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Proposal: 1st OA for 2nd OA

Juxtaposer said:
If there is any wavering at all, any hesitancy from the Isles to take Schaefer at #1, Grier should simply pay the cost to move up (or have an agreement that the Isles will take a forward) so long as it's not sacrificing a different core piece.

For the Isles, I think Misa could make sense as I highly doubt they're bad enough to pick top-5 next year and legit #1 centers are very hard to find outside the top-5. Top pairing defensemen, on the other hand, can be found littered through the 5-60 range in the draft regularly. He'd be a ridiculously good fit for Barzal too, IMO.
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Consider this: we already traded one of our top four goal scorers. Another is a UFA who we shouldn’t sign, and a third has one year left on his deal - if we keep him through the offseason he won’t make it past the trade deadline.

There’s a solid shot we end up starting this year -75 goals from last year with no real options to take their places. Even if we gain 50 of those back, it would put us on pace to be last in the league in goals.

We’ll be plenty bad next season.
 
Eklund is too steep of a price to move up a spot but there are a lot of other Shark assets that could work that have been mentioned .

dallas 1st + maybe a young player like Graf
 
The most I would do pick wise is all four first and second round picks in this draft to move up one spot. If there are guys the Isles want off the Sharks that isn’t Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Dickinson, and Askarov, I’d be open to it but it would be pushing it. I don’t know why the Isles would pass on the top pick though. It seems tougher to imagine a new GM making any move other than selecting their guy 1OA.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
The most I would do pick wise is all four first and second round picks in this draft to move up one spot. If there are guys the Isles want off the Sharks that isn’t Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Dickinson, and Askarov, I’d be open to it but it would be pushing it. I don’t know why the Isles would pass on the top pick though. It seems tougher to imagine a new GM making any move other than selecting their guy 1OA.
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I don’t think it’s so much the Isles wanting to trade down and it’s more like a team in the 2/3/4 spot is in love with a specific player (Misa or Schaefer most likely) and doesn’t want to lose out. The deal would have to blow the Isles away in order for them to move down and might be an overpayment by said team in that case. There’s no actual GM currently and Lou isn’t allowed to make any hockey decisions so no one knows what’s actually going on. All we know is that Darche has an interview coming up and then who knows what from there.
 
miscs75 said:
I don’t think it’s so much the Isles wanting to trade down and it’s more like a team in the 2/3/4 spot is in love with a specific player (Misa or Schaefer most likely) and doesn’t want to lose out. The deal would have to blow the Isles away in order for them to move down and might be an overpayment by said team in that case. There’s no actual GM currently and Lou isn’t allowed to make any hockey decisions so no one knows what’s actually going on. All we know is that Darche has an interview coming up and then who knows what from there.
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I think the Sharks would be fine with the Isles keeping the pick if it’s taking someone other than Schaefer. I’d want the Isles to tell the Sharks the price to ensure it’s Schaefer to San Jose. If it can be something that doesn’t involve Askarov, Celebrini, Dickinson, Eklund, and Smith, I’d be open to it. Hopefully the Isles will be willing to make a deal but getting Misa as a consolation prize is still an amazing result for them.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
I think the Sharks would be fine with the Isles keeping the pick if it’s taking someone other than Schaefer. I’d want the Isles to tell the Sharks the price to ensure it’s Schaefer to San Jose. If it can be something that doesn’t involve Askarov, Celebrini, Dickinson, Eklund, and Smith, I’d be open to it. Hopefully the Isles will be willing to make a deal but getting Misa as a consolation prize is still an amazing result for them.
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I don’t even know what prospects you guys have in SJ but personally I really don’t want a soft forward or 5’9 defenseman. Those types never work out well. Just from looking at your draft history, Chernyshov would probably be the main target in all honesty.

Ideally if the Isles could magically include Engvall or Duclair heading the other direction (highly unlikely) that would be amazing but it’s doubtful.
 
miscs75 said:
I don’t even know what prospects you guys have in SJ but personally I really don’t want a soft forward or 5’9 defenseman. Those types never work out well. Just from looking at your draft history, Chernyshov would probably be the main target in all honesty.

Ideally if the Isles could magically include Engvall or Duclair heading the other direction (highly unlikely) that would be amazing but it’s doubtful.
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Chernyshov would be fine to have in the deal. They also have Musty as a former 1st rounder. I don’t see why Duclair or Engvall couldn’t be included. Sharks are the top team on the waiver order. Both players can be waived. Duclair probably doesn’t need much convincing. Engvall probably would.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Chernyshov would be fine to have in the deal. They also have Musty as a former 1st rounder. I don’t see why Duclair or Engvall couldn’t be included. Sharks are the top team on the waiver order. Both players can be waived. Duclair probably doesn’t need much convincing. Engvall probably would.
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The Isles need to find a way to offload some of the Lou contracts and reshape the roster even if it’s just swapping one of those for an expiring player. When it comes to the Isles prospect pool, there’s a huge drop off after a few players so ultimately adding in more higher end talent is the goal. Just after watching Ruslan Iskhakov last season (23-24) play 2 games and look like a child, undersized forwards really don’t cut it in the league. Same with watching Sebastian Aho on the blueline get pushed around by guys close to his size.
 
miscs75 said:
The Isles need to find a way to offload some of the Lou contracts and reshape the roster even if it’s just swapping one of those for an expiring player. When it comes to the Isles prospect pool, there’s a huge drop off after a few players so ultimately adding in more higher end talent is the goal. Just after watching Ruslan Iskhakov last season (23-24) play 2 games and look like a child, undersized forwards really don’t cut it in the league. Same with watching Sebastian Aho on the blueline get pushed around by guys close to his size.
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Sharks have plenty of forward prospects with size. Bystedt is 6’2. Graf is 6’1. Chernyshov is 6’3. Musty is 6’2. Halttunen is 6’4. There’s probably not a lot that might interest you from a size perspective on defense except for Mukhamadullin. That one would hurt but Schaefer is probably worth the price.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Sharks have plenty of forward prospects with size. Bystedt is 6’2. Graf is 6’1. Chernyshov is 6’3. Musty is 6’2. Halttunen is 6’4. There’s probably not a lot that might interest you from a size perspective on defense except for Mukhamadullin. That one would hurt but Schaefer is probably worth the price.
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Personally I’d rather go forward than defense in terms of prospect. Ideally someone who’s tracking towards the top 6 instead of a potential 3rd line 30 point guy.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Chernyshov would be fine to have in the deal. They also have Musty as a former 1st rounder. I don’t see why Duclair or Engvall couldn’t be included. Sharks are the top team on the waiver order. Both players can be waived. Duclair probably doesn’t need much convincing. Engvall probably would.
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I'd trade the pick and Duclair for your pick, Chernyshov and the second
 
If the Isles are trading down, a 2026 2nd is an absolute must in the deal, Lou traded his years ago so Chicago could take Bailey's $$ off our cap. So getting a high second back is critical.
 
Perfect world now for me would be Islanders getting SJ's 2026 pick from the Oilers and Chicago's 2026 Pick from the Blackhawks to move from 1 to 3, also let SJ and Chicago decide amongst themselves who wants to eat up Duclairs 3 years left on his contract

If the Islanders can go into UFA season with 4 2026 First rounders(albeit 3 of them most likely very late ones) that would be a huge trading chip for us to use just in case some players become available.
 
Strickland said:
If the Isles are trading down, a 2026 2nd is an absolute must in the deal, Lou traded his years ago so Chicago could take Bailey's $$ off our cap. So getting a high second back is critical.
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In addition to the additional 1st or quality prospect? I’d let Chicago keep the 2nd if they’re willing to take one of Engvall or Duclair in return instead.
 
Mrfenn92 said:
Don’t need those gents
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The 2026 2nd isn’t a must either if the 1st is a 2026 instead of a 2025 one. That would put the Isles at 3 1sts in 2026 for a much deeper draft class. Essentially what I’d love for them to do is have the ability to swap 2026 1sts with Chicago’s own thus giving the Isles the best chance at moving up in the following draft and potentially landing McKenna.
 
miscs75 said:
The 2026 2nd isn’t a must either if the 1st is a 2026 instead of a 2025 one. That would put the Isles at 3 1sts in 2026 for a much deeper draft class. Essentially what I’d love for them to do is have the ability to swap 2026 1sts with Chicago’s own thus giving the Isles the best chance at moving up in the following draft and potentially landing McKenna.
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Understood don’t see Chicago giving that option at all.
 
Mrfenn92 said:
Understood don’t see Chicago giving that option at all.
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Same thing I said with San Jose. They need to give the Isles an offer that makes sense for them to move down. The pick swap, a 2026 2nd and some filler prospect isn’t even close to cutting it. San Jose offering Chernyshov blows that away. Essentially Chicago would have to at minimum offer a comparable prospect. My only stipulations were someone who isn’t undersized and preferable a high motor forward who’s tracking to being a useful player not for the bottom 6.
 
miscs75 said:
Same thing I said with San Jose. They need to give the Isles an offer that makes sense for them to move down. The pick swap, a 2026 2nd and some filler prospect isn’t even close to cutting it. San Jose offering Chernyshov blows that away. Essentially Chicago would have to at minimum offer a comparable prospect. My only stipulations were someone who isn’t undersized and preferable a high motor forward who’s tracking to being a useful player not for the bottom 6.
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I understand what you’re saying but they aren’t giving up a chance at McKenna.
I Never offered a second or a filler prospect. Just simply stated they aren’t offering a swap next year.
 
Mrfenn92 said:
I understand what you’re saying but they aren’t giving up a chance at McKenna.
I Never offered a second or a filler prospect. Just simply stated they aren’t offering a swap next year.
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I was just saying the 2nd isn’t really of importance if Chicago was willing to take on one of the Isles cap dump forwards in the swap. Filler prospects are just all too common when it comes to deals on here. Personally I’d Chicago is including prospects: I want Moore or Boisvert in terms of forwards personally.
 
miscs75 said:
In addition to the additional 1st or quality prospect? I’d let Chicago keep the 2nd if they’re willing to take one of Engvall or Duclair in return instead.
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Oh there needs to be more, obviously. If you're dealing with SJ, something like the Dallas 1st this year and their 2026 second to move from 1 to 2 is probably right in terms of value. Push comes to shove, I take the #33 instead of the Dallas 1st this year. Don't really care to add prospects, they're not offering any of their good ones in a deal like this.
 
miscs75 said:
The 2026 2nd isn’t a must either if the 1st is a 2026 instead of a 2025 one. That would put the Isles at 3 1sts in 2026 for a much deeper draft class. Essentially what I’d love for them to do is have the ability to swap 2026 1sts with Chicago’s own thus giving the Isles the best chance at moving up in the following draft and potentially landing McKenna.
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No one is trading you a 2026 first to move up a few spots in this draft.
 
Strickland said:
Oh there needs to be more, obviously. If you're dealing with SJ, something like the Dallas 1st this year and their 2026 second to move from 1 to 2 is probably right in terms of value. Push comes to shove, I take the #33 instead of the Dallas 1st this year. Don't really care to add prospects, they're not offering any of their good ones in a deal like this.
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ideally if it includes the 2nd, personally I want a stipulation of the highest of the 2nd in 2026 in addition to the Dallas 1st.
 
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