18/19 MGMT Thread XI. We're totally rebuilding! LalalaIcan'thearyoulalala...!

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He'll be credited for failing his own goals (playoff team - elite in line with the Sedin contract) and getting high picks for it.

I remember my fear when he first took over, that the retool would have the team in no mans land not good enough for playoffs and not bad enough for high picks, and boy was I wrong, his playoff dream team was bad enough to secure a number of very high picks, thankfully it looks like they're 2 for 4 in the top 10.

"Building" the core group is hilarious. He's not building anything. He's adding a top of the draft piece onto a terrible roster (that he's actually built) annually. Same thing Florida, Edmonton, and Buffalo have done for a while now. Is Tim Murray still getting credit for Reinhart and Eichel in Buffalo?

Not all GM’s can pick back to back Calder finalists..and who knows..QH might be one as well.

Benning picked the best player in the 2017 draft..a franchise player.

You’re saying they’re the new Oilers (what on original thought in this thread)..I say different..We will find out next season won’t we..

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He'll be credited for failing his own goals (playoff team - elite in line with the Sedin contract) and getting high picks for it.

I remember my fear when he first took over, that the retool would have the team in no mans land not good enough for playoffs and not bad enough for high picks, and boy was I wrong, his playoff dream team was bad enough to secure a number of very high picks, thankfully it looks like they're 2 for 4 in the top 10.

"Building" the core group is hilarious. He's not building anything. He's adding a top of the draft piece onto a terrible roster (that he's actually built) annually. Same thing Florida, Edmonton, and Buffalo have done for a while now. Is Tim Murray still getting credit for Reinhart and Eichel in Buffalo?

Not all GM’s can pick back to back Calder finalists..and who knows..QH might be one as well.

Benning picked the best player in the 2017 draft..a franchise player.

You’re saying they’re the new Oilers (what on original thought in this thread)..I say different..We will find out next season won’t we..

 

[y2kcanucks]

Sounds to me like they’re hiring a President..and what makes you think that a new President is going to fire Benning on the spot?..I’m guessing that Benning is respected amongst ‘hockey people ‘

And why fire a guy that has just drafted two consecutive Calder finalists (without winning the lottery)..?

Although I could see a new guy putting the brakes on JB on July 1st.

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part. I’m going to enjoy the day Benning is fired.

What makes you think the Aquilini’s are going to pay a lot of money for Lombardi to come here and he’s going to keep status quo? And why keep a guy around who isn’t rebuilding, and instead pushed for the playoffs every year and ended up with the worst team in the league over a 4 year period?

I also noticed that Lombardi and Hextall seem to be tight. Hextall worked under Lombardi as an assistant GM in LA since 2006, and then eventually went back to Philly as GM in 2014. Then, when Lombardi was let go in LA he took a job with Hextall in Philly. This is just me speculating, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Lombardi is hired here that Hextall follows. If Lombardi is hired solely as president, then I would expect Benning to be fired and Hextall hired as GM.

 

[tyhee]

Thoughts on Lombardi anyone?

Those people who now criticize management and coaches for not playing the kids enough and blocking their way with veteran signings would hate Lombardi, based on his past performance.

I'm fine with developing the kids slowly, but have misgivings about the big contracts with term for players leaving their prime years that Lombardi has given out or traded for in the past.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Not all GM’s can pick back to back Calder finalists..and who knows..QH might be one as well.

Benning picked the best player in the 2017 draft..a franchise player.

You’re saying they’re the new Oilers (what on original thought in this thread)..I say different..We will find out next season won’t we..

How can you say he picked the best player in the 2017 draft when not everyone has played yet? /JuoleviExcuse

 

[y2kcanucks]

Benning implemented the drafting system here.,and yes..at this stage of the teams re incarnation drafting is the most imperative.

Being good at trading and signing UFA’s is great,but if you can’t draft when you’re team is in a down stage ..you’re cooked.

Ehlers
Koneckny
Tkachuk
Glass
Hughes.....Would you prefer this over what we have?

Why are you acting like Brackett isn’t the one who wanted Boeser and Pettersson when it’s been reported that was the case?

 

[y2kcanucks]

Those people who now criticize management and coaches for not playing the kids enough and blocking their way with veteran signings would hate Lombardi, based on his past performance.

I'm fine with developing the kids slowly, but have misgivings about the big contracts with term for players leaving their prime years that Lombardi has given out or traded for in the past.

Do you forget that he had a youthful team in LA prior to them winning their cups? And then he actually went for it and made the necessary acquisitions to get them over that hump. LA always seemed to be in on every big name player who was available. And there’s a price to build that kind of team. They’re in a spot now where they need to rebuild. That’s fine. If we have to rebuild again after winning 2 cups, I’ll take it.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part. I’m going to enjoy the day Benning is fired.

What makes you think the Aquilini’s are going to pay a lot of money for Lombardi to come here and he’s going to keep status quo? And why keep a guy around who isn’t rebuilding, and instead pushed for the playoffs every year and ended up with the worst team in the league over a 4 year period?

I also noticed that Lombardi and Hextall seem to be tight. Hextall worked under Lombardi as an assistant GM in LA since 2006, and then eventually went back to Philly as GM in 2014. Then, when Lombardi was let go in LA he took a job with Hextall in Philly. This is just me speculating, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Lombardi is hired here that Hextall follows. If Lombardi is hired solely as president, then I would expect Benning to be fired and Hextall hired as GM.

I certainly enjoyed the day Benning was extended last year..You said you were done with the team..How long did that last?

Your reasoning is all based on spite..and that’s not the way it’s going to fly..there will be a probationary period..

Pretty sure you’ll be seeing Benning at the podium on draft day..Make sure you get yourself one of those walking billboards like you see outside sandwich shops..(you can put fire benning on it).You can take that to the draft with you...hang out by the front doors..

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

How can you say he picked the best player in the 2017 draft when not everyone has played yet? /JuoleviExcuse

Youre already calling OJ a bust..

When he actually does start to play in the NHL..you will say ,you meant ‘bust’ as a pick bust...not as a player..

Never change.

 

[TruGr1t]

So according to LeBrun, Ralph Krueger May be available in a president type role.

Krueger certainly has a good reputation, but that's all I know of him.

Regardless we've got to hope they've committed to bringing in someone to effectively take over business and hockey operations at the NHL level.

The franchise is literally at a turning point. If you let Benning and Weisbrod continue to drift directionless in free agency and trade, you literally risk wasting the prime years for 2-3 cornerstone pieces.

It should be clear to everyone involved that roster building (i.e. contract negotiations, CBA and cap management, etc.) is a serious organizational weakness.

 

[y2kcanucks]

I certainly enjoyed the day Benning was extended last year..You said you were done with the team..How long did that last?

Your reasoning is all based on spite..and that’s not the way it’s going to fly..there will be a probationary period..

Pretty sure you’ll be seeing Benning at the podium on draft day..Make sure you get yourself one of those walking billboards like you see outside sandwich shops..(you can put fire benning on it).You can take that to the draft with you...hang out by the front doors..

If he is at the draft, I’ll be one of the fans there thoroughly embarrassing him by chanting Fire Benning. Going to be fun either way.

The difference between us is I want what’s best for this team, while clearly you just care about Benning.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Youre already calling OJ a bust..

When he actually does start to play in the NHL..you will say ,you meant ‘bust’ as a pick bust...not as a player..

Never change.

When he isn’t a regular top 4 defenseman and is merely a bottom pair, PP specialist, I’ll be right that’s he’s a bust.

He’s guaranteed to be a pick bust, that’s very true. The rest, we’ll see. I think it’s more likely he’s a complete bust than he is to develop into a top 4 defenseman though.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

So according to LeBrun, Ralph Krueger May be available in a president type role.

I wouldn’t be opposed to that..He’s done an outstanding job at Southampton FC..a really good sports executive.

 

[Peter10]

Not all GM’s can pick back to back Calder finalists..and who knows..QH might be one as well.

Benning picked the best player in the 2017 draft..a franchise player.

You’re saying they’re the new Oilers (what on original thought in this thread)..I say different..We will find out next season won’t we..

Not all GMs have such bad teams to pick in the top 10 year after year.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Not all GMs have such bad teams to pick in the top 10 year after year.

Really ?..TBL..1 playoff appearance in 6 years..Blackhawks..1 playoff appearance in 10 years..The Leafs,Jets etc...

 

[Peter10]

Really ?..TBL..1 playoff appearance in 6 years..Blackhawks..1 playoff appearance in 10 years..The Leafs,Jets etc...

Have a look how long those GMs lasted and Benning is an anti-Cheveldayoff

 

[opendoor]

Here are the teams who've had multiple Calder finalists in the last 10 years:

CBJ, CHI, COL, EDM, FLA, NYI. Yeah, that's a real who's who of well managed teams. Chicago is the only one to have any real kind of success.

 

[Fatass]

Not all GMs have such bad teams to pick in the top 10 year after year.

And didn’t Benning trade away a lot of second and third round picks too? Guy doesn’t know how to properly rebuild a toy car, let alone an NHL team.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Here are the teams who've had multiple Calder finalists in the last 10 years:

CBJ, CHI, COL, EDM, FLA, NYI. Yeah, that's a real who's who of well managed teams. Chicago is the only one to have any real kind of success.

How many of those teams would’ve still had multiple Calder finalists without top 3 draft picks?

 

[I am toxic]

Krueger certainly has a good reputation, but that's all I know of him.

Regardless we've got to hope they've committed to bringing in someone to effectively take over business and hockey operations at the NHL level.

The franchise is literally at a turning point. If you let Benning and Weisbrod continue to drift directionless in free agency and trade, you literally risk wasting the prime years for 2-3 cornerstone pieces.

It should be clear to everyone involved that roster building (i.e. contract negotiations, CBA and cap management, etc.) is a serious organizational weakness.

Cap space doesn't matter!




Signings are hard!

But Gillis!

 

[Peter10]

How many of those teams would’ve still had multiple Calder finalists without top 3 draft picks?

Toronto had 2 finalists who werent a top 3 pick in 1 year. So Benning has matched that in 5 seasons.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Wrong..they’re all working together..especially on the first pick..Benning makes the executive decision on all the 1st round picks good and bad (even though you guys are trying to credit the home runs to somebody else)...

Whether Benning makes it through to the next year or not..He will always be credited with building the core group.

Judd Brackett was shown in 2015 draft video to be campaigning for Boeser. Hed scouted him! Thomas Gradin (who also helped with the Edler pick) was HUGE on Petey, since Sweden is his scouting region.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

How can you say he picked the best player in the 2017 draft when not everyone has played yet? /JuoleviExcuse

Ooo I like this! This is good

 

[Fatass]

Toronto had 2 finalists who werent a top 3 pick in 1 year. So Benning has matched that in 5 seasons.

And herein lies the success, or non success, of a rebuild. A team needs to accumulate a core group of elite talent (Calder Finalists for example) all of similar age. We have Pettersson, Boeser, and Hughes. We should have several more of these young elite guys, but (BECAUSE OF BENNING’S GIFTING AWAY PICKS/YOUNG ASSETS) we have only three. Three key guys is NOT ENOUGH to have a quality team after the rebuild.
This is why these next two years a so very important. We need to get several more top quality young pieces to fit in with the three we already have. Do we trust Benning to do that? I sure as hell don’t.

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Toronto had 2 finalists who werent a top 3 pick in 1 year. So Benning has matched that in 5 seasons.

Can you name the 2 finalists and the year? Because when I fact checked your claim the only Calder finalist from the Leafs in the last 10 years was Auston Matthews who we all know was #1 pick.