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Who are the "organizational titans."

How involved in this hiring process will the senior advisers be — so Bob Clarke, Paul Holmgren, Bill Barber — how involved will they be in this process? And do you envision them playing a big role in driving the philosophical direction of the franchise moving forward? Specifically, I’m talking about team building.

OK, so let me say this to you. I’m so thrilled you asked that question.

Remember you asked me about how I became a tenacious Flyers fan? And I talked about the foundation that Ed Snider built. The three folks that were referred to as the “Three Wise Men,” and then others who are involved with us in one way, shape, or form. One — the fact that they are still part of the organization speaks to the vision of Ed Snider to build a family. And it speaks to the vision of Brian Roberts and Comcast, understanding that the past is prologue, and in order to build a bright future, you need to understand your foundational roots. To me, growing up where I grew up, these individuals are the foundational titans — and I use that word, I’m gonna be emphatic about it — the foundational titans of this organization. They will be part of the organization as long as I’m here, and they will be valued resources when asked to be valued resources.
 

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How involved in this hiring process will the senior advisers be — so Bob Clarke, Paul Holmgren, Bill Barber — how involved will they be in this process? And do you envision them playing a big role in driving the philosophical direction of the franchise moving forward? Specifically, I’m talking about team building.

OK, so let me say this to you. I’m so thrilled you asked that question.

Remember you asked me about how I became a tenacious Flyers fan? And I talked about the foundation that Ed Snider built. The three folks that were referred to as the “Three Wise Men,” and then others who are involved with us in one way, shape, or form. One — the fact that they are still part of the organization speaks to the vision of Ed Snider to build a family. And it speaks to the vision of Brian Roberts and Comcast, understanding that the past is prologue, and in order to build a bright future, you need to understand your foundational roots. To me, growing up where I grew up, these individuals are the foundational titans — and I use that word, I’m gonna be emphatic about it — the foundational titans of this organization. They will be part of the organization as long as I’m here, and they will be valued resources when asked to be valued resources.
Have you heard anything about them actually having input?
Briere and Jones played for a half dozen teams, even more HCs, they're not Flyer lifers.
Torts certainly isn't a "Flyer."
They've made it clear they're on the same page, they've never said anything about advisors' influence.

Lip service to those three is inevitable, Clarke is the best player the organization ever had, Barber is among the top, and Holmgren is the last GM to get them to the SC finals. A large contingent of fans still support them. And of course, one must genuflect to Snider. So to expect Hilferty to publicly diss or reject them is unrealistic. Lurie welcomes Eagles alumni, but you think they influence Howie?

I see zero input, the current Flyers are very different than the last decade, there's an emphasis on speed and aggressive play, flipping the ice, not size (below average) or physical play. First thing Shaw did was teach Risto NOT to chase hits. "Physical" play is now defined as blocking shots and winning board battles, not trying to intimidate opponents. High picks are used for mobile D-men, not big stiffs. They're not going to be Toronto south, playing soft will never be tolerated, but they're not the "Broad Street Bullies" anymore.

Nor have they pursued free agents, a Holmgren addiction.
Nor have they traded high draft picks for veteran players.
And they've actually said they're rebuilding, something Clarke and Holmgren hated (last time they rebuilt in the 1990s they had to fire Clarke as GM).

They may fall flat on their faces, but it'll be on their own terms.
 

FlyerNutter

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Their talent evaluation, development, and scouting (pro/amateur). Is dogshit. Same people in every department.

The fellowship hasn’t changed just because they publicly said that Pippin is now the leader.

Rebuilding isn’t happily drafting 11th, signing most of your current vanilla core, and calling it a day.
 

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This is what baffles me, it's clearly organizational... But it can't be all people in that org are so collectively... unique thinking. Are they hiring only yes-men with similar philosophy? Or are there people in org that are bigger than others and can force their views/approach on all others? A bit of column A, bit of column B?
100% its beilive in the old bois cronyism or you dont get hired..

rule #1
 
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How involved in this hiring process will the senior advisers be — so Bob Clarke, Paul Holmgren, Bill Barber — how involved will they be in this process? And do you envision them playing a big role in driving the philosophical direction of the franchise moving forward? Specifically, I’m talking about team building.

OK, so let me say this to you. I’m so thrilled you asked that question.

Remember you asked me about how I became a tenacious Flyers fan? And I talked about the foundation that Ed Snider built. The three folks that were referred to as the “Three Wise Men,” and then others who are involved with us in one way, shape, or form. One — the fact that they are still part of the organization speaks to the vision of Ed Snider to build a family. And it speaks to the vision of Brian Roberts and Comcast, understanding that the past is prologue, and in order to build a bright future, you need to understand your foundational roots. To me, growing up where I grew up, these individuals are the foundational titans — and I use that word, I’m gonna be emphatic about it — the foundational titans of this organization. They will be part of the organization as long as I’m here, and they will be valued resources when asked to be valued resources.
100% never changing...
 

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This road trip was the first time they looked like last season.

Fast, aggressive forecheck, attacking the O-zone, getting back on defense, challenging D-men at the on in the D-zone instead of collapsing into a shell.

This is the team they want to build. Similar to Carolina.

It was a fun game with players flying up and down the ice, the overtime was the Bob show, Flyers almost won the game a couple times.

Against Carolina, they got stomped. The hurricanes had 50 more shot attempts than the Flyers did. The Flyers didn't even have 50 shot attempts that game, the only reason that game was remotely close was they shot at 25%. They got hammered that game.

They did a lot better against TBL (who by the way are not the same TBL team from 3-4 years ago). Flyers were still out shot and chanced by TBL. NST had scoring chances at 29 to 18 at 5v5 for TBL. But with that being said, flyers played a tighter game and were able to block a lot of those chances, which led to stronger defensive numbers.

Against FLA, at 5v5, they got hammered. FLA had 19 more shot attempts than the Flyers. They just barely were able to produce over 2 xGF/60 at 5v5 (which is below their average for the year...and they are in 31st for xGF/60 at 5v5).

If you take the stats for the 5v5 stats for the last 3 games, the flyers end up with and their ranking against the rest of the league is as follows:

CF/60 - 43.9 (32nd)
CA/60 - 70.1 (31st)
xGF/60 - 2.1 (32nd)
xGA/60 - 3.2 30th)

Not great.

Here's where they are at all situations:

CF/60 - 46.1 (32nd)
CA/60 - 67.9 (30st)
xGF/60 - 2.5 (30th)
xGA/60 - 3.4 (26th)

Better I guess?
 
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It's a bit more complex than that.
Michkov should not be in a "1st line" role at 5x5 right now, he needs to be sheltered.
He is however vital to a good PP.

I'd put him on a line with Couts but I'd sit him for a couple shifts each period.
So keep his 5x5 minutes down to 10-12 a night, and 2-3 PP minutes.
12-15 minutes a night is the right usage for a 19 year old rookie, he's not a "horse."

I don't get the impression he's lazy, rather, playing in Sochi where he was the key to the offense led to bad habits (similar to many scorers coming out of the CHL) that he'll have to learn to break. You see this often with players used to going 20+ minutes at lower levels, where they learned to take shifts off to conserve energy - but in the NHL that doesn't fly.
 

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They looked a lot worse than in some games where they got 0 points. This is simply regression to the mean. Saying games where Richards and Hathaway scored key goals and Tippett's 2 SOG from 5 shots was a graphic-worthy highlight - is some sort of rebound is absolutely brain-dead, plain and simple. Oh NAW, our 4th line plugs, ginger that can't score for his life and MM in the press box - scary stuff.

I am getting flashbacks from the season where we started out red hot but every single advanced stat showed it's unsustainable, but the reporters and some fans were calling our side of opinion dumb. This is the same - ''rah rah benching MM led to 3 pts out of 4'', oh, f*** off.

Sorry for the rant, I just got back from 45min run in fresh air thus am energized to finally put the rage in some decipherable words.
 

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They looked a lot worse than in some games where they got 0 points. This is simply regression to the mean. Saying games where Richards and Hathaway scored key goals and Tippett's 2 SOG from 5 shots was a graphic-worthy highlight - is some sort of rebound is absolutely brain-dead, plain and simple. Oh NAW, our 4th line plugs, ginger that can't score for his life and MM in the press box - scary stuff.

I am getting flashbacks from the season where we started out red hot but every single advanced stat showed it's unsustainable, but the reporters and some fans were calling our side of opinion dumb. This is the same - ''rah rah benching MM led to 3 pts out of 4'', oh, f*** off.

Sorry for the rant, I just got back from 45min run in fresh air thus am energized to finally put the rage in some decipherable words.
This was also maybe the toughest stretch of the schedule, what I look for is the skating, they're definitely skating harder now.
Obviously, losing York from a thin D group hurts.

I expect at the end of the season they'll be where I expect them to be 80-90 points if Ersson holds up. They'll probably pick around #10 and #42.
Which is fine. It would take a total collapse to finish behind San Jose, CBJ, Anaheim, Chicago, and the Habs.

Basically this...


Is this in reference to my post?
More Kudyman and the MM sitting is the reason they played well.
 

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This was also maybe the toughest stretch of the schedule, what I look for is the skating, they're definitely skating harder now.
Obviously, losing York from a thin D group hurts.

I expect at the end of the season they'll be where I expect them to be 80-90 points if Ersson holds up. They'll probably pick around #10 and #42.
Which is fine. It would take a total collapse to finish behind San Jose, CBJ, Anaheim, Chicago, and the Habs.


More Kudyman and the MM sitting is the reason they played well.

If your main KPI for good performance is ''skating harder!!!'' you should probably sign up for a position at PHI FO, they'd love you. No offense.
 

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Provide smeProvidHave you heard anything about them actually having input?
Briere and Jones played for a half dozen teams, even more HCs, they're not Flyer lifers.
Torts certainly isn't a "Flyer."
They've made it clear they're on the same page, they've never said anything about advisors' influence.

Lip service to those three is inevitable, Clarke is the best player the organization ever had, Barber is among the top, and Holmgren is the last GM to get them to the SC finals. A large contingent of fans still support them. And of course, one must genuflect to Snider. So to expect Hilferty to publicly diss or reject them is unrealistic. Lurie welcomes Eagles alumni, but you think they influence Howie?

I see zero input, the current Flyers are very different than the last decade, there's an emphasis on speed and aggressive play, flipping the ice, not size (below average) or physical play. First thing Shaw did was teach Risto NOT to chase hits. "Physical" play is now defined as blocking shots and winning board battles, not trying to intimidate opponents. High picks are used for mobile D-men, not big stiffs. They're not going to be Toronto south, playing soft will never be tolerated, but they're not the "Broad Street Bullies" anymore.

Nor have they pursued free agents, a Holmgren addiction.
Nor have they traded high draft picks for veteran players.
And they've actually said they're rebuilding, something Clarke and Holmgren hated (last time they rebuilt in the 1990s they had to fire Clarke as GM).


They may fall flat on their faces, but it'll be on their own terms.
Provide some context o those in bold. What are the reasons behind why no free agents or trading of picks.
 

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I expect at the end of the season they'll be where I expect them to be 80-90 points if Ersson holds up. They'll probably pick around #10 and #42.
Which is fine. It would take a total collapse to finish behind San Jose, CBJ, Anaheim, Chicago, and the Habs
We have spoken about this and I tend to agree they are (should be at least) better than their current numbers project.

But as each game passes, they aren’t showing anything that really indicates they have, or are going to, take a step forward.
 
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I mean, he.s not wrong. These were the Flyers best two games.

But it has nothing to do with scratching Michkov. He’s just looking for engagement. Classic bait.

I’m a fan of Andrae. He looks much smarter, quicker to make decisions, and overall more complete than Drysdale. Was Drysdale with Zamula at the end? Looked like Andrae/Sanheim for a while.

If Torts scratches MM when I’m in town for the game, I will take a leak on his tires. He might never know, but I will, and it will make me smile.
If I can get anywhere near Torts can I’m throwing shit on his windshield.
 

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I mean, he.s not wrong. These were the Flyers best two games.

But it has nothing to do with scratching Michkov. He’s just looking for engagement. Classic bait.

I’m a fan of Andrae. He looks much smarter, quicker to make decisions, and overall more complete than Drysdale. Was Drysdale with Zamula at the end? Looked like Andrae/Sanheim for a while.

If Torts scratches MM when I’m in town for the game, I will take a leak on his tires. He might never know, but I will, and it will make me smile.
Was it the Flyers best two games though? What's the measure we are going by? Cause they barley eeked a win against a struggling Tampa, and then PDOed their way to a point against one of the top teams in the league currently.
 

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If your main KPI for good performance is ''skating harder!!!'' you should probably sign up for a position at PHI FO, they'd love you. No offense.
The system requires they "skate hard." That is, don't play passive at either end of the ice.
To start the season, they looked a bit tentative.

That's why Carolina looks faster than they are, they're always attacking on defense, giving you no time to peruse the ice before making a decision. And they quickly flip the ice.
As Patton said: "Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more."

That's how the Flyers played last season, their problem was goalies and finishing.
That's where they need to get back.

The biggest farce of the whole scratching thing is they won't dare scratch Drysdale because of the optics of that trade even though he has more than earned one (or a half dozen).
Are you eager to see Johnson for 15 minutes a night?
 

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