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NorthernFlicker said:
People are getting way too worked up about this. Now is the time to see what we have, and to see which guys mesh well.

Keefe said today they would be back to 12-6 for the Saturday game.
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I think most would prefer that they do this game by game, not shift by shift to allow the players to get into a bit of a rhythm playing together, to see who 'mesh well'.
Over playing the top guys is also a result of this but IMO, not as important as the first point.
 
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Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - O'Rielly - [34/16/88]
Nylander - Lafferty - Jarnkrok
Kerfoot - - Kampf - - Acciari

McCabe - - Brodie
Rielly - - - - Schenn
Giordano - Liljegren
Holl
 
Am gonna put my tinfoil hat on and use a conspiracy theory to explain this 11F and 7D shenanigan

I think Keefe doing a hail mary with this 11F 7D formation since 12F and 6D didn't do him any good against CBJ, Habs and Bolts.
Also, Cooper had used the same formation 11F and 7D few times in the playoffs; so Keefe thinks he is going to out think Cooper by doing the same stuff.

The difference though is that Tampa's forward group didn't miss a beat anytime bolts played 11F and 7D in the playoffs; Cooper also didn't ride one player too much (ex: Marner's mins are crazy) and Cooper I think mostly used that when at home not away (from wht I recall but am getting old so may be can't remember it properly).

long story short: Keefe trying to replicate Cooper's game plan which may come back to bite him on his behind especially given his undying love for freakin justin holl

IMO the difference between us and all the playoff teams that ousted us -> CBJ, Habs, Bolts was not necessarily the players only but more so the stupidity behind the bench with severe lack of coaching on the fly and in-game adjustments.
 
AvroArrow said:
I think it has more to do with figuring out which D-men he can trust in the playoffs, than it does with icing 11/7 for the playoffs. We have 8 NHLers on the blue line, instead of making 2 guys sit a game, rotate 1 guy out. We see what each guy is capable of. To me, Keefe is holding try outs for the playoffs and giving the bottom 3-4 D men an opportunity to prove why they should be the guy to play. I'm not too worried about it.

You've all obviously seen how Holl has been playing since the new guys came in. I have never in my life see him be this physical and play with this much effort. Shit on him all you want, but Keefe has lit a fire under Holl's ass and he's responding really well to it.

If we go into the playoffs and continue to run 11/7 yeah I'll be pissed, but I don't think that's the plan.
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Holl had 2 hits from what I can recall

fist when we acquired Schenn Holl laid a hit and got his ass beat by RNH :laugh:

and then yesterday when Schenn had his first practice with us.

Just goes on to tell you the kind of "pro hockey" player Holl really is. Doesn't put his best foot forward until his job is on the line. Pathetic!
 
PromisedLand said:
Am gonna put my tinfoil hat on and use a conspiracy theory to explain this 11F and 7D shenanigan

I think Keefe doing a hail mary with this 11F 7D formation since 12F and 6D didn't do him any good against CBJ, Habs and Bolts.
Also, Cooper had used the same formation 11F and 7D few times in the playoffs; so Keefe thinks he is going to out think Cooper by doing the same stuff.

The difference though is that Tampa's forward group didn't miss a beat anytime bolts played 11F and 7D in the playoffs; Cooper also didn't ride one player too much (ex: Marner's mins are crazy) and Cooper I think mostly used that when at home not away (from wht I recall but am getting old so may be can't remember it properly).

long story short: Keefe trying to replicate Cooper's game plan which may come back to bite him on his behind especially given his undying love for freakin justin holl

IMO the difference between us and all the playoff teams that ousted us -> CBJ, Habs, Bolts was not necessarily the players only but more so the stupidity behind the bench with severe lack of coaching on the fly and in-game adjustments.
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I don't think he is doing something solely because someone else did it. If that was the case he would have been trying 11/7 all year.

I think they know who they want to play up front and are essentially trialing the 7-8 D by giving them all a chance to play more frequently, and then closer to the playoffs it'll be the final 6.
 
SHANNYPLAN said:
Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Tavares - O'Rielly - Nylander
Kerfoot/Knies - Lafferty - Jarnkrok
AstonReese/Kerfoot - Kampf - Acciari

McCabe - Brodie
Rielly - - - Schenn
Giordano - Liljegren
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IMO they should be giving some bottom 6 guys from marlies a look in case of injuries so they are used to NHL pace a bit. Even if not playoff intensity; even regular season NHL is a different beast than AHL

Rob Brown said:
I don't think he is doing something solely because someone else did it. If that was the case he would have been trying 11/7 all year.

I think they know who they want to play up front and are essentially trialing the 7-8 D by giving them all a chance to play more frequently, and then closer to the playoffs it'll be the final 6.
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Even if that is true he is running our forwards especially marner to the ground. It is insane the amount of mins marner is playing. Mitchy is arugably our best player given how this season has gone thus far; you want him well rested and ready to go without any niggles or any fatigue.

just look at Marner's TOI for the last 6 games

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PromisedLand said:
Am gonna put my tinfoil hat on and use a conspiracy theory to explain this 11F and 7D shenanigan

I think Keefe doing a hail mary with this 11F 7D formation since 12F and 6D didn't do him any good against CBJ, Habs and Bolts.
Also, Cooper had used the same formation 11F and 7D few times in the playoffs; so Keefe thinks he is going to out think Cooper by doing the same stuff.

The difference though is that Tampa's forward group didn't miss a beat anytime bolts played 11F and 7D in the playoffs; Cooper also didn't ride one player too much (ex: Marner's mins are crazy) and Cooper I think mostly used that when at home not away (from wht I recall but am getting old so may be can't remember it properly).

long story short: Keefe trying to replicate Cooper's game plan which may come back to bite him on his behind especially given his undying love for freakin justin holl

IMO the difference between us and all the playoff teams that ousted us -> CBJ, Habs, Bolts was not necessarily the players only but more so the stupidity behind the bench with severe lack of coaching on the fly and in-game adjustments.
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I believe this to be true.
 
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PromisedLand said:
IMO they should be giving some bottom 6 guys from marlies a look in case of injuries so they are used to NHL pace a bit. Even if not playoff intensity; even regular season NHL is a different beast than AHL



Even if that is true he is running our forwards especially marner to the ground. It is insane the amount of mins marner is playing. Mitchy is arugably our best player given how this season has gone thus far; you want him well rested and ready to go without any niggles or any fatigue.

just look at Marner's TOI for the last 6 games

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I don't think there are any indications that Marner's play suffers due to icetime?

Of all the issues, I feel like this one is definitely overblown. The boys will be rested for the playoffs, playing a couple extra minutes in mid March won't be why they lose.

Much bigger concern for me is just the general lack of offence in the past few weeks. I hope ROR is part of that solution, but Acciari/Lafferty/Steeves/Holmberg/Kerfoot aren't giving me good vibes if the top 4 doesn't score 3-4 a night.
 
I'm not sure if it was posted yet, but JD Bunkis (fan 590) mentioned the 11-7 Tampa Bay stats.

Apparently the Lightning only used 7 defensemen 11 times in their 44 playoff games. I am paraphrasing, but the point is that they didn't use this format a lot.

Keefe,

GTFO
 
11-7 in some playoff games might make more sense. A playoff team could conceivably be dressing 1 or 2 defenders nursing injuries that make them game time decisions and not want to get caught short on defense.

Back on the Leafs, I was really hoping to see the team rolling 4 full-fledged lines (I know the O'Reilly injury killed that for the time being). I thought there was a real chance of seeing 3rd and 4th lines that had developed some chemistry capable of most matchups on most nights.
 
In my fantasy Stanley Cup run, the Leafs get up 2 goals in the 3rd period in certain games and don't need to keep playing the top 2 lines heavy minutes. Instead the bottom 2 lines get the heavy minutes, handle the rough stuff, take the bruises, maybe jam in an extra clinching goal, etc. while the stars rest up for the next battle in the wars.
 
I really think Keefe is doing this to mix things up. One knock on the Leafs top guys is that although skilled they can get predictable.. trying to do the same thing over and over which becomes easier to counter in a playoff series.

Much like Nurse did with the Raptors he's exposing the players to different situations and forcing them to adapt so that when the time comes (they have to mix things up, or someone gets injured) they are used to playing with different combinations.

Also allows for different types of creativity to develop. The knock is you lose some of the chemistry but it might be good to have this experience of having to play outside your comfort zone because you will be faced with that in the playoffs. I do suspect things will get locked down a bit closer to the playoffs.
 
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MSteve said:
I really think Keefe is doing this to mix things up. One knock on the Leafs top guys is that although skilled they can get predictable.. trying to do the same thing over and over which becomes easier to counter in a playoff series.

Much like Nurse did with the Raptors he's exposing the players to different situations and forcing them to adapt so that when the time comes (they have to mix things up, or someone gets injured) they are used to playing with different combinations.

Also allows for different types of creativity to develop. The knock is you lose some of the chemistry but it might be good to have this experience of having to play outside your comfort zone because you will be faced with that in the playoffs. I do suspect things will get locked down a bit closer to the playoffs.
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Arzak said:
This season we are all in, yet we are trying to find "our game" like it's still pre-season.


The Keefe experiment should end a long time ago.


Unless this was a stress test, to see if we can win 16 games playing Marner and Matthews for 27 min a game. Again something you should know by now. You need a team to win it, playing two players half of the game, is not it.
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Burn your players out for the playoffs.
Also I don't think the results are that good.
 
MSteve said:
I really think Keefe is doing this to mix things up. One knock on the Leafs top guys is that although skilled they can get predictable.. trying to do the same thing over and over which becomes easier to counter in a playoff series.

Much like Nurse did with the Raptors he's exposing the players to different situations and forcing them to adapt so that when the time comes (they have to mix things up, or someone gets injured) they are used to playing with different combinations.

Also allows for different types of creativity to develop. The knock is you lose some of the chemistry but it might be good to have this experience of having to play outside your comfort zone because you will be faced with that in the playoffs. I do suspect things will get locked down a bit closer to the playoffs.
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A 2011 account with 160 posts screams "sock puppet" really really loud.
 
justashadowof said:
Scrap the 7 defensemen, just rest the vets some more. There's no reason for Giordano and Brodie to play every game to the end of the season with our 1st round match up already set.
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This is the way. You have bodies that can rotate in and out for rest and for different opponents and play styles.
 
Jarnkrok - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Lafferty - O'Rielly - Acciari
Kerfoot - Kampf - AstonReese
 
If we end up sticking with 11-7, I think the forward that should be out based on what we’re seeing so far is Kerfoot:

Jankrok-Matty-Mitch
JT-O’Reily-Willy
ZAR-Kampf-Achari
Bunting-Lafferty

I also think Mitch and Willy could switch spots creating a nightmare for Tampa with Marner and Matthews driving their own lines.
 
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