective.

Keep up the good work and all the best with your endeavour, my friend.
Point of clarification, I do not believe he is the owner of the site, I have to believe he is a volunteer scout of some sort, generally I don't believe scouts are paid on those kind of sites, now I could be wrong.

Secondly, I'm biting and replying even thou I'm fairly certain you are posting in a way to troll a bit, which I thought was against the rules on here, but I'm not an expert in that in any means.

So again, I'm an engineer whose background is in efficiency and productivity, making the best product and most profit for the least cost. I've done it for years to the point that I'm basically retired in my early 50s. Not a flex, just is what it is. I think your idea on the video may have merit because it knocks down cost considerably, which I'm sure is a major factor in Jordan's decision not to go to games, not that its more efficient.

The issue becomes the product and is it good enough to sustain that. I was a customer last year and their business model is good, it tries to get parents early and then continuously rank age groups to continue to get subscriptions. Its rather effective depending on the parents level of insecurity and need for information. You may get them for 3/4 years. I struggled with the quality of the lists, which varied significantly from what happened on draft day. That's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, as Jordan could be smarter then the entire OHL scouting community, the struggle is that with an early look at his list, its simply not true. I go back to my son, who Jordan had ranked very high. He was a late pick and while I appreciate Jordan's optimism in him, I don't see the OHL in his future next year, he is simply too far away. One of my sons teammates from last year was also rated highly (I was rather surprised given his position, relatively small size and low production), but was not drafted. Kids that Jordan had rated after him are already in the OHL and doing well. In 4 years perhaps he will on an overall average do better, but its not a great start. That's why I asked him about his 2007 draft and if he's done a critical analysis on previous rankings.

So as a guy who loves process and making things better, my first question if I was the business owner, would be how can we improve. Is it that Jordan simply needs more time to learn and grow, probably if its only his second year doing it. But if Jordan tells me that he doesn't go to games and OHL teams do (and scouts do), and I look at the list that doesn't look like its holding up already, then in my mind his process needs to change. Perhaps there would be an initial hit to profitability, but if going to games adds more quality to the list, then perhaps its worth it over the long term. Secondly, having him out with a jacket on and being seen buy potential customers may end up driving more business anyways, so going out may end up paying for itself in that aspect.

End of the day no one really cares I don't think, I just wonder if some tweak's to the process may make the list better, and in a round about way may help Jordan move up the hockey world. To another posters point, I don't imagine that there is a high demand in the NHL for video analysts in scouting, at least not with what he does, there's tons of guys who do in person scouting and that seems to be the apitite for NHL teams, probably due to accuracy. Most video of them from what I see are more mathematical and more driven by the ability to build modeling. Instat, which we had access to last year via our U16 team, has even made them a bit less needed.
 

Jordan Malette

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I struggled with the quality of the lists, which varied significantly from what happened on draft day.
I looked at this all around the draft but had to re-jig my memory on it, but my list holds up to what happened pretty well, even if it isn't my goal. For transparency, I always remove any drafted Americans & goalies to benchmark, as they aren't on my rankings.

While there certainly are deviations in both directions, on the macro level, 72 of my top 100 were taken in the top 100 and 87 within the top 150. 6 players were taken after 150 (1 NCAA bound), and 7 went unselected. This isn’t the most robust analysis, and I’ll spare the details on the degree of deviation within those 72/87, but as a whole, it depicts things weren’t totally in left field outside of a small bucket of players.

Perhaps those results aren't ideal, and I'm not here to suggest I’m better or worse than another scouting service, but I benchmarked another site’s top 100, and the big-picture results appear very similar to mine, for whatever that's worth.

I’m happy to take feedback and always looking to improve things, but I am just chiming in as, in my defence, even if I had my fair share of outliers/deviations that I could end up wrong on, things still line up well enough.

I commend you for the time and money you’ve put into building the Puck Preps site - - coverage and discussion like that of the CHL is always a good thing.

Don’t ever feel compelled to apologize for watching video as opposed to in person. It’s laughable to have wannabe “scouts” disparage your work and then whine about how much time they have to spend “scouting” on the road. You’re able to watch video of four or five games in the same amount of time it takes the “scouts” to travel to and from a single game. That’s certainly a more efficient means.

It’s nothing more than jealousy and feeling inadequate about how a pile of rumpled notepads measures up against an actual website.

If I could offer some unsolicited suggestions, I’d implore you to forget about trying to project/guess the draft order. There’s already a plethora of hacks doing that worthless exercise. Having a clown like Joke Marek get fired for spoon feeding some gimp the names of each pick a few minutes before it was announced proves just how useless this is.

You’re going to build your reputation and credibility far more by compiling your own rankings when people look back in a few years and see the league MVP who went late in the 2nd round was a guy you had ranked in your top five for the priority draft ranking.

Not sure if you’re hoping to get hired by an NHL team as some of these self proclaimed “scouts” seem to be aspiring for, but the main thing is that you’re already able to monetize your work now.

I’d recommend adding a bit more free content as a means of encouraging people to purchase the premium content.

Such as publicizing your rankings for all to see but only giving access to see your scouting report for each player to premium subscribers. This is going to generate interest in your rankings - - people are going to be curious as to why you’ve ranked a guy in the mid teens when he’s projected to be a top five pick by others. And then after the fact, fans are going to see that a guy their team got in the third round was someone you had ranked as a first rounder and they’ll want to know what it is that you see in him.

Lastly, if you’re charging $200 for the year I’d recommend charging more than just $20 per month. The recurring billing structure is a good set up but let’s be honest - - the majority of interest is going to occur around occur around draft time, not so much in the middle of summer. Charging somewhere between $30 and $40 a month is more realistic to deal with the cheapskates who try to game the system by signing up during draft month then immediately canceling and it would help entice them to sign up for the annual $200 package from a value perspective.

Keep up the good work and all the best with your endeavour, my friend.
I appreciate it all. I'm definitely not the business owner so a lot of this is outside of my duties, but I will pass it all along as I give my $0.02 on this stuff from time to time.
 

DraftGuyyy

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I looked at this all around the draft but had to re-jig my memory on it, but my list holds up to what happened pretty well, even if it isn't my goal. For transparency, I always remove any drafted Americans & goalies to benchmark, as they aren't on my rankings.

While there certainly are deviations in both directions, on the macro level, 72 of my top 100 were taken in the top 100 and 87 within the top 150. 6 players were taken after 150 (1 NCAA bound), and 7 went unselected. This isn’t the most robust analysis, and I’ll spare the details on the degree of deviation within those 72/87, but as a whole, it depicts things weren’t totally in left field outside of a small bucket of players.

Perhaps those results aren't ideal, and I'm not here to suggest I’m better or worse than another scouting service, but I benchmarked another site’s top 100, and the big-picture results appear very similar to mine, for whatever that's worth.

I’m happy to take feedback and always looking to improve things, but I am just chiming in as, in my defence, even if I had my fair share of outliers/deviations that I could end up wrong on, things still line up well enough.


I appreciate it all. I'm definitely not the business owner so a lot of this is outside of my duties, but I will pass it all along as I give my $0.02 on this stuff from time to time.
I'm not going to go down the road again, as I don't really care that much and its getting a bit tiring. My fault for opening Pandora's box with the poster who stirred it up, I should have known better.

If your happy with the list performance then that's all that matters, that and the boss that you have. I would think that having the top pick in the draft so low (and others like Fitzgerald who scored 2 goals a game for the last 2 months it seemed) would be a red flag and something to sit back and ask 'where did I go wrong'. I found that trend in your list throughout, more credit to smaller skilled guys where bigger players who at times performed statistically just as well, were lower, despite the OHL seemingly wanting those players more is seems. My kid is one of those small kids that for whatever reason was highly rated despite some of his peers who are getting OHL minutes and are bigger, my kid is in U18, which is probably right. I found the other list did a strong job of balancing it better, just my opinion as a consumer.

But again, that's simply my opinion, if you are happy, keep going at it. I would say as others have said, I don't imagine there would be alot of demand for scouts who don't scout per say, but that's something you have to judge, not me.
 
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