Proposal: 2 ideas for my bruins

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

im a bruin fan and try to make proposals that i think make sense for how the team is thinking. im not an expert on all 29 other teams but i do attempt to pay attention to their needs too.

i think boston is looking to upgrade their d... i think their center position is overloaded with current options and top prospects... and managing the cap over the next couple years is a challange.

with this in mind my first phone call goes to columbus

i ask for jack johnson lhs dman 2 years from ufa at 4.357
and boone jenner on a 2.9 mill contract

i give columbus the first line center they seam to need david krecji
and give them either kevan miller or adam mcquaid

*krecji has a ntc which lets him block 15 teams... im hoping columbus isnt one of those teams.

this deal would clear 2.5 mill cap room next season allowing me to resign pastrnak/spooner and still afford my second idea.

deal 2 is the much rumored move with winnipeg for jacob trouba

my offer becomes torey krug who becomes expendable after the jack johnson trade... and i offer the boston first. it might not be the perfect deal for winnipeg but im betting it will be their best offer.

im assuming trouba can be signed for around lindholm money now

after my trade i think b's have a defense in front of rask that can contend for playoff sucess now and in future

id think wed pair trouba/johnson for offense opportunities
carlo/chara for defensive assignments
macquaid or k miller/liles for 3rd pair

one of c miller/morrow is going to end up on waivers but neither figures prominantly in the teams plans. weve drafted 2 dmen in the first round the past 2 years we will be wanting to work into lineup as chara retires... their development would decide if we try to resign jack johnson. johnson isnt a stud top pairing guy but hes certainly a good top 4 guy.

up front losing krecji should hurt... but i dont think it will really effect boston alot.

bergeron/marchand and whoever plays rw with them clearly can be considered a number 1 line. if pastrnak is the guy, b fans have reason to get excited.

backes is proven capable on centering a second line... b's have at least 3 kids ready to be tested with icetime in frank vatrano/ austin czarik/danton heinen... matt belesky is signed and helps provide grit here.

spooner would benefit being the pp guy and offensive center after krejci is moved. a big body like boone jenner should be a good choice to play wing here. then riley nash and jimmy hayes can compete for 3rd spot ( hopefully vegas takes hayes in the expansion draft)

bruins are very happy with the 4th line. accari is a keeper/schaller fits with him/dominec moore is only around for the season but boston is super deep with 4th line options including riley nash

there isnt alot of weakness in this lineup looking forward but zach shyshyn and jake debrusk could challange beleskys spot in the lineup as early as next year if team needs more cap room.

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[Viqsi]

with this in mind my first phone call goes to columbus

i ask for jack johnson lhs dman 2 years from ufa at 4.357
and boone jenner on a 2.9 mill contract

i give columbus the first line center they seam to need david krecji
and give them either kevan miller or adam mcquaid

Decent try, but I'd still say no. You can either keep Jenner in the deal and give us a second decent piece, or you can stick us with term in the form of Miller or McQuaid and take back someone less valuable, but we're not going to do both. We're losing two quality players and only getting one back - and that one would be the second-oldest active player on the team after Hartnell (albeit by one day - no, seriously, he's a day older than Dubi ) as well as the highest paid.

We've got too many folks we want to retain to be willing to take on extra cap for that long, and Krejci, while a very good player, isn't good enough to be worth that kind of reach IMO.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Decent try, but I'd still say no. You can either keep Jenner in the deal and give us a second decent piece, or you can stick us with term in the form of Miller or McQuaid and take back someone less valuable, but we're not going to do both. We're losing two quality players and only getting one back - and that one would be the second-oldest active player on the team after Hartnell (albeit by one day - no, seriously, he's a day older than Dubi ) as well as the highest paid.

We've got too many folks we want to retain to be willing to take on extra cap for that long, and Krejci, while a very good player, isn't good enough to be worth that kind of reach IMO.

i was thinking columbus might be getting frustrated with jenner? ive seen his icetime down? if hes still in favor we can leave him out

i also thought columbus needs some team toughness upgrade on their blueline. it seams smaller and younger to me? but if columbus doesnt like miller or mcquaid i feel i can deal one off to a second team... no biggie

i dont feel jack johnson by himself gets you krecji but i think the difference can be balanced with a pick swap. for boston my motivation is trying to get a top 4 defense i feel comfortable running out there 20-22 mins per game that has size but decent puck moving too. i do feel jack johnson can be part of a 4 man group and his caphit fits... so to me he is valuable. but im wondering how columbus views him?

maybe i suggest moving macquaid for ladislav smid and a mid round pick if columbus doesnt want him? calgary doesnt have enough dmen signed beyound this year. smids on an expiring contract and on ltir. i think mcquaid is alot better than egland and helps calgary with their team toughness/character

if boston doesnt acquire boone jenner, than belesky has an easier time keeping a spot... and now we have room for 2 of czarik/vatrano/heinen to play

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Decent try, but I'd still say no. You can either keep Jenner in the deal and give us a second decent piece, or you can stick us with term in the form of Miller or McQuaid and take back someone less valuable, but we're not going to do both. We're losing two quality players and only getting one back - and that one would be the second-oldest active player on the team after Hartnell (albeit by one day - no, seriously, he's a day older than Dubi ) as well as the highest paid.

We've got too many folks we want to retain to be willing to take on extra cap for that long, and Krejci, while a very good player, isn't good enough to be worth that kind of reach IMO.

Pretty much this. I'd be willing to include a piece like Hartnell, Calvert, Anderson, etc. on top of Johnson to acquire Krejci, but wouldn't really consider adding Jenner to the deal unless a good, young piece is coming back as well. An idea would be Jenner+Johnson for Krejci+Carlo, but I seriously doubt the B's consider that.

 

[thadd]

Those are both solid proposals IMO.
If Columbus wants to cough up blueline depth for a legit 1st line center that works.

Trouba trade keeps you guys young.

One reason I really like this trade is because I think Boston either needs to rebuild or retool and nobody wants to go through a rebuild because it usually involves losing a ton of games for a number of years but moves like this would make a retooling possible.

After this you guys need to find a way to get rid of Rask's toxic contract without taking on another one and then you're in very fine shape.

 

[Halla]

columbus probably says no to the first deal. I can't see them moving on from a kid that scored 30 as a 22 year old in order to grab a 30 year old big ticket C.

It would likely have to be johnson with a significant + (milano perhaps?)

I think the bruins-jets deal is solid. I doubt the jets even get a return as good as krug + 1st, so they would likely take it

 

[mikeyp24]

Agree with my CBJ fan here in that adding Jenner doesn't work for us. He is just off to a slow start he is wearing an A and the guys and coaches are very high on him just starting off very slow this year.

JMFJ on the other hand is tradable and has been great ever since he hasn't been asked to pull top line duty. He is a good 3 but a great 4 and I feel you wouldn't be disappointed. He gets such a bad rep here but most of it is from his LA days or uninformed people who just read posters say things and believe it. Couldn't be happier with him right now. But if he can be used to get a actual 1C I'm willing to part. Obviously we add here or pick swap like you said. Take a look at our top 20 ranked prospects and see what you like. Obviously if you want a high ranked prospect you will have to add a little too but I'm sure a guy like Bittner or Heathrington or guys in the 7 to 13 spots would be seen as fair adds.

Something like
CBJ trade JJ, Bittner, 17 2nd
BOS trade Krejci

Counter offers are more then welcome

 

[nmbr_24]

Pretty much this. I'd be willing to include a piece like Hartnell, Calvert, Anderson, etc. on top of Johnson to acquire Krejci, but wouldn't really consider adding Jenner to the deal unless a good, young piece is coming back as well. An idea would be Jenner+Johnson for Krejci+Carlo, but I seriously doubt the B's consider that.

This is just my opinion but to get Carlo and Krejci in one deal there better be an elite #1 D coming back. A #1 center and a 19 year old #2-3 D is too much to pay for those guys. I wouldn't trade Carlo at all, it doesn't make any sense for Boston, they need to add D, not swap D.

 

[Viqsi]

i was thinking columbus might be getting frustrated with jenner? ive seen his icetime down? if hes still in favor we can leave him out

He's unquestionably off to a slow start and that's a tad worrisome, but it's way too soon to give up on the guy.

i also thought columbus needs some team toughness upgrade on their blueline. it seams smaller and younger to me? but if columbus doesnt like miller or mcquaid i feel i can deal one off to a second team... no biggie

McQuaid forced his way out of here once already, so screw him. And we're not really looking for a "toughness" injection on the blueline - Jones is playing a bit more physical of late, Savard is still very good in the defensive end, and if we badly need a true tough guy we still employ Dalton Prout.

i dont feel jack johnson by himself gets you krecji but i think the difference can be balanced with a pick swap. for boston my motivation is trying to get a top 4 defense i feel comfortable running out there 20-22 mins per game that has size but decent puck moving too. i do feel jack johnson can be part of a 4 man group and his caphit fits... so to me he is valuable. but im wondering how columbus views him?

That's a pretty fair assessment, and that's almost a reasonable evaluation of JJ. He's not as good as a puck mover as one might normally expect from someone of his mobility, but he hardly qualifies as hopeless in that regard either. Don't expect him to lead your transition game, and don't try to rely on his point shot (he's got the accuracy of a snubnose Saturday night special), but he can get the puck out of the zone as needed and he can pinch surprisingly well. And he's surprisingly amazing on the penalty kill. And every once in a while (such as during our last playoff appearance) he'll abruptly go into Invincible Beast Mode and suddenly look like the elite do-everything #1 that he was sold as in his draft year, playing half an hour per game. We're not sure what triggers it but it's ****ing awesome when it happens.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah i don't see Krejci waiving for Columbus, And Jack Johnson isn't an upgrade over losing Torey Krug. And besides it sounds like Chevy might night be all the high on a Krug for Trouba deal. If Kypreos is right then Chevy wants Spooner+Carlo+2017 1st round pick for Jacob Trouba and i doubt that Sweeney is all that keen on moving Carlo.

 

[57special]

The amount of proposed deals on HFB surrounding players with NMC's is staggering, as if it's not a big deal to get a player to waive said clause in his contract. Not going to happen. Team either buys him out, or he's yours.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Krug and a 1st round pick is absolutely ridiculous, Winnipeg would take that value and run. 99% of Bruins fans wouldnt do it either.

Krejci I would trade, but if we're trading him its likely for futures (because we arent competing anymore). I don't necessarily hate the CLB trade.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Krug is a really good player.

However, he is also tiny, and that is being kind. The Jets are currently running 6'0" rookie Josh Morrissey in the #1 slot, and tiny Tobias Enstrom behind him. Doubt they'd have any interest in adding another small to that side.

Thanks anyway.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's silly how often Jenner's name keeps coming up. He had 30 goals last season and is 23.

 

[Dizzay]

I love both trades.......

I think we'd have to add in the Krejci deal though, especially if we were getting Jenner and they were taking Miller/Quaider off our hands. May have to include a Vatrano/Heinan.

Krug+ 1st for Trouba I do all day. We have signed Krug to be a top 4 dman, he's not. If we have Trouba/Johnson and lose Krug and McQuaid, we're a way better team. Then we can run with Bergy/Backes/Spooner down the middle and give Backes/Spooner Jenner to play with.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

To further the discussion on a deal around Johnson+ for Krejci, here is an idea that keeps both teams' needs/salary structures/future expansion draft implications in mind:

To Boston: Jack Johnson($4,357,143) + Scott Hartnell ($4,750,000) + Paul Bittner
(9.1M in cap)

To Columbus: David Krejci ($7,250,000) + Kevan Miller ($2,500,000) + 3rd Rd Pick
(9.75M in cap)

The Jackets cannot take on Krejci without moving a forward contract for expansion purposes. If Hartnell is willing to waive for Boston, he seems like a good fit for their group. For Boston, they get their top-4 LHD they need, a top-6 winger who can score 50 points, and a good forward prospect. For Columbus, they get their top-line center which they desperately need, get some value back for Johnson who will most likely be lost to expansion if kept, and fill out their third defensive pairing on the right side. The salaries going both ways are close to being even, too.


Boston's lineup:

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Hartnell-Spooner-Backes
Belesky-Nash-Hayes
Heinen-Moore-Acciari

Chara-Carlo
Krug-McQuaid
Johnson-Miller/Liles


Columbus' lineup

Jenner-Krejci-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Foligno
Calvert-Dubinsky-Anderson
Sedlak-Karlsson-Gagner

Werenski-Jones
Murray-Savard
Nutivaara-Miller/Prout

Both lineups can definitely compete


edit: also, playing around on capfriendly, neither team's outlook is adversely affected salary-wise by this move. Here is the Jackets' outlook, and Boston's outlook.

 

[mikeyp24]

Hartnell said outright he is finishing his career here and will not waive because leaving it open is stress he doesn't want or need he loves it here. That being said maybe we can do cam. JJ + Atkinson for Krejci+2nd maybe?

 

[Ksh42]

How about:

BOS: Trouba
WPG: Krug + 1st
&
BOS: Theodore + ?
ANA: Spooner + ?

Chara / Carlo
Theodore / Trouba
Liles / McQuaid

Or some combination of those boys

 

[bearcountry17]

I highly doubt boston moves Krejci for a package with guys like Jack Johnson and/or Scott Hartnell as the major pieces. More like Savard+Atkinson+ for Krejci+K.Miler/Mcquaid+.

Krejci is coming of a season in which he was top 15 in scoring for centers despite missing some time. A rough 1st couple weeks of the season, playing with new linemates while coming off offseason surgery doesn't mean they will move him for other teams undesirables.

 

[mikeyp24]

JJ and Hartnell are far from undesirables. Hartnell has produced top LW points while playing 2nd and 3rd line minutes for the past 3 years and JJ has been a stud 2nd pair D ever since they stopped requiring him to play rediculous minutes. He is in his wheel house right now. As long as you play him 2nd line minutes you are getting a great player.

Also I stated that Hartnell isn't going to be traded because he has a full no trade, we would likely look to move Atkinson instead. Also because Krejcis contract I don't think the jackets take back any extra contracts. JJ and Cam is fair. Maybe add a small pick or B prospect.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

I highly doubt boston moves Krejci for a package with guys like Jack Johnson and/or Scott Hartnell as the major pieces. More like Savard+Atkinson+ for Krejci+K.Miler/Mcquaid+.

Krejci is coming of a season in which he was top 15 in scoring for centers despite missing some time. A rough 1st couple weeks of the season, playing with new linemates while coming off offseason surgery doesn't mean they will move him for other teams undesirables.

Get off your high horse, buddy. In no way are Jack Johnson and Scott Hartnell considered "undesirables". I'll let the post below explain why as to not clutter up this thread.

JJ and Hartnell are far from undesirables. Hartnell has produced top LW points while playing 2nd and 3rd line minutes for the past 3 years and JJ has been a stud 2nd pair D ever since they stopped requiring him to play rediculous minutes. He is in his wheel house right now. As long as you play him 2nd line minutes you are getting a great player.

Also I stated that Hartnell isn't going to be traded because he has a full no trade, we would likely look to move Atkinson instead. Also because Krejcis contract I don't think the jackets take back any extra contracts. JJ and Cam is fair. Maybe add a small pick or B prospect.

Thanks for the clarifying point on JJ+Hartnell.

As for Cam, I would be more willing to move him if we had more NHL depth at RW....which we don't outside of him. Although, Cam+JJ for Krejci+pick could work if Milano is ready to consistently play a top-9 role.

 

[Ducks in a row]

BOS: Theodore + ?
ANA: Spooner + ?

We are not trading Theodore who doesn't have to be protected for expansion for Spooner who needs to be protected or can lose him. Also Theodore is still going to be on his ELC after this year while Spooner needs a new contract.

 

[bearcountry17]

Get off your high horse, buddy. In no way are Jack Johnson and Scott Hartnell considered "undesirables". I'll let the post below explain why as to not clutter up this thread.

No high horse here bud. Hartnell and Johnson are undesirable in a trade for top talent. They are the types of players who get traded for packages. Not the types of players you package together for an upgrade. I'm sure you would agree if the shoe were on the other foot.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Would Boston be interested in Savard instead of Johnson?

Savard + Hartnell + Bittner for Krejci + Miller + '18 2nd Rd Pick

then we can do Murray for Trouba to resolidify the 2nd pairing RHD


Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Hartnell-Backes-Spooner
Belesky-Nash-Hayes
Heinen-Moore-Acciari

Chara-Carlo
Krug-Savard
Liles-Miller/McQuaid

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Jenner-Krejci-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Foligno
Calvert-Dubinsky-Anderson
Sedlak-Karlsson-Gagner

Werenski-Jones
Johnson-Trouba
Nutivaara-Miller/Prout

 

[Pia8988]

You need to specify which Miller