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GDT: #13 | Flyers at Hurricanes | Tuesday, November 5, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

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FLYERS: 4-7-1 (Maybe they're morally 1st in Division?)
HURRICANES: 8-2-0 (2nd in Metro)

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FLYERS LINEUP

Owen Tippett - Morgan Frost - Travis Konecny
Matvei Michkov - Sean Couturier - Tyson Foerster
Joel Farabee - Scott Laughton - Bobby Brink
Noah Cates - Ryan Poehling - Garnet Hathaway

Travis Sanheim - Rasmus Ristolainen
Nick Seeler - Jamie Drysdale
Emil Andrae - Erik Johnson

Kolosov
Fedotov

Injuries

Ersson (A week-ish?)
York (IR)
Ellis (Thou hast my heart so with desire disposed/To the adventure, with these words of thine,/That to my first intent I have returned. )

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HURRICANES LINEUP

Andrei Svechnikov - Sebastian Aho - Jack Roslovic
Eric Robinson - Jesperi Kotkaniemi - Martin Necas
Jordan Martinook - Jordan Staal - Seth Jarvis
William Carrier - Jack Drury - Jackson Blake

Jaccob Slavin - Brent Burns
Shayne Gostisbehere - Sean Walker
Dmitry Orlov - Jalen Chatfield

Kocketkov
Martin

Injuries

Fast (Out)
Andersen (Out)

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STATS

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BiggE said:
This should go well.

For getting a top 5 pick that is.
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I truly cannot figure out how they can look at this depth and be like "Yeah, it's contending time." This has been obvious since last season. The brutal math is they are always one injury to a decent player away from that player being replaced with guys who would be mediocre in the AHL.

Team's with bad depth get totally gutted by injuries to guys like Cam York. Good teams shrug those off. This has been the case going back to Hextall and they still refuse to rebuild or take talent seriously.
 
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Who said it was "contending time?"

All they've said is they'd like to compete for a playoff slot b/c it's better for player development than playing out the string.
 
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Compete for a playoff spot??
They lack a 1C and a 2C along with a top D pair and they have only one goalie who even belongs in the NHL, let alone one that’s a proven NHL starter.

Stevie Wonder could look at this roster and know that, at best, if everything broke right, they’re an 80-84 point team.

If their management team were inept it would actually be an improvement. They are a total joke and sadly the joke is on the fanbase. What’s even sadder though, is that a large portion of this fanbase still worships at the altar of Tortorella and takes the spewing of Jones as gospel.

Pathetic.
 
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deadhead said:
Who said it was "contending time?"

All they've said is they'd like to compete for a playoff slot b/c it's better for player development than playing out the string.
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That's contending time. They've also assured us that the big thing is making the playoffs, then anything can happen. Making the playoffs and contending are the same thing to them. They've made this clear for years. To them, the extent of team building is "be mediocre enough to get in, then WIN ON HARD WORK." They're stupid.
 
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BiggE said:
Compete for a playoff spot??
They lack a 1C and a 2C along with a top D pair and they have only one goalie who even belongs in the NHL, let alone one that’s a proven NHL starter.

Stevie Wonder could look at this roster and know that, at best, if everything broke right, they’re an 80-84 point team.

If their management team were inept it would actually be an improvement. They are a total joke and sadly the joke is on the fanbase. What’s even sadder though, is that a large portion of this fanbase still worships at the altar of Tortorella and takes the spewing of Jones as gospel.

Pathetic.
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And how was Briere supposed to rectify that in 2 years?
By trading 1st rd picks for veterans, signing big money free agents?
Buium instead of Luchanko would make no difference this season since he's still in college.

So Frost is no longer a top six forward?

York - Sanheim are certainly a top pair, not among the top ten but in the middle of the pack:

Anaheim: Fowler - Zellweger
Calgary: Bahl - Andersson
Carolina: Slavin - Burns
CBJ: Werenski - Provorov
Detroit: Edvinsson - Seider
Kings: Anderson - Gabrikov
Habs: Matheson - Guhle
Ottawa: Sanderson - Hamonic
Pens: Grzelyck - Letang
Seattle: Evans - Larsson
STL: Suter - Parayko
TB: Hedman - Raddysh
Utah: Sergachev - Kesselring
Wash: Fehervary - Carlsson
Winn: Morrisey - DeMelo

The problem isn't the first pair, but when you don't have a top ten D-man, you need an above average 2nd pair. Right now, Flyers have (2) 3rd pairs.

Beef Invictus said:
That's contending time. They've also assured us that the big thing is making the playoffs, then anything can happen. Making the playoffs and contending are the same thing to them. They've made this clear for years. To them, the extent of team building is "be mediocre enough to get in, then WIN ON HARD WORK." They're stupid.
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Then why did they trade Walker last season?
If they wanted to make the playoffs, they would have traded FOR a backup goalie.
If they wanted to make the playoffs THIS season they would have traded/signed a veteran center.
 
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deadhead said:
And how was Briere supposed to rectify that in 2 years?
By trading 1st rd picks for veterans, signing big money free agents?
Buium instead of Luchanko would make no difference this season since he's still in college.

So Frost is no longer a top six forward?

York - Sanheim are certainly a top pair, not among the top ten but in the middle of the pack:

Anaheim: Fowler - Zellweger
Calgary: Bahl - Andersson
Carolina: Slavin - Burns
CBJ: Werenski - Provorov
Detroit: Edvinsson - Seider
Kings: Anderson - Gabrikov
Habs: Matheson - Guhle
Ottawa: Sanderson - Hamonic
Pens: Grzelyck - Letang
Seattle: Evans - Larsson
STL: Suter - Parayko
TB: Hedman - Raddysh
Utah: Sergachev - Kesselring
Wash: Fehervary - Carlsson
Winn: Morrisey - DeMelo

The problem isn't the first pair, but when you don't have a top ten D-man, you need an above average 2nd pair. Right now, Flyers have (2) 3rd pairs.


Then why did they trade Walker last season?
If they wanted to make the playoffs, they would have traded FOR a backup goalie.
If they wanted to make the playoffs THIS season they would have traded/signed a veteran center.
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They traded him because they couldn't afford to sign him. They tried hard to keep him and Seeler together. They didn't want to trade him, but once they couldn't keep him they did.

Has it ever occurred to you that they're really bad at player evaluation? You should consider it, it explains a good amount of what is always going wrong with this team. Paired with their broken philsophy of hockey, it accounts for 98% of their position, the remaining 2% being poor luck.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
They traded him because they couldn't afford to sign him. They tried hard to keep him and Seeler together. They didn't want to trade him, but once they couldn't keep him they did.

Has it ever occurred to you that they're really bad at player evaluation? You should consider it, it explains a good amount of what is always going wrong with this team. Paired with their broken philsophy of hockey, it accounts for 98% of their position, the remaining 2% being poor luck.
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If making the playoffs is the primary goal, they should have kept him and let him walk.
 
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deadhead said:
If making the playoffs is the primary goal, they should have kept him and let him walk.
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They probably expected that paying to buy Johnson (monstrously stupid and inexplicable for a rebuilding team, logical for a stupid team that thinks it is contending) would patch the gap.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
They probably expected that paying to buy Johnson (monstrously stupid and inexplicable for a rebuilding team, logical for a stupid team that thinks it is contending) would patch the gap.
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They traded for Johnson only b/c they were short 3 D-men (Walker, Seeler and Risto).
 
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deadhead said:
And how was Briere supposed to rectify that in 2 years?
By trading 1st rd picks for veterans, signing big money free agents?
Buium instead of Luchanko would make no difference this season since he's still in college.

So Frost is no longer a top six forward?

York - Sanheim are certainly a top pair, not among the top ten but in the middle of the pack:

Anaheim: Fowler - Zellweger
Calgary: Bahl - Andersson
Carolina: Slavin - Burns
CBJ: Werenski - Provorov
Detroit: Edvinsson - Seider
Kings: Anderson - Gabrikov
Habs: Matheson - Guhle
Ottawa: Sanderson - Hamonic
Pens: Grzelyck - Letang
Seattle: Evans - Larsson
STL: Suter - Parayko
TB: Hedman - Raddysh
Utah: Sergachev - Kesselring
Wash: Fehervary - Carlsson
Winn: Morrisey - DeMelo

The problem isn't the first pair, but when you don't have a top ten D-man, you need an above average 2nd pair. Right now, Flyers have (2) 3rd pairs.


Then why did they trade Walker last season?
If they wanted to make the playoffs, they would have traded FOR a backup goalie.
If they wanted to make the playoffs THIS season they would have traded/signed a veteran center.
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Walker they tried to re-sign. Trading him was a no brainer even their incompetence couldn't mess up.

How do you know they didn't try?

You have to give to get. They do not want to give up the players that have value. No good free agent wants to come here.

As someone mentioned maybe their player evaluation is just not good.

deadhead said:
They traded for Johnson only b/c they were short 3 D-men (Walker, Seeler and Risto).
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They owed it to the room to try for the playoffs. That 4th is irrelevant. My guess is they never even seen EJ play last year on Buffalo. Saw the name and thought they got a steal.
 
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