GDT: 12/31/24 4pm Winter Classic blues @ Hawks TNT
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We tanked hard and got Bedard!! Happy Days!!
So, now after all this slop what is the future for this roster. I mean it's literally year 3 of the rebuild and it seems we are worse than last year.
I had hope of at least making the playoffs next season but that seems like a pipe dream now. It is looking like 26/27 at the earliest.
I had hope of at least making the playoffs next season but that seems like a pipe dream now. It is looking like 26/27 at the earliest.
For me, it will depend on what he does during the off-season. If his does another buy and flip type off-season, I am going to be pissed and ready for him to move on from the Hawks. But should he actually acquire legitimately NHL talent (and hire a legitimately good HC), I'd give him another year or so.
Hawkaholic
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Lol people continue to be surprised this team sucks. Bottom of the barrel rosters become bottom of the barrel teams.
It's a rebuild, a long, long process. It will be closer to 2030 before this teams shows major life and becomes competitive. If you cant wait, may as well stop watching now.
It's a rebuild, a long, long process. It will be closer to 2030 before this teams shows major life and becomes competitive. If you cant wait, may as well stop watching now.
Blackhawkswincup
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That is BS as this team is worse than last year at this point despite the offseason additions and stated goal of improvement in roster. Davidson made some bad decisions this past summer and his 1st coaching hire failed miserably
And a proper rebuild would not see Joey f***ing Anderson playing over guys like Dach or Slaggert on NHL roster or actively look to block kids from making team
If 7 years after drafting Bedard is your timeline for competitive team that is not a good rebuild model and only ensures Bedard will be looking to Eichel himself out of Chicago by then
What decisions did Davidson make that is going to cost the team in the long run? Yeah the FAs aren't good at the moment but it they're allowing the kids to develop in Rockford and they're gonna be gone and off the books after next year anyway. It's not like any of them are keeping the Hawks from signing anyone.
Joey Anderson is a plug and I'd rather see him in the press box when everyone is healthy than Dach or Slaggert. The rest of the guys are putting up film to be traded.
But let me say this. I went to a game in late 2006 when the team had Havlat putting up ridiculous numbers and that team was bad. That team had Havlat, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Patrick Sharp, and a bunch of meh besides that and I remember thinking that for the first time in a decade, the team finally had some real young talent even though the team still sucked. Then the very next year, they add Kane and Toews and they would have made the playoffs that year if Toews and Havlat didn't get hurt.
Now Kane and Toews aren't coming next year but maybe they sign a top free agent and whoever they get at the top of the draft provides a similar impact? The reasons why I think this rebuild is going to work better than others is that they already got Bedard, they seem to be finding pieces in the draft outside the top 5, and Chicago is an original 6 city that also attracts top talent.
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They spent something like 30M in cap space in the off season and the only guy they lost who scored more than 15 points last year was Tyler Johnson. Their point % has improved from a whopping .317 to .342 which is a 56 point pace for this season.
Nobody expected them to be in the playoff mix but to "improve" from a 52 point season to a 56 point pace after spending that money, Bedard being a year older, and having guys like Nazar, Allan, etc also step in... Well, it's a disappointment.
Nobody expected them to be in the playoff mix but to "improve" from a 52 point season to a 56 point pace after spending that money, Bedard being a year older, and having guys like Nazar, Allan, etc also step in... Well, it's a disappointment.
Sarava
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I cant imagine defending this and saying this should take 7+ years. That is completely absurd.
As this goes on, and this team not only doesn't improve, but regresses further down the toilet.... Kyle Davidson looks more and more like Rick Hahn and Ryan Poles.
As this goes on, and this team not only doesn't improve, but regresses further down the toilet.... Kyle Davidson looks more and more like Rick Hahn and Ryan Poles.
Blackhawkswincup
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Dach with goal + assist last night
Now with 12 goals + 13 assists for 25 pts in 30 games (Last year had 11 goals + 16 assists for 27 pts in 48 games)
But Hawks cant bother to have such a player on NHL roster
Sends great message to kids that no matter how hard they work and show improvement they are to rot in Rockford without so much as a cup of coffee with big club
Now with 12 goals + 13 assists for 25 pts in 30 games (Last year had 11 goals + 16 assists for 27 pts in 48 games)
But Hawks cant bother to have such a player on NHL roster
Sends great message to kids that no matter how hard they work and show improvement they are to rot in Rockford without so much as a cup of coffee with big club
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How many playoff series wins did Edmonton have in 6/7 years? How many Did Toronto have? Colorado after getting Mackinnon? Tampa from Stamkos/Hedman, actually they have 1 year in contrast. Even Mario Lemieux only had 1 playoff appearance his first 6 years. Florida Panthers? After Ekblad-Barkov... 7 years....
If you don't think EVERY tank should and will have to take 7 plus years to be a contender, you don't follow the trends very well. You obviously don't want to be Buffalo/Arizona, but if you think a smart good rebuild is being a contender before 7 years, I think you're too impatient or pipe-dreaming.
A rarity of saying Tampa had that 1 run early in Stamkos/Hedman's career in 10/11? otherwise it was 6/7 years from their draft in 2015. A rare kind of exception in the routine. The difference, maybe because they never got rid of St. Louis & Levacavier who still carried those teams. (I was always pro keeping Kane for this rebuild, even over Debrincat)
(I never counted our former Hawks, because we know we weren't tanking. If anything, trading Chelios was a rebuild sign or letting Amonte walk, Still that was mainly Writz being cheap, he was never not trying to be good, just being cheap. I put the Pens in that zone too, they were cheap & struggling to stay alive as a team, not intentionally changing.)
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Most of your examples were top heavy--the young star players still could make plays and learn on the fly yet the depth needed to compete for a playoff run wasn't there. I don't remember Stamkos, Mackinnon, Crosby, or Barkov constantly chasing the puck in their own zone or getting swarmed in the offensive zone to the point where it was hard to evaluate any progress. Were any of them thrown in with a bunch of plugs like this roster, or did they have at least a decent line to play on that was able to provide some help?
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Barkov, Mackinnion, struggled like that for 4 years, yeah I always went on to the point that Bedard was joining at a bad time for this rebuild. Not you were going to say no or, you play somewhere else last year. It just wasn't a good timing fit. Mack didn't really
Well tough luck, we are not. It's going to be bad, I accepted that and figured that was the case before. I was falsely optimistic back in 17-19 that those teams could be better than they were. I have ZERO illusions about this collection of talent. I thought people who thought last year wasn't a tank roster were crazy. People said they expected this team to be a 70s Pts team boost of 20-30 points from last year, I thought that was a stretch too. I get it being annoying and frustrating, but it's just to me, wishing the rebuild was 2 years further along than it is. It isn't, Bowman making dumb moves to stay afloat when Norm MacIver was saying they need to rebuild was very harmful longterm.
Sarava
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I get your point, but your first 2 referenced examples are probably reasons not to do a total rebuild...more so than examples of how long it should take. Toronto and Edmonton are generally ridiculed for doing a poor job building around their young stars.
Colorado wasn't in a long losing stretch leading up to drafting MacKinnon. That's apples and oranges to the Hawks situation.
The Hawks have not won more games than they lost since the 16/17 season. We're now in the midst of their 8th consecutive losing season (counting OTL's as losses).
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I don't think anyone is expecting playoff series wins in the near future, but there should certainly be a level of compete from game to game that is higher than it has been for several years now. For years this team has made fundamental plays look difficult--power play zone entries, offensive zone puck movement, getting the puck out of their own zone. They'll have flashes where it looks solid, but year after year the basics of the game seem to elude this team.
Edit to add that when a pillar of the pipeline (Lev) doesn't seem to have effort, compete, and/or high motor as a main tenet of what those who have seen them say about his game--THAT is what frustrates me. THAT is a strange ask for a skill that needs to be improved from a foundational piece going forward. That the GM and scouting department thought those traits shouldn't be in the mix for a cornerstone player.
Edit to add that when a pillar of the pipeline (Lev) doesn't seem to have effort, compete, and/or high motor as a main tenet of what those who have seen them say about his game--THAT is what frustrates me. THAT is a strange ask for a skill that needs to be improved from a foundational piece going forward. That the GM and scouting department thought those traits shouldn't be in the mix for a cornerstone player.
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Salvaged Ship
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Completely ridiculous. So Bedard should go the first 7 years of his career before the team becomes competitive?
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To be fair, it took the Oilers 7 years with McDavid before they made it to the conference finals, and that year they got swept against the Avs in the WCFs.
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What makes baby Smurf Strome special compared to guys like Lemieux and MacKinnon?
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What I can't understand is how Davidson keeps saying he wants to be the fastest team in the league, and yet they look slow as shit
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Getting to the CFs is competitive, I agree.
I would argue, though, that a 1st round or 2nd round exit isn't.
Really just depends on what you think "competitive" means.
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While rebuilding it means being tough to play against. Everyone wants to cite pre-2010--it was obvious that team was going to be tough to play against regardless of whether 2009 or 2010 ended in the first round or they won the Cup. There's no timeline, but it all starts with being tough to play against, making the opposing goalie work and the other team knowing they had to earn the result and not looking at the Blackhawks on the schedule and preparing as if it's a day off.
Being competitive isn't just about the playoffs. It's about being in every game, having a winning record, etc.
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I feel like this team will be competitive (pushing for playoffs maybe) in 3-4 years. I expected 5 years of pain but did think we would be better than we have been this year. Some of that is down to the coach we had too and for the rest of this year. He needs to get the coach right this time.
Sure hope we don’t sign old plugs for character again this off season. And hoping a couple are traded away by tdl. We need skill with 98 first and foremost. And to cut bait with some in the off season that have not panned out.
Sure hope we don’t sign old plugs for character again this off season. And hoping a couple are traded away by tdl. We need skill with 98 first and foremost. And to cut bait with some in the off season that have not panned out.
