GDT: #19 | Avalanche at Flyers | Monday, November 18, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 93.3 FM

[deadhead]

I would honestly not put much stake in what team does down 0:3, if you cannot control the game yourself and wake up before putting yourself in such hole, you are not a play-off team. Colorado were nothing special in first 2 periods and Flyers did nothing with it.

Playoffs? We're talking playoffs?

 

[bleachdrinker]

How did Grans look in his call-up? Couldn’t watch last night but saw he had an assist.

 

[flyersnorth]

I would honestly not put much stake in what team does down 0:3, if you cannot control the game yourself and wake up before putting yourself in such hole, you are not a play-off team. Colorado were nothing special in first 2 periods and Flyers did nothing with it.

I think we already know this isn't a playoff team.

They were a lot more fun last year. This year they're getting killed at even strength... honestly feels like the other team is on a perpetual power play.

Part of it is the opponent. Most teams in the NHL are better than the Flyers.

Part of it is self-inflicted. A lot of unforced errors and panic plays.

 

[ellja3]

Playoffs? We're talking playoffs?

I was talking in general sense. Please, don't call mental facilities and snitch on me.

Agreed w @flyersnorth - we're visibly less fun to watch also, MM aside.

 

[ellja3]

I think we already know this isn't a playoff team.

They were a lot more fun last year. This year they're getting killed at even strength... honestly feels like the other team is on a perpetual power play.

Part of it is the opponent. Most teams in the NHL are better than the Flyers.

Part of it is self-inflicted. A lot of unforced errors and panic plays.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858877722111459367

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Playoffs? We're talking playoffs?

Yes as the CO-GM said that is the goal going forward.

 

[flyersnorth]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858877722111459367

That's rough.

It also very much feels that way when watching the games. I feel like Tippett is the beneficiary of his linemates, otherwise he'd be sub-50% with the other schlubs.

 

[ellja3]

That's rough.

It also very much feels that way when watching the games. I feel like Tippett is the beneficiary of his linemates, otherwise he'd be sub-50% with the other schlubs.

Lucky goal here and there doesn't convince me at all; nor do these metrics. He is simply absolutely not looking good in the ice thus far.

 

[deadhead]

They've played better the last half dozen games, though Colorado and Carolina back to back with half the defense out isn't recommended.

But this is the same team pretty much that finished the last 20 games strong last season (problem was goalie play) and were a top 10 possession team (finishing was another matter).
Poehling (13:35), Laughton (12:18), Frost (12:16), Couts (11:42) were the centers.
York - Sanheim, Zamula - Johnson, Ginning - Attard [Drysdale 7g]

Weird.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

They've played better the last half dozen games, though Colorado and Carolina back to back with half the defense out isn't recommended.

But this is the same team pretty much that finished the last 20 games strong last season (problem was goalie play) and were a top 10 possession team (finishing was another matter).
Poehling (13:35), Laughton (12:18), Frost (12:16), Couts (11:42) were the centers.
York - Sanheim, Zamula - Johnson, Ginning - Attard [Drysdale 7g]

Weird.

Bottom line is they were and still are a bottom third team. That isn't changing any time soon.

On a side note, what disgrace the Sabres, Wings, and Sens are currently. On paper they should be much better imo.

 

[FLYguy3911]

We're getting top pair Grans next game aren't we?

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

"cuz this isnt the MM show..."

signed Torts..

Does Torts want MM to score goals or be a none factor signed Fan of MM

 

[renberg]

The last 10 minutes were fun. The previous 50, not so much.

The Avs definitely have some fast players, but they also just play fast, aggressive, and **confident** hockey.


Also Sanheim was everywhere.

I've been told that the Flyers were being taught to play the game the right way. The Avs seem to have it down-fast aggressive and confident hockey. The Flyers not so much.
The first two periods, especially the first was a horrible example of hockey. TO after TO after TO with an inability to get the puck out of their own end and create offense. Tentative hockey with no set schemes of play to rely on to move the puck out of the DZ. If that is playing hockey the right way, it's lost on me. Most of the players look afraid to use their skills lest they get benched for being creative. It comes down to the coaching and has for the last two plus seasons. Not good.

 

[Appleyard]

I've been told that the Flyers were being taught to play the game the right way. The Avs seem to have it down-fast aggressive and confident hockey. The Flyers not so much.
The first two periods, especially the first was a horrible example of hockey. TO after TO after TO with an inability to get the puck out of their own end and create offense. Tentative hockey with no set schemes of play to rely on to move the puck out of the DZ. If that is playing hockey the right way, it's lost on me. Most of the players look afraid to use their skills lest they get benched for being creative. It comes down to the coaching and has for the last two plus seasons. Not good.

Teams are going to a narrower 1-2-2 or 2-1-2 against them up the strongside and when that happens they have basically no other exit strategy and cant create rushes. As their primary breakout strategy is basically strongside tips and passes with puck support... they sometimes use like a "slash-across" their too, but they have basically no weakside exit options with the way they play DZ... that is fine so long as execute well and quickly, but they dont this season.

That combined with they being more passive (going 1-1-3 more often, when 1-2-2 was what worked all last year, as well as getting away from man in DZ) means that the systems are aligning less and less.

If you dont play aggressive in NZ and hard man in DZ when system designed around that? Then it is harder to turn pucks over. If you dont turn pucks over. You get caught in DZ more. If you get caught in DZ more? More time chasing play. More time chasing play? More times with players spread across DZ? That, plus less legs for rushes? More time needed to set up and exit zone... Resulting in poor transition.

Why? I think not all by design. I think that injuries and line juggling mean that guys are not on same page. And team seemingly is less confident at 5v5 and sometimes just collapse early. But a lot of the time they are just not on the same page, especially in transition right now.

EDIT: Aha, you literally just replied to my other post along same lines in other thread seconds after posted this.

 

[deadhead]

I've been told that the Flyers were being taught to play the game the right way. The Avs seem to have it down-fast aggressive and confident hockey. The Flyers not so much.
The first two periods, especially the first was a horrible example of hockey. TO after TO after TO with an inability to get the puck out of their own end and create offense. Tentative hockey with no set schemes of play to rely on to move the puck out of the DZ. If that is playing hockey the right way, it's lost on me. Most of the players look afraid to use their skills lest they get benched for being creative. It comes down to the coaching and has for the last two plus seasons. Not good.

I think your script is wrong.

It's not that they're afraid to use their skills, it's that they struggle to move the puck against fast, aggressive forechecking teams like Colorado and Carolina. The windows are smaller, and you have to be faster at making decisions. Some of that comes with experience, some with talent.

So they get trapped in the D-zone, I mean look at the defense last night, not exactly the group you want to get the puck quickly out of the D-zone. They got better as the game progressed, and were more aggressive challenging the puck at the blue line instead of collapsing around the net.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I think your script is wrong.

It's not that they're afraid to use their skills, it's that they struggle to move the puck against fast, aggressive forechecking teams like Colorado and Carolina. The windows are smaller, and you have to be faster at making decisions. Some of that comes with experience, some with talent.

So they get trapped in the D-zone, I mean look at the defense last night, not exactly the group you want to get the puck quickly out of the D-zone. They got better as the game progressed, and were more aggressive challenging the puck at the blue line instead of collapsing around the net.

It is a talent issue. Flyers lack it severly.

 

[deadhead]

 

[Fight4yourRight]

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This stat card did not meet the eye test.

 

[ellja3]

It is a talent issue. Flyers lack it severly.

Yes, I was about to say - WHAT skills are they afraid to use?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Does Torts want MM to score goals or be a none factor signed Fan of MM

he doesnt want to be outshined by some young upstart...

he said early on there would be things MM wouldnt get away with here..

youll notice he hasnt tried his michigan move except 1 time in preseason..

 

[deadhead]

Yes, I was about to say - WHAT skills are they afraid to use?

The wings as a group are probably above average.

But just look at the Couts line v the other lines.
73 minutes (SSS), xGF 63.41%, HDCF 66.22%
Farabee - Laughton - Brink
66 minutes xGF 42.25%, HDCF 50.33%

Poehling, Laughton, Frost and Cates are not top 6 centers.
Frost was a solid 3C/marginal 2C but this season he's been awful.
The others are basically 4C types.

Add a couple solid centers and this forward group would look much better.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

he doesnt want to be outshined by some young upstart...

he said early on there would be things MM wouldnt get away with here..

youll notice he hasnt tried his michigan move except 1 time in preseason..

He has attempted several Michigans but those were more early on. Michkov definitely is dumping in a lot more since his scratches

 

[Curufinwe]

The last 10 minutes were fun. The previous 50, not so much.

The Avs definitely have some fast players, but they also just play fast, aggressive, and **confident** hockey.

The Flyers do none of those things. They collectively process the game slow, react slow, and play on the perimeter. But last season, they seemed to process the game quicker. What changed?

Interesting thing I just realized this morning - MacKinnon didn't become a PPG player until his 5th NHL season. Of course, the Avs teams were not great, but only one year were they truly bad (22 wins). The other seasons they were playoff bubble.

Probably a similar pathway for Michkov. He will do well and put up points, but it will probably take him 5+ years to put it all together and become the dominant player that you notice on every shift. The one who controls play.

Also Sanheim was everywhere.

And the Avs broadcast crew was absolutely awful.

There was discussion in 2017 about whether we should trade the 2nd overall pick for MacKinnon. I can’t even recall if I was pro or con.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

There was discussion in 2017 about whether we should trade the 2nd overall pick for MacKinnon. I can’t even recall if I was pro or con.

If I had to guess, people thought the 2nd overall was worth more than MacKinnon.

 

[Curufinwe]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858877722111459367

Crazy that the first few weeks of the season saw Couturier demoted to 4LW, and there was a lot of talk about him being cooked.