1st overalls performance vs. expectations 2004-2024

[MadLuke]

Crosby is a universally accepted top 10 player of all time. If that is not living up to the hype then nothimg can be.

Reading the message just above, what would you say Crosby hype was around 2005, after his last junior season run and scoring 6 goals in 6 games at the WJC as a pre-draft player that year while a lot of "old" junior star was there because of the lock-out ?

Would you agree that 2 Art Ross was not living up to the hype ?
Would you agree that the level of separation under a full season (not per game) with the best competition was under the level of hype ?

2 Rocket was maybe a bit over-performed, a bet that he would never score 50 was made and reasonable, the career as a whole in some way was a bit over-performing, 4 cups finals, 3 win in that salary cap era, I imagine Vegas line could have been 2.5 cup, 3.5 finals easily, it is at the minimum a mix bag in term of living up to the hype.

+200 playoff points, also, I think that matching expectation for his career nicely.

Obviously anything about Gretzky was unreasonable and maybe false expectation of people pushing copies, but Esposito-Jagr-Lemieux 5-6 Art Ross career was not, that definetly was the expectation and McDavid just did it.

One could say without injury that what Crosby would have close, winning 2013 for sure and one or 2 more in the 11-12 seasons... but he did not.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Reading the message just above, what would you say Crosby hype was around 2005, after his last junior season run and scoring 6 goals in 6 games at the WJC as a pre-draft player that year while a lot of "old" junior star was there because of the lock-out ?

Would you agree that 2 Art Ross was not living up to the hype ?
Would you agree that the level of separation under a full season (not per game) with the best competition was under the level of hype ?

2 Rocket was maybe a bit over-performed, a bet that he would never score 50 was made and reasonable, the career as a whole in some way was a bit over-performing, 4 cups finals, 3 win in that salary cap era, I imagine Vegas line could have been 2.5 cup, 3.5 finals easily, it is at the minimum a mix bag in term of living up to the hype.

+200 playoff points, also, I think that matching expectation for his career nicely.

Obviously anything about Gretzky was unreasonable and maybe false expectation of people pushing copies, but Esposito-Jagr-Lemieux 5-6 Art Ross career was not, that definetly was the expectation and McDavid just did it.

One could say without injury that what Crosby would have close, winning 2013 for sure and one or 2 more in the 11-12 seasons... but he did not.

Its called injuries. Its not hard to grasp

 

[MadLuke]

Its called injuries. Its not hard to grasp

Yes, and is it possible for them to make someone performance end up under the expected performance ?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Yes, and is it possible for them to make someone performance end up under the expected performance ?

Not really. Not to me at least

 

[Michael Farkas]

I can't believe those Jack Hughes comments are just gonna slide by...they're so bad that it's not worth it I guess...?

 

[Ishdul]

Yes, and is it possible for them to make someone performance end up under the expected performance ?

I guess, but in that case are we going to say Lemieux underperformed expectations if you thought he was going to break Gretzky's records? Or even Orr, if you expected 20 years of dominance instead of 9?

I think Gretzky was more like a best case scenario "everything goes right" prediction, not the median expectation. I could see people thinking about that. If you're rating him as the 5th best player of all time I find it hard to buy that he's actually below your expected performance.

 

[MadLuke]

I guess, but in that case are we going to say Lemieux underperformed expectations if you thought he was going to break Gretzky's records? Or even Orr, if you expected 20 years of dominance instead of 9?

I have less grasp on Lemieux or Orr expectation as prospect, in 1983-84 the idea to break Gretzky record would have been different (for one it would have been in the high 80s scoring environment) and they were not 2857 points, 9xharts, 10xRoss, etc... yet

Lemieux underperforming would be different (a bit of a reverse Crosby), peak Lemieux matched expectation, career I can see people that had higher one at some point.

I think Gretzky was more like a best case scenario "everything goes right" prediction, not the median expectation. I could see people thinking about that.

Yes or at least or to imagine anyone thinking that it was more than that seriously, but we are talking 2 Art Ross, Hart, not Crosby winning "only" 6-7 of them and coming short of Gretzky. There is a lot of room between Crosby career and Gretzky, to be possible for the realistic expectation to never have been seriously matching Gretzky career and still for him to have felt short of them.

If they did not expect him to break the top 4 people that considering him #5, by definition do not find that he underperformed for sure.