Speculation: 1st (Top 15) + Willander/Dpetey for ??? (Center)

So you're looking at teams with excess depth of top 6 centers/potential ones. So you're looking at Buffalo, Columbus, the Ducks, San Jose..

Buffalo is in no position to trade out young centers

Right now their center spine is
Thompson-Norris-mcleod(rfa)- Krebs

ELCs/ prospects are Kulich, Ostlund, Hekenius, and Kozak ( bottom 6 C). They coukd add one in the draft.

Only Krebs or kozak would be moved for a 2st+. The others will cost more right now to move them.


Won't even bother looking up prospects cause nobody trades top 6 center prospects who are NHL ready for futures.

most teams won't move young center prospects unless they have a situation like hie pittsburgh traded Staal when his ELC was done with them already having Crosby and malkin

Toronto had similar situation with Kadri after having AM and JT

Both situations they had top 3 under team control for 5+ yrs

You might see a team thst has a near 30 2C, a mid 20s 2C, and a prosprvt/ELC starting 3C. They aren't moving thr prospect because he woukd replace someone in the top 2 in 3+ yrs
 
That's legit brilliant actually, I wonder if a team like Nashville who would HATE to rebuild again next season, would do 3rd/4th overall for Willander, considering the draft is pretty weak this year.

And they are looking to compete quickly not interested in doing a rebuild.
Willander would step right in for them in the top 4 Role.
Lol they wouldn't consider it. Willander is a solid prospect but this draft years top 4 is not weak at all. All 4 of Schaefer, Misa, Hagens, and Martone could easily, and probably will be be day 1 NHLers. Willander doesn't hold a candle in value compared to them.

Not to mention Nashville's #1 need is a top 6 center.
 
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If I am VAN, Willander, Lekkerimaki and D-EP all stay, and I try for something like:

'25 1st <--> Sillinger+ / Hayton+ / Rossi+ (small +, like a mid-round pick or a depth roster player, especially D) - compromise on immediate, guaranteed impact as a 2C to roll the dice a bit and lower the cost

Dream targets would be Pinto, McTavish, Zegras (depending on cost), and Kulich, but they would all likely cost one of the above young players...

Or, very unlikely and possibly inadvisable - offer sheet on Mavrik Bourque? (RH, but is he likely to pan out as a C?)
 
Lol they wouldn't consider it. Willander is a solid prospect but this draft years top 4 is not weak at all. All 4 of Schaefer, Misa, Hagens, and Martone could easily, and probably will be be day 1 NHLers. Willander doesn't hold a candle in value compared to them.

Not to mention Nashville's #1 need is a top 6 center.
That’s actually really good point about Nashville needing a top six centre, for some reason, I thought they were decent up the middle.
 
Yousre not going to get what you want by offering a mid 1st in a weak draft and prospects for a provven young center.
We’re not talking about generic prospects here.

And the draft is weak I do agree, but I’m pretty sure the drop off is at 16.
 
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Habs only real hole going into next season is 2C so expect a bidding war. We've got two firsts and prospects out the wahoo mcdaniel at every position. I would have said we'd be patient and wait for Hage but making the playoffs, I can't see Hughes not addressing the only hole. Fully expect Reinbacher to plug the RD hole next season and be with Hutson by March.

That being said Habs have been careful about who they "add to the locker room" so you can probably pay less for a guy with character flaws without worry.

Vancouver might just be second place in terms of assets for a 2C, but there's also about ten other teams who need the same thing.

It's awkward because even though the playoff races are not even remotely close (I've never seen 90% of spots clinched with 5 games left before), it seems like no one is rebuilding. Boston might be the only one with assets to sell and obviously they have zero center depth. Everyone from Detroit to Philly in the standings will be trying to make the playoffs next year.

In the west it's the same deal, maybe only Nashville. Obviously you don't want O'Reilly/Stamkos for premium assets.

I've never seen so many bad clubs that aren't trying to tank before.

So you're looking at teams with excess depth of top 6 centers/potential ones. So you're looking at Buffalo, Columbus, the Ducks, San Jose.. pretty much all the bad teams who are several years into their rebuild. Except most of these teams just move the excess centers to wing.

So who is a free agent and a top 6 center? Marner who has mostly played wing, Tavares, Duchene, Granlund, maybe Donato, maybe the shell of Brock Nelson, maybe Sam Bennett the end.

Moral of the story? Draft centers.

Anyways tangible list of potentially available centers, for the right price, league wide (don't care if you're a fan of one of these teams and disagree).

1C: Marner, Tage Thompson (only for insane overpay + potential much younger top 6 C back)
2C; Ryan Strome, Trevor Zegras (if you think he's not a winger), Pavel Zacha, Elias Lindholm, probably Middlestats again, Nazem Kadri if Calgary retool, Ryan Donato, one of Columbus' many centers (Moneyhands, Sillinger, Jenner), Mavrik Bourque, RNH, Sam Bennett, skeletons of Nashville, Bo Horvat, DJ Zibanejad, broken back Sean Couturier, maybe Malkin (no way Crosby is moving though), Yanni Gourde, one of Nick Schmaltz (barely takes draws) or Barrett Hayton. Tomas Hertl or William Karlsson (vegas aint loyal), that's about it.

Won't even bother looking up prospects cause nobody trades top 6 center prospects who are NHL ready for futures.
I like this post, lots of effort went into it.
The name I just keep going back to is Sam to Bennett.

I understand apparently his agent said he does not want to play in Canada again, but I just feel if you drop a bag of money and I mean an absolute bag of money that rips through the floor, he would come here.

Is that bag 8 million, 9 million?
 
If I am VAN, Willander, Lekkerimaki and D-EP all stay, and I try for something like:

'25 1st <--> Sillinger+ / Hayton+ / Rossi+ (small +, like a mid-round pick or a depth roster player, especially D) - compromise on immediate, guaranteed impact as a 2C to roll the dice a bit and lower the cost

Dream targets would be Pinto, McTavish, Zegras (depending on cost), and Kulich, but they would all likely cost one of the above young players...

Or, very unlikely and possibly inadvisable - offer sheet on Mavrik Bourque? (RH, but is he likely to pan out as a C?)
Rossi >> 1st 13-16
 
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If I am VAN, Willander, Lekkerimaki and D-EP all stay, and I try for something like:

'25 1st <--> Sillinger+ / Hayton+ / Rossi+ (small +, like a mid-round pick or a depth roster player, especially D) - compromise on immediate, guaranteed impact as a 2C to roll the dice a bit and lower the cost

Dream targets would be Pinto, McTavish, Zegras (depending on cost), and Kulich, but they would all likely cost one of the above young players...

Or, very unlikely and possibly inadvisable - offer sheet on Mavrik Bourque? (RH, but is he likely to pan out as a C?)
Wild aren't trading Rossi for a late 1st. They traded their 1st because they don't like this draft. Rossi has more value than a late 1st and some mid round pick and wild aren't taking on depth roster player or any Dman as they have no need for one
 
The last thread was locked due to false advertising! I blame @Zirakzigil for that one.

Welcome to your new and improved thread, featuring some good old-fashioned speculation!
The Canucks are reportedly targeting a young 2C via trade.
Rumored assets that could potentially be available include their 2025 1st (top 15), 2nd, and San Jose’s 3rd-round pick.
When it comes to more significant pieces, they might reluctantly consider dangling Tom Willander or D-Petey (Elias Pettersson 2.0) in a Package for a more significant Center with pedigree.

Which center should they target?
What might realistically be available?


Feel free to drop your trade proposals and thoughts, cheers!


Magic beans for something good. Your wording still does not help. 15th is 15th. Advertising it as top 15 suggests anywhere from 1 to 15. Canucks have very low odds to raise in the draft.
 
Nope. Wild are the last team that need any Dman. If Rossi gets traded, it's to get another C who's better.
Ok, Rossi would probably command the 1st, or perhaps 1st+ just in straight value, but not Lekkerimaki/Willander, that would be too much for VAN (there should be better options than pulling the trigger on any of their NHL ready top prospects).

As for the fit, I don't think it's out of the question, as long as the trade is fair, because MIN can always flip the assets in another deal. Say the C you want would need a 1st++ back, and they prefer other + assets than Rossi. Depends on a lot of things, obviously, but a scenario like this could play out.

Or Rossi could go in the C deal, and the receiving team could then do Rossi to VAN for 1st+
 
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Ok, Rossi would probably command the 1st, or perhaps 1st+ just in straight value, but not Lekkerimaki/Willander, that would be too much for VAN (there should be better options than pulling the trigger on any of their NHL ready top prospects).

As for the fit, I don't think it's out of the question, as long as the trade is fair, because MIN can always flip the assets in another deal. Say the C you want would need a 1st++ back, and they prefer other + assets than Rossi. Depends on a lot of things, obviously, but a scenario like this could play out.

Or Rossi could go in the C deal, and the receiving team could then do Rossi to VAN for 1st+
Wild would trade Rossi as a part of large deal for a Top C or for Top C prospect, not a Dman. Wild have no reason to take on any Dman in the hope of flipping. Don't get why People think Canucks would't give their top prospects for a Top C.


The only part we can agree on is the last part
 
Pettersson + Hoglander for Barzal+1st

NYI 1st + Van 1st for Rossi +

Barzal and Rossi become your new 1/2C with Chytil as your 3C. Chytil could move up and they could shift Barzal to wing.
 
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