GDT: 2/11/13 - "Southleast Reunion" Florida Panthers@Washington Capitals 7PM, FS-F/CSN-DC

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CHGoalie27

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tonights effort has been better than earlier

i think he's slowly getting the locker room back

Fine, he's gained the effort out of two more players tonight.

Still no improvement on gameplay, positioning, chemistry recognition...

Funny Versteeg was a beast, as a 2nd liner, on the SC team he was a major contributor on...cuz that's the line Q placed him on. Just saying.
 

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Fine, he's gained the effort out of two more players tonight.

Still no improvement on gameplay, positioning, chemistry recognition...

No improvement on talent either. It's tough to win when the players suck. Jesse Winchester is the best player on the team right now. :laugh:
 

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Here's a thought. It's not the players. It's not the coach. It's both. The difference is we know what both certain players and Dineen are capable of, while others aren't working out.

You can blame Dineen for bad line choices and sitting players or not. But I blame the players themselves when they don't bring effort. A coach shouldn't have to motivate you to try.
 

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Do the players not deserve the blame for that? It's not Dineen's fault that his best players are undersized and soft.

Okay, no one is saying this team is filled with all stars. People recognize the lack of talent on the roster, but the fact of the matter is that the coaching can be better and it is a hell of a lot easier to change the coach than it is to switch out half the roster.
 

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Here's a thought. It's not the players. It's not the coach. It's both. The difference is we know what both certain players and Dineen are capable of, while others aren't working out.

You can blame Dineen for bad line choices and sitting players or not. But I blame the players themselves when they don't bring effort. A coach shouldn't have to motivate you to try.

Martin, DeBoer, Dineen, etc., etc.

The coaches get blamed on here all the time yet they go on to have playoff seasons with other teams.

It's the players.

Everyone but zerog loved Dineen two years ago. If you asked most people on here what type of system Dineen is running, most probably don't even know what it is. The same applies to all coaches for that matter.

Teams with good players win. Teams with bad players don't.

It's not Dineen's fault that he has no top line players on his team. It's not Dineen's fault that his goaltenders can't make a big save. The only difference between this team and the playoff team of two years ago when people loved Dineen was that we used to get big saves. That's pretty much it.
 

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Okay, no one is saying this team is filled with all stars. People recognize the lack of talent on the roster, but the fact of the matter is that the coaching can be better and it is a hell of a lot easier to change the coach than it is to switch out half the roster.

That's true.

And then we can talk about firing the coach a year later when the talent is still the same.

I highly doubt that Dineen approves the style of play he's watched for the past year+. He doesn't tell Versteeg and all of these other idiots to backhand passes when they have clear opportunities at a shot. He probably doesn't tell all of the defensemen to miss the net. He probably doesn't tell his goalies to allow at least one soft goal per game.
 

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Barkov's screen in front in the first period almost turned into a goal..haven't seen it since.

"Bjugstad, Kopecky, Barkov- get yer ***** in front and screen that son of a *****!" -Not Jacques Dinoer.
 

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Barkov's screen in front in the first period almost turned into a goal..haven't seen it since.

"Bjugstad, Kopecky, Barkov- get yer ***** in front and screen that son of a *****!" -Not Jacques Dinoer.

It's probably not that simple.

You're the same guy who wanted MacIntyre on the PP when DeBoer was here.

If it were as simple as "hey get your ass to the front of the net" every team would do it on every shift. Do you think Dineen doesn't want his players going to the front of the net? What coach wouldn't want that?
 

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Here's a thought. It's not the players. It's not the coach. It's both. The difference is we know what both certain players and Dineen are capable of, while others aren't working out.

You can blame Dineen for bad line choices and sitting players or not. But I blame the players themselves when they don't bring effort. A coach shouldn't have to motivate you to try.

Thing is.. We all know that. Problem being the coach can be changed the players on the other hand
 

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Man, Not getting any breaks on either side of the ice. Oh well, the teams effort level is acceptable
 

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Martin, DeBoer, Dineen, etc., etc.

The coaches get blamed on here all the time yet they go on to have playoff seasons with other teams.

It's the players.

Everyone but zerog loved Dineen two years ago. If you asked most people on here what type of system Dineen is running, most probably don't even know what it is. The same applies to all coaches for that matter.

Teams with good players win. Teams with bad players don't.

It's not Dineen's fault that he has no top line players on his team. It's not Dineen's fault that his goaltenders can't make a big save. The only difference between this team and the playoff team of two years ago when people loved Dineen was that we used to get big saves. That's pretty much it.

At least that team had effort. That is the major difference. I've always hated Dineen's dump and chase / collapsing defense style. You can say we don't have enough talent to do anything else. Well it's not like it's working! You have to try something new out!
 

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I'm just gonna head to bed. Why waste sleep time on this craptastic ****
 
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