GDT: #20 | Hurricanes at Flyers | Wednesday, November 20, 2024 | 7:30 PM | TNT/Max/NBCSP, 93.3 FM

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

This is Tortorella in Vancouver levels of awful now. I'm watching for draft positioning now. There's no way this club is talented enough to even sniff at a playoff spot. But hey, the culture is good, right?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Another game against an elite opponent and another beat down.

im beginning to think you can for a fact NOT win just by being "hard to play against #culture championd"

someone reply to him "get in your f***ing shell"

 

[Flyerfan4life]

This team can't obviously compete vs the best, why don't they accept this fact and start rebuilding? Because without new blood it'll be the same shit over and over again.

umm this is year 3 of their 3 year rebuild. what your seeing is basicly the finished product towards cup contention..

 

[CerpinTaxt]

This is Tortorella in Vancouver levels of awful now. I'm watching for draft positioning now. There's no way this club is talented enough to even sniff at a playoff spot. But hey, the culture is good, right?

Don't know what culture they are going for but if it's a losing one they sure picked the right coach

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Fedoruk said on the radio that the Canes perfected the defensive side of the game by not being in the defensive zone.

Makes you wonder.

wait!!! that cant be right..

Emp. Torts gunna have words with them

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@Beef Invictus

 

[ajgoal]

best defense is a good offense?

You know who said that?

Mel, the cook on Alice.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

@Beef Invictus

sounds like the lockerroom cancer is still here..

 

[deadhead]

umm this is year 3 of their 3 year rebuild. what your seeing is basicly the finished product towards cup contention..

Year 2 of a 5 year rebuild.
Remember CF extended Risto and traded for TDA after he traded Giroux?

Briere had no illusions, which is why they added no one in the summer.

Grans played well again, Zamula - Grans might be worth a longer look even when York and Andrae return. Richard played well in limited action, he could skate with the Canes, but when he had to go to the boards to get the puck, well . . .

They seemed to run out of gas in the 3rd period, almost as if trying to keep up with the best forechecking team in the NHL wore them down.

Carolina doesn't play defense by keeping the puck in the offensive zone, they check just as hard in the D-zone, which is why they keep getting the puck back and into the offensive zone. And they don't have a fancy offense, run the cycle, win board battles, shoot from everywhere, hope for the eventual lucky bounce and pounce on it. Nothing fancy, just nonstop aggression.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

“It’s more than one year but less than four.” - Keith Jones in May of ‘23.

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Beef Invictus

The Richard pass, which was a good play with an unlucky result because someone Schenned it. A fantastic play, really.

And then again when someone dumped the puck over to the far corner forgetting that the entire forechecking formation was set on the left side ready to do some north-south setups for bad chances, so it was just a turnover. I guess the silver lining is that it could have maxxed out puck support in that situation. So they listened.

If they're starting the "we have to be MORE conservative and safe offensively" spiel two months early then this is going to be rough from here through April.

These guys are just trying to win, with some honestly basic and not outrageously risky plays, and Tortorella is even losing his shit over basic offensive playmaking.

 

[deadhead]

Colorado and Carolina exposed the lack of team speed, they're faster than 2-3 years ago, but still need a lot more speed and quickness to keep up with these teams.

 

[deadhead]

“It’s more than one year but less than four.” - Keith Jones in May of ‘23.

In other words, they hope to be competitive in 2027-28 (24, 25, 26 is three years).

Which was always the schedule before Michkov came over, the original schedule had him coming over in 2026-27 and hit his stride in 2027-28 when he had a season to acclimate. And the 2025 draft should be arrive by 2027 (3 years after the draft).

Nothing has changed, they're rebuilding, they're not signing or trading for veterans.
The big summer additions were Richard, Abols and Eklind, basically to shore up LHV.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There isn't a single schedule you can dream up as either contending now or rebuilding that makes a shred of sense in terms of what they've actually been doing.

 

[deadhead]

Torts had a great little interview on TNT.

"Mich, Mich . . . oh great play!"

Has the same standard for Mich as for TK, want them to take risks, but if they get too far off the reservation, pull 'em back on.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Flyers are a bad team. Every once in a while they’ll get a hot streak going where they bore the game down to unwatchable levels to get to overtime or the shootout. They still haven’t had their 10 game losing streak yet. I still bet they are picking in the top 5. It’s really for the best though

Go look at the bottom feeders of rhe leagues rosters. If the Flyers get anything close to decent goaltending. Which they might out their trio, they aren't a bottom 5 team. Especially with the brand of hockey they play.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Fedoruk said on the radio that the Canes perfected the defensive side of the game by not being in the defensive zone.

Makes you wonder.

When you have the puck the other team can’t score.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

@Beef Invictus

Maybe, it's because you know, Tort's system is complete garbage, has no real voice to these guys to keep it up and the team lacks overall skill compared to most? Yeah. If anything, it's one step closer to Torts being fired.

 

[TCTC]

There isn't a single schedule you can dream up as either contending now or rebuilding that makes a shred of sense in terms of what they've actually been doing.

It's the Hextall rebuild without really rebuilding approach all over again. The only difference is that Hextall made better use of the few assets he did trade.

I'm not complaining about keeping Konecny though. I'm glad we kept him. But Briere will have to do a better job at building around him. So far drafting Michkov with the 7th pick has been his biggest accomplishment.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Hurricanes 5on5	Flyers
Corsi: 81, Shots: 36, Expected Goals: 4.1	Corsi: 27, Shots: 12, Expected Goals: 1.24

 

[flyersnorth]

That was one of their best second periods of the season and they only managed 4 shots on net.

A note from the future: it doesn’t get better in the 3rd.

 

[ybnvs]

TK is clearly the only forward dressed that can play tight passing hockey with Michkov.

Play Frost.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

So we are going to call it a 5 year rebuild every time a new GM is hired. Got it

 

[deadhead]

Like I said, Carolina is the blueprint:

"We're playing basically the same style, checking forward and all that," Tortorella said at morning skate. "I'm not sure how Roddy teaches it, but we want to press, we want to check forward, we want to take chances. I think it looks similar. I don't think we're as fast, I think they're a bit deeper team than we are, but that is going to be the blueprint. As long as I have the opportunity to coach this team, that is going to be the blueprint.

"I think it's important to have that blueprint for management as we start drafting players toward that, too. The style of play is a very important thing. It gives management and scouts the opportunity to kind of zero in on what type of players we're looking for."

Flyers have become better at forcing turnovers in the D-zone and neutral zone, but converting them into possession and scoring chances is where they fall short.

They definitely need more speed/size combos, guys who can skate with opposing players, but also big enough to win board battles and keep the puck. It's not so much pure speed but good speed and quickness with high motors.

Carolina has few forwards under 190 lbs, Aho 6'0 180, Drury 5'11 186, Jarvis 5'10 184 (IR)
Two small D-men in Ghost and Walker, three big ones in Orlov. Slavin and Burns.

 

[deadhead]

So we are going to call it a 5 year rebuild every time a new GM is hired. Got it

Most rebuilds take longer than 5 years, people want to tank, that would mean they wouldn't be competitive until 2030+, since you'd have to trade away a number of younger players and then replace them through the draft (not just land 1 or 2 in the top 5, but a number in the top 10 as well).

Since teams almost never trade top 10 picks, those trades would garner you a lot of late 1st, late 2nd rd picks.

The teams that pick high for a few years tend to be veteran laden teams with little in the pipeline that grow old quickly and when they dump those contracts, have little talent - think the Pens in a couple years. It's rarely done deliberately, it's more "the party's over" and the only thing you can do is build back from ground zero.