I’d get both sides of that. On the other hand I would get wanting to come over now for a bit to get an idea of what to expect
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I’d get both sides of that. On the other hand I would get wanting to come over now for a bit to get an idea of what to expect
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I was in a similar position with my job. I was elected and was told I could wait until 2 months until after the Holidays or report half way across the country immediately. I chose to wait 2 months and spent that time with my family as they couldn't leave school until after the school year ended and I would be living on my own the entire time. 5 months away from my family was better than 7 months.
That's honestly a crazy thing to say. I get that it's complicated sometimes... but Grits was a 5th round pick.
2024 they drafted Silayev and Yegorov... two guys that will absolutely be a big part of the team's future.
2022 Orlov was a 4th rounder
2021 Bardakov was a 7th rounder and was used in a trade. Maybe the trade wasn't great but it still brought the Devils value eventually
2020 Mukhamadullin brought us Timo
2019 Okhotyuk looked decent then got us Timo
2017 Paugaev.... I think he retired to become a Youtuber?
Either way... drafting Russians has not been a problem for the Devils. Also the Yegorov pick will turn out to be huge. Russians have the best goalies currently and he's already in North America turning heads.
Yeah just ignore one of the large talent pools of players!!! What a brilliant f***ing idea. Good god the people bitching about this “taking too long” is the same type of shit as bitching about Bratt’s extension for all that time because it wasn’t getting done as fast as they wanted. Name me a SINGLE Russian that was good and decided to just stay in Russia and not come over.
I don't have a problem with them spending late picks on Russians. Who cares..
I just hope we don't have to wait 6 f***ing years for big Sil.
Yegorov is an odd case. Not many 18 year old Russians play in the States/Canada...
I just hope we don't have to wait 6 f***ing years for big Sil.
Yegorov is an odd case. Not many 18 year old Russians play in the States/Canada...
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Nice false equivalence.
*Im fine with drafting russians, but factoring in the delay and hassle in getting them over here is 100% valid.
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Guys like Yegorov and Okhotyuk, who are already in NA, should be in a different category.
But the guys playing in Russia, while there does seem to be a way to get mid round talent late in the draft, you do have to weigh that against the fact that you may not see those guys until they are in their mid 20's.
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The “Russian factor” is baked into where you have to draft these guys. Idk why that’s such a big deal. Grits also probably needed these last few years of development.
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Grits was a 5th round pick. I am not sure what "risk" there is with a pick like that. If it pants out, this is kind of what you'd expect.
Rather shoot for the stars with late picks than pick the Connor Chathams of the world
Rather shoot for the stars with late picks than pick the Connor Chathams of the world
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We definitely miss out on cheap depth, potential cheap bottom 6 six scoring for a couple years. Is that a "big deal"? Maybe not.
Did he need to develop till the age of 24? I think need is a strong word.
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Better then pants down I say.
Everyone's talking past one another here - it would be much better if Gritsyuk were here the last 2 seasons, but it is still much better to have him than an average 5th round pick, and especially so from the 2019 draft where almost nobody selected after him is going to have a better pro career.
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I for one agree with everyone's angst around drafting Russians. I would've much rather we took the Finnish stud the Rangers took one pick after Grits, with his 6 points in 31 games in Sweden this year.
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Grit's is also a pick that looks like it has a chance to hit. Acting like every non Russian pick is Connor Chatham is not accurate. But in addition to the time delay, it's not like all these Russians are poised to be good NHL players..
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The Devils have selected 12 players out of the Russian leagues/KHL since 2016 (here I am excluding Yegorov, Okhotiuk, and Popugaev). 10 of them are going to have a professional career, and here I define a professional career as playing as a top 9 forward/top 4 D in a pro league that is AHL/KHL/Switzerland/Sweden/Finland. Barbosha may not and Rykov's career went off the rails but he was a legit prospect who did well at the Worlds and who had trade value when he was dealt in 2018.
Comparing that to the Devils rate of selecting players out of other leagues and it's not even close.
Compare it to shite picks like Chase Stillman. What a complete and utter f*** up.
Knies, Stankoven, Raty. All passed over for the guy who Fitz was "enamoured" with.
Outside of Mercer, every forward Fitz has picked is looking like a waste. Except maybe Lenni...
Yep. That's the real issue. Russian players are f'ing talented. Keep drafting them. Draft MORE of them, especially rounds 5-7.
Not getting Stankoven instead of Stillman, Cooley instead of Nemec*, Jarvis (or Rossi or Askarov) instead of Holtz - that's the thing that's killed us. All of those players (and the saved picks from having to go get Markstrom) would really have improved this team. Adding Grits on top of it would be amazing.
You can't keep missing in the first round.
Note: Nemec at the time made more sense, our C depth wasn't as tragic - and I think he's a fine player but I'd rather have the C.
Trading Bardakov got us zero value. That was stupid AF.
Not getting Stankoven instead of Stillman, Cooley instead of Nemec*, Jarvis (or Rossi or Askarov) instead of Holtz - that's the thing that's killed us. All of those players (and the saved picks from having to go get Markstrom) would really have improved this team. Adding Grits on top of it would be amazing.
You can't keep missing in the first round.
Note: Nemec at the time made more sense, our C depth wasn't as tragic - and I think he's a fine player but I'd rather have the C.
Trading Bardakov got us zero value. That was stupid AF.
I'm more than fine with drafting Russians, especially with a late round lotto ticket.
But I got a flashback to my annual spring time ritual of adding Ilya Nikulin in my fantasy league in case it was finally the year he decided to come over. I don't think he was a top pairing potential D, but it seemed like he could have played in the NHL.
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Atlanta took him #31 in 2000 and the Thrashers tried to get him to come over. The main roadblock was him being required to potentially take a pay cut and sign an ELC. After a European (trained) player turns 29, he doesn't have to sign an ELC but by then Nikulin was married with kid(s) and seemingly less motivated to uproot his family. Alex Ovechkin is the godfather to Nikulin's son and then in the summer of 2015 Nikulin considered signing with Washington (although I think Winnipeg still owned his rights) but decided to stay in Russia.
On its last day, CapFriendly still had Nikulin on Winnipeg's reserve list even though he hadn't played in years.
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what's the one thing Cooley, Stankoven and Jarvis and Rossi have in common? All smaller players. Fitz has to get his head out of 1995. He picked Stillman to be some sort of physical power forward. Instead he just got a dud. Pick skill Tom, it's the one thing that's elusive. You can always get a bigger guy to bump and grind.
Yep. Moving away from Best Player Available and speed, talent, skating to these weird obsessions to fill current needs (which may not be needs by the time a pick matures) is a major issue.
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I don’t know enough about this team to know if it’s interesting that Bardakov will be there but Grits and Nikishin aren’t.
Especially when there is a fair amount of smoke around Nikishin coming to play in the NHL soon.
I leave this as just informational.
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So you are confident Karpovich is going to be a top 4 D in the KHL?
And guys who play at a JAG level in the KHL/SHL/Liiga etc is not something I hang my hat on. What does that do for the team? Especially the Russians who show less desire to play in NA.
Is Zaitsev putting up zero points and 7 assists in 48 games this year in the KHL better then Jeremy Davies 11-32-43 in 67 AHL games? Is Maltsev(who yes did come over a bit) playing in the KHL a better pick then Gignac playing in the AHL?
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